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Refs and VAR at the World Cup
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bbc said it. did say I found it hard to believe
It's happened before. We had a VAR decision after the final whistle had gone.
Are people still going to defend that Croatia call saying the right decision was made?
He scored 2 in the last world cup
If the bloke in the middle challenging for the ball was offside (which I assume he was) then it was the right call.
The problem with doing it just with feet is that makes it way more difficult for linesmen to judge at non-VAR levels. And the rule-makers don't want different offside laws at different levels of the game.
It's automated so unless the technology has failed you would have to assume he's off side by a mm.
This is my issue with semi-auto offsides and why I actually prefer the currently way they do it in the PL (where there is a tolerance).... but yeah, we'll go back to tiny offsides that basically look onside with this semi-auto technology.
But not after the play had continued. At list it's so according to the Laws of the Game - ref's decision can be changed until the ball's back in play (including the beginning of the second half). If Modric took the penalty kick, VAR could not intervene any more. It's been so for ever, before the introduction of VAR.
(So it can be changed after the final whistle, as you say, since the ball cannot be - hence has not been put back in play.)
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I agree. I'm not saying it's a wrong call, I'm saying it's a moronic call.
Ummm how is that offside on Morocco
I was taking about the one that was disallowed for France last night. The one that was disallowed after the final whistle.
Lineker's right - offside should be judged by were your feet are. so much more straightforward
Can’t feet be millimetres offside? What about getting to a cross ahead of the defender with your entire body offside?
I’m not having a go but it’s weird how it’s gone from being too precise to crying about offside in itself. Offside has been here for decades
I think just the legs should be judged. If the foot or knee is further forward, that's what's judged.
however the hands, arms, head, body, etc... anything above the waist shouldn't matter.
Player no 5 was offside and then blocked the GK's before the shot . I was also confused at first, but seems clear on the replay.
Wait, his feet are offside here as well!
Feck me, if these kind of offsides were given 20 years ago, Pippo Inzaghi would have been some guy in Serie B.
It was so in the seventies and eighties (not sure about the nineties and later?). It was not a part of the Laws, but included in the IFAB's Guidelines for the Referees.
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I did think that's what he meant but yes agree
You know that it's the player in white that's been given offside?
They are not (not sure if serious)
VAR offsides haven't to be fair. And I don't think anyone ever thought we'd be judging offsides down the nearest mm as it was always done by an official.
Once this automated thing is instant and the call comes straight away on the pitch, it's fine, in fact it will fix all the issues. But I doubt we'll get there anytime soon and until then you just get some utterly ridiculous decisions where miniscule 'mistakes' are 'corrected' after several minutes, and it's incredibly unsatisfying for everyone involved. There has to be a margin for it not to become a farce, which was the point of the original intention of fixing "clear and obvious errors".
Haven't seen the game. Did Tunis take the kick from the center after that (later disallowed) goal and before the final whistle?
The shirt sleeve isn't either they have just ignored the sleeve of the Belgium player. The automation has calculated it wrong and they had just gone with it.
Yep. They took the kickoff and the final whistle came immediately afterwards.
I don't know I was watching the other match but the tweet was saying that they can't change the result after the final whistle has been blown.
That should not have been changed then.
That was either a mistake, or they have changed the rules since VAR had been introduced. I admit I only know (and am pretty sure about) the rule from the previous period. It was one of the basic/essential rules (ball in and out of play).
If the latter's the case, apologies for being so out of date
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You don’t need to draw an arbitrary line on a foot. The whole shirt sleeve thing can’t be exact. A toe can.
Clearly France still believe those are the rules. But who knows with the way the rules are changed every five minutes.That was either a mistake, or they have changed the rules since VAR had been introduced. I admit I only know (and am pretty sure about) the rule from the previous period. It was one of the basic/essential rules (Ball in and Out of Play).
If the latter's the case, apologies for being so out of date
Ridiculously tight but the Croatia man is interfering with play so offside is the right call. I didn't think the Griezman goal yesterday should have been disallowed though as I don't think he's interfering with play even if he was clearly in an offside position when the initial cross went in.
That's a good point although I'd think watching feet could be easier than trying to track arms like this. Either way, its become a little farcical when you see images like above.
Football is way worse with this bullshit, that’s a fact. A lot of the decisions they are making are wrong anyway. All it’s doing is taking away goals because of a 1mm offside and giving ridiculously soft penalties. Just get rid.
Jenas made a good point on commentary (even a broken clock can be right twice a day...) about how quick free kicks are dead as a result of referees and their peacocking.
All this pageantry organising walls, foam, pointing to whistles is a joke. Belgium made a good chance with a quick free but Taylor pulled it back because he wasn't finished with all his pomp and circumstance. It kills creativity.
All this pageantry organising walls, foam, pointing to whistles is a joke. Belgium made a good chance with a quick free but Taylor pulled it back because he wasn't finished with all his pomp and circumstance. It kills creativity.
It made no sense. Just blow and look for the foul. It’s not his job to make sure nobody is fouling anybody else.
My favourite is (I forget who) last week when a ref stopped play to tell an attacker he was offside.
Great job by VAR! Again! (Japan - Spain, second goal)
VAR has resolved correctly most of the cases, and it saved us from a lot of potential referee mistakes. Does anyone remember the World Cup 2002 in Korea?
It is a pity that some pundits (and some fans) focus so much on the very few cases where VAR got it wrong. I believe the vast majority of VAR decisions are correct.
VAR has resolved correctly most of the cases, and it saved us from a lot of potential referee mistakes. Does anyone remember the World Cup 2002 in Korea?
It is a pity that some pundits (and some fans) focus so much on the very few cases where VAR got it wrong. I believe the vast majority of VAR decisions are correct.
Excellent call on the Japan goal tbf.