Real Madrid become first team to retain the CL
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I don't think they're as good as Pep's Barcelona.
2008/2009:
La Liga
Copa del Rey
Champions League
2009/2010:
Supercopa
Super Cup
Club World Cup
La Liga
Champions League semi-finalists
2010/2011:
Supercopa
La Liga
Champions League
2011/2012:
Supercopa
Super Cup
Club World Cup
Copa del Rey
Champions League semi-finalists
Zidane's off to an unbelievable start, though. Should they win La Liga next season, they will be in the same category. Real are more of a cup side than a dominant force.
Under Zidane, they are finally showing some consistency. All the great sides usually win their own league to go with their European triumphs. Winning The Champions League is the pinnacle of this sport. But winning both it and your domestic league is the benchmark.
2008/2009:
La Liga
Copa del Rey
Champions League
2009/2010:
Supercopa
Super Cup
Club World Cup
La Liga
Champions League semi-finalists
2010/2011:
Supercopa
La Liga
Champions League
2011/2012:
Supercopa
Super Cup
Club World Cup
Copa del Rey
Champions League semi-finalists
Zidane's off to an unbelievable start, though. Should they win La Liga next season, they will be in the same category. Real are more of a cup side than a dominant force.
Under Zidane, they are finally showing some consistency. All the great sides usually win their own league to go with their European triumphs. Winning The Champions League is the pinnacle of this sport. But winning both it and your domestic league is the benchmark.
Not winning your league in the same season devalues a CL title a lot, imo. You don't need to be the best team consistently to win a cup, but certainly in the league. That said, it might be Real's most deserved CL title in a long time.
Only they shouldn't have gone past the QF, of course.
Only they shouldn't have gone past the QF, of course.
Can't stand the cnuts and their win yesterday annoyed me greatly, but they're definitely the biggest club in the world.
It's depressing how far behind we are in terms of European Cups. Feck sakes.
It's depressing how far behind we are in terms of European Cups. Feck sakes.
La decimotercera doesn't have a nice ring to it. I can see it being a few years before they win another one
They take this being a big club thing seriously. They are not about these other clubs with these ideals( i.e youth policies and so on) they are about winning. winning while playing positive football. They've fired title winning coaches for playing negatively. They don't accept mediocrity, no such thing as second chances. You can just see the vast difference between us and them in terms of reacting to the 09 season. Both our clubs lost to a hell of a barca outfit, they aggressively chased that teams level while we went on a search for 'value' and believed we were 2 players away from barca level.
Great post.
In that case every Bayern's CL victorie can only be devalued considering there is no competition in the league.
As for the white text, you were awarded a penalty for imaginary hand ball in Munich. Vidal wasn't sent (wasn't even a foul) at the beginning of second half in Madrid when he purposely elbowed Kroos in the face. Oh and you scored from offside to make it into extra time. The refs gave you all the help you could get in those two games and you bottled it. You never had the chance.
Making yourself believe in fairy tales won' help you get better next season, it will only bring more disappointment when you go out in semi-finals again.
I won't lie, I'm loving your bitter tears.
Yeah, he must be great fun in real life.
That is ridiculous, so proud of this team.
Cheers, man.
Next season should be interesting again. I'm curious to see who we both bring in this summer. Hopefully for you guys Valverde brings in some better players than his predecessors did.
Was at the game yesterday - very impressed with the Madrid fans along with the team. It felt a lot like the 11-12 final - an ageing Buffon/VdS struggling to reach a long range goal, a Juve/United team playing at a very high level but totally outclassed by the outstanding team of the last few years.
They should call it, "Trece". But only because the English will hear it as, "The Real Madrid players are chasing Tracy this year."
It always confuses me when people say things like this. Club sizes are measured by amounts of members. Or in terms of football, number of fans.
Manchester United are the biggest club in the world.
Even Newcastle United are a big club.
Not sure if serious
There isn't one specific criteria that makes you the biggest club in the world imo. It's a combination of things: everything from trophies won to global fanbase to prestige and the ability to attract the best players.
United might have more fans than Madrid (although I wouldn't bet on it), but Madrid have so many more trophies and they are so prestigious that it's hard to argue that they are anything but the biggest club in the world.
United might have more fans than Madrid (although I wouldn't bet on it), but Madrid have so many more trophies and they are so prestigious that it's hard to argue that they are anything but the biggest club in the world.
This isn't the local laughter club we're talking about where number of members = size. Number of fans is just 1 parameter when it comes to being the biggest club in the world.
You can see it in their recruitment, they can attract the best at all times and they know it. Even Barça's recruitment in comparison looks a bit more like they're trying to find the hidden gems - other than Neymar and Suarez there's been very little of note recently.
I don't find it particularly close to be fair. Real is on a level on their own, the others are far behind them, and United definitely isn't the club who leads that chase.
Pep's Barcelona just tried so hard. Incredible team work and effort to make it effective. One of the best teams ever no question.
But this Madrid is easier on the eye for me. Modric and Kroos play like they are in socks, oozing class all over and with creative freedom. Then they have the two best fullbacks in the world and of course, the serial killer upfront.
Effortless and class. White suits them best.
But this Madrid is easier on the eye for me. Modric and Kroos play like they are in socks, oozing class all over and with creative freedom. Then they have the two best fullbacks in the world and of course, the serial killer upfront.
Effortless and class. White suits them best.
i don't think that Guardiola's Barcelona were better. Barca kept the ball a lot, was overall quite defensive, IMO. Barca back in the day against this Real side would be a match made in heaven. My money would be on Real. 
Huge assist goes to little brother Atletico for Real winning 3 out of 4
Beat them in the Semi-Finals this year
The finals last year
The finals two years ago
In fact the 1 year Real didn't make to the finals in the last 4 they still made it to the Semi-Final by beating Atletico in the Quarter-Finals
Beat them in the Semi-Finals this year
The finals last year
The finals two years ago
In fact the 1 year Real didn't make to the finals in the last 4 they still made it to the Semi-Final by beating Atletico in the Quarter-Finals
Club size is entirely dependent on amount of fans. United have the most fans, the most revenue. United are the biggest club in the world.
I'm not a fan boy, i don't even support them. But club size is club size.
Are Monaco a 'big club' because they win stuff but have no fans ? Nope.
United were MASSIVE globally when they got relegated. In your definition of a big club they must have been tiny ?
What you mean is 'successful' or 'generate revenue' or 'bought a league', not 'big'.
No official noodles or tractor sponsors though
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2017/06/04/champions/1496592469_575884.html , here the celebration. Now to Cibeles and the city council and later party at Bernabéu
Is Ronaldo standing on his toes again?
They surely have to be considered better than the great barcelona side, they've won more. People said they had an easy run to the final last year, which maybe they did, but this year they beat Napoli, Munich, Atletico and Juve in the knock out games nothing easy about that.
In every year from 2006 till today they had some really dodgy decisions from the referees going in favor to them. Against Milan in 06, Chelsea 09, Arsenal 11 etc. Their players are constantly trying to cheat, and you can see their small team mentality even in their fans here when they argue in this forum which team is more favored by the refs etc. That's why I consider them to have small team mentality. I still remember Pedro playing acting in the semi finals vs Real in the last minute, and you could see it yesterday with the Real players trying to cheat even when the score is 4-1. Do you remember Pepe last year in the final? When a team is doing it every single year no matter the context is down to their mentality.
Of course in the end no one will remember how Real reached the final this year, so probably is a bit pointless to say more about this topic :P
How odd. His insecurities have probably helped him in becoming one of the best ever though. Fair play to Madrid/Cadbury's Chocolate bars. On another level to everyone else.
How do you figure that? They just won the league for the first time in 5 years, and suddenly they have won more than 2009-11 Barca.
Top spot.
I'm watching the celebration stream on YouTube. Madrid sure know how to throw a party!
Him trying to score off a bicycle kick almost immediately after Mandzukic's goal was classic.
Fair play to Madrid/Cadbury's Chocolate bars. On another level to everyone else.
They haven't one more.
Real 2013-17: 1x La Liga, 3x Champions League, 1x Copa Del Rey, 2x Club World Cup, 2x UEFA Super Cup, 0x Supercopa de Espana. Total: 4 major + 5 minor = 9 cups.
Barca 2008-12: 3x La Liga, 2x Champions League, 2x Copa Del Rey, 2x Club World Cup, 2x UEFA Super Cup, 3x Supercopa de Espana: Total: 5 major + 9 minor = 14 cups.
Easily the best Real team since the '50s. The first time they have done the league and CL double since then speaks volumes for this team. It's difficult to evaluate them against other teams as whereas 3 CLs in 4 years is something nobody else achieved but on the other hand 1 title in 5 years is really poor if you want to be in the discussion for the very best teams. All in all I think that behind Pep's Barcelona, they are as good as anyone we have seen this century.
Pep's Barcelona changed a whole generation of teams. People still now refer to them as the reference and probably will for a very long time. Never in the history of the game did big games between two equally big clubs look as one sided as they did in that 2009-2011. And we're not even talking about the trophy count here which also trumps basically everyone. This century at least, you have that team standing alone at the top followed by a bunch of teams who are more "normal" top teams which includes us 2008, Bayern 2013 and Real 2017.i don't think that Guardiola's Barcelona were better. Barca kept the ball a lot, was overall quite defensive, IMO. Barca back in the day against this Real side would be a match made in heaven. My money would be on Real.
Not as good as 2013 Bayern let alone Pep's Barca sides.
It's like everybody just forgot that this is a team that just won their first league title in 5 years. If the CL is all that matters, I am curious how highly Liverpool's 2005 is rated around here.
Firstly I hate Real Madrid but they deserved last night. They have winner's scattered throughout there team. A winning mentality can't be bought, it's something that grows over years of success and challenging. I personally think Pep's Barca team that beat us would take down this side, credit where it's due though. Real beat arguably the best sides to win this European cup, history and facts don't lie. It's so difficult to retain this trophy, it's not like an FA cup. It's the elite of Europe over a season. I think Ronaldo is on a different level to the rest though. You combine this with the craft of Ramos and quality of kroos and Modric and you have a great team. They preform in the big games and moments, when it really counts. I think Juve didn't give a great account of themselves too, they conceded more in that final that they probably did in the competition. They played too negative and Real sensed blood in that second half, ruthless stuff. You don't have to like it but you have to appluade a side with an edge like that. Ronaldo is the man for the biggest occasion. I think we are witnessing the greatest of all time, this is my opinion.