Also this must be the lowest amount of goals we have scored at this stage of the season in a very long time surely?
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In the league won 6, drew 3 and lost 4 in the lead up to his sacking, which happened to be in November
You have to break it down before laying new foundations
Thanks - so not exactly worse.. YET. Alarming though. Stackable form is hereIn the league won 6, drew 3 and lost 4 in the lead up to his sacking, which happened to be in November
I think it was Leicester who put 4 past us
It is bad compared to Rangnick. We only lost twice at home under Rangnick. We’ve lost five times already now. We only lost six times at home the whole of the Solskjaer-Rangnick season. New depths.
You're right, i blanked that one out and confused it with the Leeds game.
Ole lost 5 of opening 12 league games before his dismissal. He won 3 drew 1 and lost 1 of the CL group. Lost in first league cup game 0-1 to West Ham.
So he lost less, got us through the CL group (which ETH could still mathematically do of course) He had a 1.61 goals per game scored, 1.72 conceded whilst Erik has 1.33 for 1.73 against.
Ole P18 W8 D3 L7 F29 A31
EtH P15 W7 D0 L8 F20 A26
Both incredibly shit but Ole wasn’t as bad as now and overall actually he had a lot better loss ratio than ten Hag as did LvG and Jose.
Less than ideal.
Ten Hag will need to win his next 3 (and make a notable turn on a performance side of things) in order to stabilise sentiment and results. I'd say win more but I think there's an international break post Luton.
Imho we will lose the next two games.
That's fine. But lets see if it happens I guess. Might do, might not, I genuinely have no idea at this stage.
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Here’s one for you, this season Antony Martial is our most effective striker with a goal or assist every 183 minutes, or 1 in 2 matches played, Bruno 5 in 1106 minutes, Rashford 4 in 1031 minutes, Garnaucho 1 in 449 minutes, Mount 1 in 560 minutes, Pelistri 0 in 255 minutes and Antony 0 in 565 minutes.
ETH has basically coached the most ineffective attacking unit ever witnessed by united fans in the first 15 matches this season and lost 53% of the matches played.
Our only goal threats are Casemiero whose now injured and Scott Mctominay both listed on transfer market as CDM’s, and both have a better goal Involvement per minute than any of our attacking players.
Who’s actually micro managing these players, who’s setting them targets and trying to improve them game by game?
Benny McCarthy, do me a favour, this guy is just happy he’s got a job, yet again worst in class in every facet of the club.
ETH has basically coached the most ineffective attacking unit ever witnessed by united fans in the first 15 matches this season and lost 53% of the matches played.
Our only goal threats are Casemiero whose now injured and Scott Mctominay both listed on transfer market as CDM’s, and both have a better goal Involvement per minute than any of our attacking players.
Who’s actually micro managing these players, who’s setting them targets and trying to improve them game by game?
Benny McCarthy, do me a favour, this guy is just happy he’s got a job, yet again worst in class in every facet of the club.
Feels as much like a ball progression/chance creation issue as a goalscoring issue. We aren't creating all that much.
As well as not scoring though Antony, Rashford and Fernandes are supposed to be creating but they aren’t. Antony with his cut inside and miss by miles it wouldn’t matter that much if we progressed the ball better.
This thread is depressin.
Then why are Casemiro and Mctominay our top scorers, they are taking their limited chances whilst our strikers are missing multiple opportunities, how many shots has Antony had this season he averages 4.3 per game 88 shots 28 on target wow that’s last season where he scored 4 PL goals this season he won’t score 2
https://www.premierleague.com/players/75381/Antony/stats
Get rid, I called this last year and said he’s not in the top 15 left footed right wingers in the EPL and championship, I’d rather have Almeron, Brian Mbeumo or Solly March than this clown, Sancho’s a spoilt twat but he’s right about ETH favouritism for the worst united sighing in living memory, this guy makes Di Maria look like an above average signing !
I present last seasons Antony stats and you wonder why Sancho is mad ?
https://www.premierleague.com/players/75381/Antony/stats
That record is safe. We need to be scoring before HT and having a lead at HT - both of things that aren't happening right nowCommentator just mentioned us not losing when we've led at half time in the Premier League since 2014
Casemiro and McTominay's returns aren't sustainable. It's just positive variance in a small sample size on their behalf.
We've scored 11 goals in the league from 15.00 xG exactly. That isn't great and shows our finishing has been letting us down a bit. That said, even if we scored exactly 15 goals and matched our xG, our xG is still only 12th in the PL so far this season. If we want to score more goals, the more sustainable route to that is creating more chances rather than hoping we are clinical.
Well Casemiro form last season suggests that it is and Mctominay form for Scotland this season suggests that it is.
Just for record if we got knocked out of the Group stage at CL and 3rd round of the FA CUP we would have played one third of the season already after our trip to Fulham on Saturday.
Antony has absolutely no right shooting as often as he does and it is a failing of the coaching staff that he has not changed his play, as he is one of the first names on the team sheet meaning that Ten Hag is happy with how he plays. He never tries any incisive through balls and his crossing is rubbish. Both of our wingers/wide forwards look at creating chances for their teammates as a last resort which is crazy and not conducive to good attacking play.
Yep 88 shots for 4 goals is pathetic. I've often found Sancho isn't selfish enough actually at times, or lacks the confidence to call for the ball or the personality to inflict his game, the game passes him by too often. So United wasn't a good move for him, needs a set-up where he is well looked after to flourish. I would still far rather Sancho than Antony because there's something to work with there, whereas Antony is just crap. Sancho also can make his team-mates look better whereas Antony takes away with all his aimless play. And I also imagine Antony is not a particularly good team-mate on or off the pitch, while the stuff with his partner was unsavoury. The fact Ten Hag brought Antony in from his last club too reeks of favouritism. This is the sort of thing that ruins the atmosphere of a dressing room.
Erik ten Hag has broken another record as a Manchester United manager despite the tough start to the season at Old Trafford.
The last-gasp win over Fulham keeps Manchester United in touch with the top five and the former Ajax boss has broken a record after the victory.
The win in West London makes it Erik ten Hag’s 50th for the Red Devils which is the joint quickest time it has taken a United manager to reach that figure alongside Ernest Mangnall, manager in 1908.
The last-gasp win over Fulham keeps Manchester United in touch with the top five and the former Ajax boss has broken a record after the victory.
The win in West London makes it Erik ten Hag’s 50th for the Red Devils which is the joint quickest time it has taken a United manager to reach that figure alongside Ernest Mangnall, manager in 1908.
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Has he broke the longest run without a draw game? 23 now, I think.
1 goal and 1 assist from all forwards combined in the Premier League after 11 games, has got to be some kind of record. Not just for Man Utd, but across the league.
I think this is moreso one of those venting threads were people only want negative records.
Because there are no positive ones. Lets be honest. We are awful.
Here's a pretty positive one: Ten Hag has the highest win rate of any permanent Manchester United manager in history (yes, including Alex Ferguson).
Mainly because we never fecking draw, of course, but that's still a pretty unbelievable stat.
Id say he’s got the record of taking the least amount of sh*te from players since SAF. Not one manager has stood up to a Ronaldo level player and then taken on an under performing and under training player like Sancho.
He's a flashy 5-a-side player. Nothing more.
He'll never make it here unless he or ETH try something different, eg play him on the left. Having said that, he doesn't look the type of player who can cross the ball, even if he did find himself with space to do so.
Fed up with his petulance too.
He'll never make it here unless he or ETH try something different, eg play him on the left. Having said that, he doesn't look the type of player who can cross the ball, even if he did find himself with space to do so.
Fed up with his petulance too.
It is helped by the fact we had an easy group in EL last year and also easy League Cup and FA Cup draws.
FA Cup: Everton, Reading, West Ham, Fulham all at home, Brighton in semis
League Cup: Villa, Burnley, Charlton all at home, Nottingham in semis
Europa League: Zorya, Omonia in groups, only Sociedad being real challenge
Draw one of the top 4 in FA Cup / League Cup early and we wouldn't have the other 3-4 wins.
Was it helped that he had to play Weghorst as his first striker because Martial is a sick note and Ronaldo went on tv and completely undermined him?
Last year, he took over a sh*tshow, let’s not pretend he took over a smooth running machine and did the bear minimum. It was impressive under the circumstances.
There’s alot of things wrong at United and ETH has to take some responsibility as he has made mistakes. But some of you act as though every single thing is his fault and there’s only negatives which is objectively untrue.
Last season was OK.
I was just commenting on the fact that he won so many games early on and faster than any other manager.
Even last season there was a pattern of us doing well against poor teams and being usually comprehensively beaten by good teams though, so playing fewer of the latter and more of the former helped.
This year we have been great at grinding out results against the odds.
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