Real Madrid v Liverpool build up

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Screw Ronaldo, hope its a Liverpool Own Goal. Real Madrid are parasites and deserve to win in the worst way possible
Hahaha you know that Madrid only wants to win the final, and can't care less of how they win it right?

All of you saying you hate Madrid will do well to remember they were one of the first teams after the Munich air disaster to offer their support. They even tried to loan us Di Stefano (AKA the best striker in the world at the time) to help with the rebuild but the FA blocked it.

They made memorial pennants which they sold in Madrid and gave the profits to us, offered the injured and recovering players to use their state of the art facilities to get fit again (at no cost) and set up a series of fund raising friendlies which Madrid usually charged £12,000 for at the time but told us "pay what you can".

On top of all that, they put on a fund raising banquet for the bereaved families.

It's pathetic for anyone saying they 'hate' Madrid because they're successful or because we sold them Ronaldo, or for any other reason for that matter. If every fibre of your being isn't screaming for them to win this game and Liverpool to lose, you should seriously consider which football team you should support next season because this forum doesn't need you and United definitely don't.
Excellent post!

Liverpool offered help too so what now? And bolded part is ridiculous. Forum does not need me because i will not support some other club? I should consider will i support my life- long club because i will not support some club who plays against another club?This topic is becoming toxic. In general, who cares who would fecking win champ league if we are not one of those clubs?
I see your other posts. What are you trying to be? Some grand inquisitor who investigates who is 100% united fan by your standards? How dare you question my or some other poster loyalty to this club based on one game in which united didn't involved?
Because this is Liverpool who is involved? The biggest rivals of United, and as a United fan it is ridiculous to say you support them. Can't be a United fan and support Liverpool, nosense.

Real Madrid, please win. Just please Real. I will not be able to handle seeing the scouse cnuts lift up the CL trophy, especially that henderson rat.

For this game, Marcelo will be the most crucial guy on the pitch in my opinion. Yes, more crucial than the Ronaldo vs lovren battle as it is very clear who will win that one (not the croatian lump I’m sure you would know). This is because salah is such a good player (hate admitting that) and Marcelo is also a brilliant left back, both in an attacking and defensive sense who is probably the most capable player in the world apart from Ashley Young in handling salah. Adding on to that, his touch is literally perfect all the time as well, so it is impossible for salah to use his pace to nick it of Marcelo after a poor touch.

Also, Ramos better not have one of his crappy matches and Ronaldo better win Madrid the game to cement himself as a United **** hero and legend once and for all (already is to me but some inexplicably dislike him, including a couple of my mates). Come on Ronnie!

Prediction: Real 3-1 livershite (Ronaldo X2, Casemiro, milner pen)

COME ON REAL!
I'm with you on that, Marcelo is the most important player on the final, and yes, he can be excellent defensively.

The problem is that this season it looks as if he doesn't care to track back and actually defend. He isn't defending anything this season, and he has to if Madrid wants to win this game!

Not as big as 2005 though surely? We had a worse squad and were up against an incredible Milan side.

This Madrid side has clearer weaknesses than they did and we didn’t have a player as good as Salah back then.
This Madrid side is so much better than that Milan side that it isn't even debatable. 4 UCL finals in 5 seasons and in track to winning 3 in a row, is something that Milan side could only dream of.

This Madrid side hasn't been very consistent this season, that is true, but when playing at their best they can destroy any team in the world. Still, it is a final and anything can happen.

About Liverpool, the only thing the actual team has better than the one of 2005 are the front 3, besides that I think that Liverpool team was much better overall.

This year they have Salah, in that time they had in Gerard probably their best player in history alongside with Xabi Alonso on midfield.
 

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Hahaha you know that Madrid only wants to win the final, and can't care less of how they win it right?



Excellent post!



Because this is Liverpool who is involved? The biggest rivals of United, and as a United fan it is ridiculous to say you support them. Can't be a United fan and support Liverpool, nosense.



I'm with you on that, Marcelo is the most important player on the final, and yes, he can be excellent defensively.

The problem is that this season it looks as if he doesn't care to track back and actually defend. He isn't defending anything this season, and he has to if Madrid wants to win this game!



This Madrid side is so much better than that Milan side that it isn't even debatable. 4 UCL finals in 5 seasons and in track to winning 3 in a row, is something that Milan side could only dream of.

This Madrid side hasn't been very consistent this season, that is true, but when playing at their best they can destroy any team in the world. Still, it is a final and anything can happen.

About Liverpool, the only thing the actual team has better than the one of 2005 are the front 3, besides that I think that Liverpool team was much better overall.

This year they have Salah, in that time they had in Gerard probably their best player in history alongside with Xabi Alonso on midfield.

You have to compare who they are facing with as well (also, the blatant referring decisions that go a team's way)

This was AC Milan 2005.

Dida

Cafu Nesta Stam Maldini
Pirlo Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
Shevchenko Crespo

Do you really think that your Real Madrid side is better than that? I don't think so.

Also, it's Gerrard not Gerard and he is definitely not their best player in history. Almost all Liverpool fans would tell you it was Dalglish.
 

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A world class front 3 can propel a side much further than a world class midfield.
 

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A world class front 3 can propel a side much further than a world class midfield.
Preach

Also, judging from that UEFA website tweet, we're gonna get Cakir'd, aren't we? :(

Flo better call Ceferin and set things straight :devil:

:D
 

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Mbappé Neymar and Cavani are way better than Salah Firmino and Mané and they did nothing against us , stop worrying we will crush the scousers.
 

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This will be a comfortable win for us. 5-2.

I've been saying it on reddit since drawing PSG back in december, whenever we are out of contention for La Liga early on we end up winning the Champions League.

Over the past 20 years we have finished outside of La Liga's Top 2 Five times :

1998 : 4th in La Liga | UCL Winners
2000 : 5th in La Liga | UCL Winners
2002 : 3rd in La Liga | UCL Winners
2004 : 3rd in La Liga | UCL Quarter-Finals
2014 : 3rd in La Liga | UCL Winners
*2018 : 3rd in La Liga | UCL Winners
 

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You have to compare who they are facing with as well (also, the blatant referring decisions that go a team's way)

This was AC Milan 2005.

Dida

Cafu Nesta Stam Maldini
Pirlo Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
Shevchenko Crespo

Do you really think that your Real Madrid side is better than that? I don't think so.

Also, it's Gerrard not Gerard and he is definitely not their best player in history. Almost all Liverpool fans would tell you it was Dalglish.
That side looks better on paper than it actually was, players like Cafu, Stam and Maldini were way past their best. Maldini at that age, though decent, wasn't even close to Marcelo.

Other than Nesta I'd take the current back four of Madrid.
MFs are arguable, though Madrid have much better depth, and are more balanced.
CF/SS is probably the only case that Milan was better (other than GK), then again you can never underestimate Cristiano, who on his day he might be better than that forward line combined.
 

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Preach

Also, judging from that UEFA website tweet, we're gonna get Cakir'd, aren't we? :(

Flo better call Ceferin and set things straight :devil:

:D
There's a royal wedding, we've won all our CLs in red with the other team in white, Madrid's last EC final loss was against Liverpool... etc etc
 

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Gerrard and Xabi Alonso? (different positions but still)
Alonso was on the verge of developing. Top player but he wasn't quite just "Xabi Alonso" yet although he had some incredible games that season (think he was only 22 that season?).
Gerrard was of course already more developed but still not the Gerrard of 2006 onwards who was a much more complete player.

Rafa was also figuring out how to accommodate them both (i.e. maybe don't play them in a midfield 2, especially against top opposition?). Gattusso, Pirlo and Kaka ran rings around us.

That AC Milan team was certainly better than this Real Madrid team I reckon (I mean this season's team - not the team that has won 4 out of 5) although, as with any team, they had their weaknesses.

In many ways, it mirrored this team - didn't win their own domestic league as much, were top dogs in Europe.
 

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In 1981 there was a royal wedding, in 1981 there was a team from England, Spain, Germany and Italy in the semi finals of the European Cup, In 1981 Liverpool played Real Madrid in the final, in 1981 Liverpool won the European Cup. Oh and 81 is 18 backwards :)
 

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That side looks better on paper than it actually was, players like Cafu, Stam and Maldini were way past their best. Maldini at that age, though decent, wasn't even close to Marcelo.

Other than Nesta I'd take the current back four of Madrid.
MFs are arguable, though Madrid have much better depth, and are more balanced.
CF/SS is probably the only case that Milan was better (other than GK), then again you can never underestimate Cristiano, who on his day he might be better than that forward line combined.
Ridiculous. They weren't past their best. These guys went on to win the Champions League 2 years later against Liverpool.

That AC Milan team is better than the current Real Madrid team in almost every department (Defense, Midfield, Strikers). That is one of the most well rounded teams in the competitions history.

Looking back on it, it is simply amazing how a team with Traore, Baros, Smicer, Josemi, Kewell, Cisse, Le Tallec beat that AC Milan team. Anything can happen.
 

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Ridiculous. They weren't past their best. These guys went on to win the Champions League 2 years later against Liverpool.

That AC Milan team is better than the current Real Madrid team in almost every department (Defense, Midfield, Strikers). That is one of the most well rounded teams in the competitions history.

Looking back on it, it is simply amazing how a team with Traore, Baros, Smicer, Josemi, Kewell, Cisse, Le Tallec beat that AC Milan team. Anything can happen.
What!? This Real side is much better than that Milan.
 

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My cousin who's an ardent liverpool fan wanted Real and not Roma in the semi final. Because Real's defense is their weakness apparently and hence would not be able to handle mane salah and firmino.
 

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This Madrid side is so much better than that Milan side that it isn't even debatable. 4 UCL finals in 5 seasons and in track to winning 3 in a row, is something that Milan side could only dream of.

This Madrid side hasn't been very consistent this season, that is true, but when playing at their best they can destroy any team in the world. Still, it is a final and anything can happen.

About Liverpool, the only thing the actual team has better than the one of 2005 are the front 3, besides that I think that Liverpool team was much better overall.

This year they have Salah, in that time they had in Gerard probably their best player in history alongside with Xabi Alonso on midfield.
It is debatable because a lot of Real's players are now past their peak, which in turn would explain their inconsistency & poor showing in both semi final matches, along with the 1-3 home defeat to Juventus in the quarter finals. Yes, on their day they could turn anyone over. However, they need the players who've been responsible for their amazing success in the CL to perform at somewhere near their very best to achieve this. You only have to look at the current odds for the outright winner of this season's Champions League to see the uncertainty regarding the outcome. If you compared teams player for player based on their names & achievements then it would read as a non-contest & Madrid would be red-hot favourites, but they're actually not. Betfair currently has them @ 1.76 (8/11) to lift the trophy, whereas Liverpool are 2.3 (11/5). So in their prime you'd have an argument saying they were better than the Milan side of 2005. But seeing as footballers are generally thought to reach their peak at age 27, then you have one side (Madrid) with quite a few players past that age, & the other side (Liverpool) with quite a few approaching their peak. So I personally see this final as something as a 'rock. scissors, stone' scenario. Will Real's experience, know-how, & superior talent be the scissors that cut through Liverpool's paper. Or will Liverpool's energy, hunger, & desire be the paper that wraps up RM's stone.
 

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My cousin who's an ardent liverpool fan wanted Real and not Roma in the semi final. Because Real's defense is their weakness apparently and hence would not be able to handle mane salah and firmino.
Certain posters would have you believe that Real's defence, whilst clearly not their strongest asset, are somehow made up of Sunday league footballers robbing a living. They lied. Ramos, Marcelo, Varane, Carvajal are all top quality defenders that would walk in to most teams on the planet. So no, Real are not 'weak' at the back, they simply sacrifice defensive solidity in favour of an attacking approach. Real have done this for as long as I can remember, it would appear to be in their DNA and is unlikely to change soon.

Liverpool under Klopp play in a similar fashion, except their defence truly is weak (the absolute definition of the word in fact). They are laughably weaker in literally every aspect in comparison to Real man for man. Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema, if they perform at their best, will tear them apart. The only way Liverpool are winning this game is if their entire first 11 perform above their average standard and Real perform below theirs. Short of a miracle, Real will win this comfortably. I'm going for 4 - 1 myself.
 

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You have to compare who they are facing with as well (also, the blatant referring decisions that go a team's way)

This was AC Milan 2005.

Dida

Cafu Nesta Stam Maldini
Pirlo Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
Shevchenko Crespo

Do you really think that your Real Madrid side is better than that? I don't think so.

Also, it's Gerrard not Gerard and he is definitely not their best player in history. Almost all Liverpool fans would tell you it was Dalglish.
Cafu 35, Nesta 30, Stam 35, Maldini 37, Seedorf 30, Crespo 30, Shevchenko almost 30.

Almost all that team were very past their prime, and their defense while being legendary players, they were a bunch of old men.

Between 1999 and 2010, they only won 2 UCLs one Serie A (and they clearly didn't had a team to beat that was even near to Messi's Barcelona, the other winners in that years were Lazio Roma, Juve and Inter), so yes bro, they had good names in paper, but they weren't comaprable to this Madrid side.

About Gerrard and Dalglish, sorry but you are talking crap.

While its true they can obviously be compared, to say almost EVERY Liverpool fan prefers Dalglish is beyond ridiculous. Its very easy to google 'Liverpool's best player in history' and you'll find out almost all the rankings have Gerard in 1st and Daglish in 2nd.

But being realistic, it doesn't matter who is 1st and 2nd (it is very subjetive), we know both of them are the two best players in Liverpool's history while Salah isn't even in the Top Ten. In a few years maybe, but today after less than one season, he's not even close.

It is debatable because a lot of Real's players are now past their peak, which in turn would explain their inconsistency & poor showing in both semi final matches, along with the 1-3 home defeat to Juventus in the quarter finals. Yes, on their day they could turn anyone over. However, they need the players who've been responsible for their amazing success in the CL to perform at somewhere near their very best to achieve this. You only have to look at the current odds for the outright winner of this season's Champions League to see the uncertainty regarding the outcome. If you compared teams player for player based on their names & achievements then it would read as a non-contest & Madrid would be red-hot favourites, but they're actually not. Betfair currently has them @ 1.76 (8/11) to lift the trophy, whereas Liverpool are 2.3 (11/5). So in their prime you'd have an argument saying they were better than the Milan side of 2005. But seeing as footballers are generally thought to reach their peak at age 27, then you have one side (Madrid) with quite a few players past that age, & the other side (Liverpool) with quite a few approaching their peak. So I personally see this final as something as a 'rock. scissors, stone' scenario. Will Real's experience, know-how, & superior talent be the scissors that cut through Liverpool's paper. Or will Liverpool's energy, hunger, & desire be the paper that wraps up RM's stone.
Its not bro, in Milan they had Cafu, Nesta, Stam, Maldini, Seedorf, Shevchenko and Crespo past their peak, and with no depth at all in the bench woth players like Thomason, Ambrosini, Pancaro, Serginho, Dorasoo, Brocci, etc... and with Madrid, their only starters that are past their peak are Ronaldo (and its hard to say when he still managed to score more goals than games played this season) and Benzema, that this year he only starts half of the games.

The depth in Madrid's bench with Isco, Asensio, Lucas Vazquez, Bale, Kovacic, Ceballos, Nacho and Theo is something else. And if you take into account that the last seasons they won the UCL they also had in the bench players like Pepe, James Rodriguez and Morata, its just unreal!

With that bench you could easily make a team that would be between the favourites to win the UCL every year. Its easily the best depth I've seen in my life, and I'm pretty sure its applies to literally every person in the world.

All the others are in their peak or just before their peak bro, more than half of the players in the team are 25 and younger.

They have been inconsistent this season because they won everything last year and its hard to motivate them every week after that.

Barca won Liga and UCL in 2015, and in 2016 they won almost nothing. It happens a lot to the teams that won everything a season before. And of course, when you are inconsistent, you fail to win some easy games, that makes your confidence lower.

They were finding momentum between February and April, they won both games vs PSG, they destroyed Juve in Turin, and then again, they got too confident, thought the deal was done and Juve took them back to earth.

The problem is that, when you are having ups and downs all the season, and you lose a game like that, in your stadium, when you thought you were the indisputed best team of all, makes you doubt again. Since that game vs Juve Madrid has been playing bad again, in both liga and UCL.

Still they managed to win the first game in Munich and to tie the second one in Madrid vs and incredibly consistent and strong Bayern side.

I personally think this weekend's Clasico is vital for Madrid. Barca has already won La Liga, but the boost of confidence and motovation they can get if they win that game could be crucial for them to win the final vs Liverpool.

Let's wait and see!
 

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I get the feeling people on here are convinced we're still the same team as last season and we just haven't performed at anywhere near that level at any point because, reasons.... when the most likely reason is that we're simply not capable of it

This final depends more on how liverpool will perform than on how we will, because if they can play at bayern's pace for 90 minutes, either they win, or they beat themselves. We aren't beating that
 

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It is debatable because a lot of Real's players are now past their peak, which in turn would explain their inconsistency & poor showing in both semi final matches, along with the 1-3 home defeat to Juventus in the quarter finals. Yes, on their day they could turn anyone over. However, they need the players who've been responsible for their amazing success in the CL to perform at somewhere near their very best to achieve this. You only have to look at the current odds for the outright winner of this season's Champions League to see the uncertainty regarding the outcome. If you compared teams player for player based on their names & achievements then it would read as a non-contest & Madrid would be red-hot favourites, but they're actually not. Betfair currently has them @ 1.76 (8/11) to lift the trophy, whereas Liverpool are 2.3 (11/5). So in their prime you'd have an argument saying they were better than the Milan side of 2005. But seeing as footballers are generally thought to reach their peak at age 27, then you have one side (Madrid) with quite a few players past that age, & the other side (Liverpool) with quite a few approaching their peak. So I personally see this final as something as a 'rock. scissors, stone' scenario. Will Real's experience, know-how, & superior talent be the scissors that cut through Liverpool's paper. Or will Liverpool's energy, hunger, & desire be the paper that wraps up RM's stone.
That scenario doesn’t really seem fair..
 

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I get the feeling people on here are convinced we're still the same team as last season and we just haven't performed at anywhere near that level at any point because, reasons.... when the most likely reason is that we're simply not capable of it

This final depends more on how liverpool will perform than on how we will, because if they can play at bayern's pace for 90 minutes, either they win, or they beat themselves. We aren't beating that
Not buying that.

I understand you do not wish to appear over-confident given the nature of cup finals and how they tend to throw up the odd surprise, but should both sets of players perform to the levels expected of them, the only likely winner is Real Madrid. By a country mile.
 

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Mbappé Neymar and Cavani are way better than Salah Firmino and Mané and they did nothing against us, stop worrying we will crush the scousers.
Only on paper, the Liverpool attack has a much better chemistry.
 
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Cafu 35, Nesta 30, Stam 35, Maldini 37, Seedorf 30, Crespo 30, Shevchenko almost 30.

Almost all that team were very past their prime, and their defense while being legendary players, they were a bunch of old men.

Between 1999 and 2010, they only won 2 UCLs one Serie A (and they clearly didn't had a team to beat that was even near to Messi's Barcelona, the other winners in that years were Lazio Roma, Juve and Inter), so yes bro, they had good names in paper, but they weren't comaprable to this Madrid side.

About Gerrard and Dalglish, sorry but you are talking crap.

While its true they can obviously be compared, to say almost EVERY Liverpool fan prefers Dalglish is beyond ridiculous. Its very easy to google 'Liverpool's best player in history' and you'll find out almost all the rankings have Gerard in 1st and Daglish in 2nd.

But being realistic, it doesn't matter who is 1st and 2nd (it is very subjetive), we know both of them are the two best players in Liverpool's history while Salah isn't even in the Top Ten. In a few years maybe, but today after less than one season, he's not even close.

Its not bro, in Milan they had Cafu, Nesta, Stam, Maldini, Seedorf, Shevchenko and Crespo past their peak, and with no depth at all in the bench woth players like Thomason, Ambrosini, Pancaro, Serginho, Dorasoo, Brocci, etc... and with Madrid, their only starters that are past their peak are Ronaldo (and its hard to say when he still managed to score more goals than games played this season) and Benzema, that this year he only starts half of the games.

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All the others are in their peak or just before their peak bro, more than half of the players in the team are 25 and younger.
Oh dear. If 30 or almost 30 is past a player’s peak, 30+ year olds Cristiano Ronaldo, Sergio Ramos and Marcelo better not suffer heart attacks during the final. It’s also interesting that the 30 year old world class players of Milan, who went on to win the CL again in 2007, are considered past it because of their age whereas Ramos and Marcelo are not.

Milan also had very fine players like Rui Costa, Serginho, Ambrosini and Costacurta on the bench. Not to mention Filippo Inzaghi in the stands. Three of those played a central role in Milan’s 2007 win, despite/because of their age. Real has a great bench now, but you cannot include Ceballos, Nacho, Vasquez and genuinely past it Bale on a list of superb substitutes, yet completely disregard Milan’s equivalents who went on to win a CL final.
 
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Its not bro, in Milan they had Cafu, Nesta, Stam, Maldini, Seedorf, Shevchenko and Crespo past their peak, and with no depth at all in the bench woth players like Thomason, Ambrosini, Pancaro, Serginho, Dorasoo, Brocci, etc... and with Madrid, their only starters that are past their peak are Ronaldo (and its hard to say when he still managed to score more goals than games played this season) and Benzema, that this year he only starts half of the games.
Well, a "past-it" Benzema creates nearly as much assists + pre-assists per 90 in LaLiga as prime Messi this season...

Top 20 LaLiga players with the biggest participation in creating goals by assists + pre-assists per 90.

Benzema's goalscoring output may be poor, but is still a phenomenal player nonetheless and has been influential in many of RM's goals this season.
 

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Barca won Liga and UCL in 2015, and in 2016 they won almost nothing.
Yeah, they only won a domestic double.

Football is essentially a flukey and volatile game. The nature of a knockout competition amplifies it even more.

So when you have someone with not much knowledge of the game, and the phenomenon of an overhyped knockout competition, the results are posts like this.
 

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I get the feeling people on here are convinced we're still the same team as last season and we just haven't performed at anywhere near that level at any point because, reasons.... when the most likely reason is that we're simply not capable of it

This final depends more on how liverpool will perform than on how we will, because if they can play at bayern's pace for 90 minutes, either they win, or they beat themselves. We aren't beating that
I have seen some parts of the Barcelona-Real Madrid, and Juventus-Real Madrid games in 2016 and 2017 (they are in youtube), and it's unreal how good those Madrid sides were, especially in the second halves. I have not seen a single performance that was close to those this season.
 

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My brain: Liverpool, Real Madrid win 3 in a row isn't good for the Champions league. UEFA won't let this happen.
 

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I get the feeling people on here are convinced we're still the same team as last season and we just haven't performed at anywhere near that level at any point because, reasons.... when the most likely reason is that we're simply not capable of it

This final depends more on how liverpool will perform than on how we will, because if they can play at bayern's pace for 90 minutes, either they win, or they beat themselves. We aren't beating that
Ronaldo holds the answers. Bayern kept him out of the game (helped in part by Benzema sitting on the bench in the first leg).

Liverpool’s defence is nowhere near as strong as Bayern’s, so if Ronaldo can be back to his PSG/Juve level then the game is done. Go 2-0 up in the second half and the game is done, Liverpool will collapse.
 

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In 1981 there was a royal wedding, in 1981 there was a team from England, Spain, Germany and Italy in the semi finals of the European Cup, In 1981 Liverpool played Real Madrid in the final, in 1981 Liverpool won the European Cup. Oh and 81 is 18 backwards :)
A lot of people got depressed after reading your post :lol:
 

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It is debatable because a lot of Real's players are now past their peak, which in turn would explain their inconsistency & poor showing in both semi final matches, along with the 1-3 home defeat to Juventus in the quarter finals. Yes, on their day they could turn anyone over. However, they need the players who've been responsible for their amazing success in the CL to perform at somewhere near their very best to achieve this. You only have to look at the current odds for the outright winner of this season's Champions League to see the uncertainty regarding the outcome. If you compared teams player for player based on their names & achievements then it would read as a non-contest & Madrid would be red-hot favourites, but they're actually not. Betfair currently has them @ 1.76 (8/11) to lift the trophy, whereas Liverpool are 2.3 (11/5). So in their prime you'd have an argument saying they were better than the Milan side of 2005. But seeing as footballers are generally thought to reach their peak at age 27, then you have one side (Madrid) with quite a few players past that age, & the other side (Liverpool) with quite a few approaching their peak. So I personally see this final as something as a 'rock. scissors, stone' scenario. Will Real's experience, know-how, & superior talent be the scissors that cut through Liverpool's paper. Or will Liverpool's energy, hunger, & desire be the paper that wraps up RM's stone.
Well it is obviously debatable because that's what we are doing.. That AC Milan side is a complete side, with world class players in every position. The same cannot be said for Real Madrid in my opinion.

Again, like I said, you have to take into account the types of draws as well as the obvious referee decisions that went for them as well as the level competition that they faced. If you want to take into account what they achieved then it's actually very very close between the players of that Milan side and the Real Madrid side. I think you are focussing on the Champions League alone.

Also Liverpool aren't approaching their peak. What? They have a lot of youngsters in their side. In any case, you are sidetracking. I was concentrating on the individual player comparison between Real Madrid of now and the AC Milan side of 2005 where some people said it was beyond obvious that Real Madrid side of now is much better. It isn't.

The AC Milan that beat Liverpool in 2007 and lost in 2005 was loaded with GOAT players. Seedorf, Nesta, Maldini, Cafu, Kaka, Pirlo, Shevchenko...I feel as though I'm talking to people that has just started watching football within the last decade.
 

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In 1981 there was a royal wedding, in 1981 there was a team from England, Spain, Germany and Italy in the semi finals of the European Cup, In 1981 Liverpool played Real Madrid in the final, in 1981 Liverpool won the European Cup. Oh and 81 is 18 backwards :)
In 1981 the competition was called the European Cup.

It's now called the Champions League and Real Madrid has won every single CL final they've been in.
 

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Mbappé Neymar and Cavani are way better than Salah Firmino and Mané and they did nothing against us , stop worrying we will crush the scousers.
Wouldn't youse be the first team since the great Ajax and Bayern sides from the 70's to win three on the bounce ?
 

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I can't help but feel Madrid will just have too much quality and composure for us. People keep questioning the Madrid defenders but I'd fancy Ramos and Varane to cope better with Salah than most other defenders. Kroos and Modric could potentially run the show and kill our pressing game. For some reason I'm more scared of Marcelo than any other Madrid player. Our biggest weakness is not having a midfielder who can just control the game and keep the ball when neccessary.
 

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I can't help but feel Madrid will just have too much quality and composure for us. People keep questioning the Madrid defenders but I'd fancy Ramos and Varane to cope better with Salah than most other defenders. Kroos and Modric could potentially run the show and kill our pressing game. For some reason I'm more scared of Marcelo than any other Madrid player. Our biggest weakness is not having a midfielder who can just control the game and keep the ball when neccessary.
Marcelo can turn the game in Real's favor but at same time he could be the weakest link, against Bayern he was caught a few times out of position but because Carvalhal wasn't playing they decided to press that side most of the game.
 

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It's a spiritual / religious practice so I say we gain something from it.
I doubt they'll fast on those days leading up to and including the final.
If my knowledge is correct . Muslims are allowed to make up any days they miss after right ? I'm pretty sure that would be the most viable option because I can't see how they'd perform at optimum level otherwise .
 

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I've changed my view on the match. I believed Madrid will toast them but right now it just feels they'll win it. Madrid ain't really special right now and Pool are in hot form. Only means one thing, the inevitable.
 
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