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I'm thinking of starting a record collection. Anyone own one of these?

Looking for some advice on which size are albums easily available. Also, which is the best player and can a single player play all sizes, etc, etc. basically I don't know anything about them so anything would be helpful.

Aim: To have that room full of records like Cusack in High Fidelity in the next 5 years.
 

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is this serious?

if so (reads like a pisstake to me)......albums are generally 12" same with 12" singles/EPs etc...theres 7" singles and EPs too..plus 10" albums/eps etc...yes a single player can play all sizes...im no tech head so cant say which system to go for.

if you want a collection like that in 5 years youll be spending a rake of cash...i hope youre loaded.
 

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Not bought any vinyl in a while and when I do, am now limited to a dodgy old belt drive turntable on a cheap old stack hifi that spends most of its time in a box in the storage room. Whether you should get involved with vinyl really depends how serious you are though mehro as it won't be a cheap or easy undertaking these days.

In terms of a deck they've got better over the years but can be a bugger to find as only specialist stores stock them (as well as accessories like cartridges) while some of the high end ones are bloody expensive. You can pick up reasonably good mid priced direct drive decks from the likes of Stanton or Technics which would serve you pretty well though while you'll also need a decent amp if your current system doesn't have a separate one.

Finding vinyl will be your next problem and will depend greatly on where you are based and what you listen to. Much of the new stuff (other than dance music) is is either not released on vinyl or gets a very limited release which unless you are in a large city or are up on your mail order music will be nigh on impossible to find, even the older stuff is seldom found outside of a few specialised shops and the second hand shops where you may find some old gems and bargains but may also pay through the nose for the "collectors" status of vinyl and may suffer from seriously variable quality replete with cracks, pops, hisses and jumps. I find it hard to listen to Primal Scream's "Higher Than The Sun" without the deep resonant pop that my double vinyl of Screamadelica gained when a blim jumped off my spliff while I was leaning over the decks at a party in France but that's part of my memory, I wouldn't fancy paying collectors prices for a lump of plastic with somebody elses carelessness etched into the sound.

If you get past the equipment and vinyl sourcing issues there's also the slight issue of portability to contend with, particularly if you're going for the John Cusack type collection. I've got over 3,000 LPs and 12"s and 500 or so 7"s and they are a bitch to move around, I only shipped 400 or so of the more essential stuff when I moved to Asia so I'm paying for storage on the rest (along with a few other bits we didn't need) but if you're planning on moving home or particularly country often then the weight and transport cost issue is worth considering.

Even storing vinyl can be a pain, too hot they can warp, too damp and the sleeves go mouldy and musty, I even suffered some flood damage to one box that was stored in the Unis basement nightclub where I DJed. Your shelving for a major collection will also need to be industrial strength, none of your PVC, plywood or formica CD racks from IKEA, you'll need 2" timber framed shelving either well braced or preferably bracketed into the walls for a major collection (factor this into the moving issue as well).

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't sell my vinyl for the world and still prefer the warmth of the analogue sound. If I ever get to retirment then the house will have a proper music room with deck setup and racking for my vinyl but at the moment all of that is a pipe dream leaving me with my mp3 player on the move and the steady slog of converting my vinyl to mp3 format when I get any free time at the weekends and fancy facing the wrath of a wife who believes sitting in the spare room cueing tracks individually is antisocial.
 

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Most turntables are good now.The reciever is the real issue.Last year I bought a Marantz circa 1977 model sr 2000 of Ebay for around $90 us. Vinyl records are making a big comeback around here anyway. I can just pop over to the Village -NYC and pick up just about any album in great condition.
 

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Most turntables are good now.The reciever is the real issue.Last year I bought a Marantz circa 1977 model sr 2000 of Ebay for around $90 us. Vinyl records are making a big comeback around here anyway. I can just pop over to the Village -NYC and pick up just about any album in great condition.
They are, the old belt drives with elastic bands that started slipping almost immediately and a bent paper clip in lieu of a stylus were consigned to the rubbish bin by the prematurely heralded death of vinyl which saw stereo systems miniaturized at the expense of the turntable. Most separate decks were always decent and that's all that is available now.

You can find vinyl more easily in places like NY or Manchester, even Bury had a decent record shop that hadn't slipped too far down the CD route. It was when I moved down to Tunbridge Wells though that I realised how hard it is to find with just one specialised vinyl shop and one semi decent second hand place. As for Singapore or Hong kong, I'd be looked at like an idiot asking for vinyl out here.
 

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They are, the old belt drives with elastic bands that started slipping almost immediately and a bent paper clip in lieu of a stylus were consigned to the rubbish bin by the prematurely heralded death of vinyl which saw stereo systems miniaturized at the expense of the turntable. Most separate decks were always decent and that's all that is available now.

You can find vinyl more easily in places like NY or Manchester, even Bury had a decent record shop that hadn't slipped too far down the CD route. It was when I moved down to Tunbridge Wells though that I realised how hard it is to find with just one specialised vinyl shop and one semi decent second hand place. As for Singapore or Hong kong, I'd be looked at like an idiot asking for vinyl out here.
I'm lucky in the record store finds.Especially around here.If I take a ride down to princton,I find the record exchange,which has more records than anything New York has to offer. I found a nice Dylan -Blonde on Blonde for around $8 -perfect condition.They have all the albums in plastic with new sleeves while saving the original sleeves and posters inside as well.Place just can't be beat.Check it out
 

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Thanks for the site, nj. I'll be in New Brunswick next week so might just start the collection now.
I got hooked on the place last year.It's like the holy grail of record stores.Don't miss going there,though you could spend hours browsing.
 

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I probably will. I'm one of those really sad window shoppers who'll spend a few hours thinking over buying anything before finally deciding against it.

I want to start with some Zeppelin and Velvet Underground.
 

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I probably will. I'm one of those really sad window shoppers who'll spend a few hours thinking over buying anything before finally deciding against it.

I want to start with some Zeppelin and Velvet Underground.
There you go.I got my "Rock and Roll Animal"-Lou Reed on the cheap there.I know for a fact the Banana Album is there.It's a rare old one too,little expensive -$20 -$30 . You'll get addicted. I was finding any excuse to work down there.Then again the town is filled with college women walking in and out of the shop.
 

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Is it close to the Princeton Junction station?
It's the town next to the University.1 block away. It's a nice ride by the college.If you watch the show-House -thats the location.Anyway,good luck.
 

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Youre lucky theres good record shops around you...over here in belfast we're down to 2 second hand record stores that I can think of and both of them are really average...have had the same stock in for years and only occasionally get other stuff in....the charity shops are pretty useless too just filled with shit classical albums or irish country music...and new vinyl is pretty expensive either from the major stores or online(inc delivery etc)...if the second hand scene over here was as good now as it was in the 80s(when i had no spare cash) i would have amassed a better collection, as it is ive about 1000 albums....as was said its pretty addictive...my missus can vouch for this as every holiday weve ever taken has at some point involved me traipsing off and spending a pile of cash on records.
 

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depends how old you want to buy records from

most wil be fine if you just haver the choices of 33/45 but some will need 78's

for a reliable performer that will go on forever, sound brilliant and look good you should go for a Technics deck, with a vestax coming a close second

costs a bit more but is seriously worth it

or if you want to have a luagh but kill your records you could get one of these

 

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I'm thinking of starting a record collection. Anyone own one of these?

Looking for some advice on which size are albums easily available. Also, which is the best player and can a single player play all sizes, etc, etc. basically I don't know anything about them so anything would be helpful.

Aim: To have that room full of records like Cusack in High Fidelity in the next 5 years.
Yes... I own Trio KA-60 (I think) and a JVC something or other.

I already have that room full of vinyl....on account of working in a record dept many years ago.

Vinyl is vastly superior to CD's in my opinion.

I absolutely LOVE collecting 7" singles and LP's but they do take up a lot of space...............
 

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Vinyl is vastly superior to CD's in my opinion.
In terms of frequency range and response they are, but they are also prone to degradation. With something like SACD the point is moot in any case, but it's even further mooted by the fact that the kids of today are taking us backwards from both with their love for MP3 and nobody giving a shit about SACD.
 

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yep....degradation is a problem ,I agree but with proper care and attention, you can keep them in pretty good condition,I've found.
 

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In terms of frequency range and response they are, but they are also prone to degradation. With something like SACD the point is moot in any case, but it's even further mooted by the fact that the kids of today are taking us backwards from both with their love for MP3.
What's wrong with MP3?
 

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In terms of frequency range and response they are, but they are also prone to degradation. With something like SACD the point is moot in any case, but it's even further mooted by the fact that the kids of today are taking us backwards from both with their love for MP3 and nobody giving a shit about SACD.
A lot of people still buy CDs.
 

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If you want it to be, yes.
If you don't want it to be, then no.
It's digital like a CD but it's compressed and most people run around listening to 128Kbps MP3s - you would be better off with a cassette deck.

MP3s are great for music on the move or to play through shitty sound equipment like in most cars for example. FFS, don't play them through a HiFi.
 

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Still got my old vinyls. Found the box of singles yesterday - all sorts of Madchester stuff like WFL and Northside