Was there not a handball on Zinchenko vs Martial? Looked like a clear handball on the replay. Don't think VAR even reviewed it. They never showed a replay of Martial's handball claim when he set himself up for a volley with a touch inside the box. That looked really suspicious but I haven't seen any replay or close up. Anyone have the timestamp so that we can look at it?
Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion
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I thought when Martial went down he was clipped by one of the two defenders, not the one the commentators mentioned. Didn't see the replays though so it could have been a dive.
There was a slight touch but so little that the dive was deemed unnecessary.
Peak VAR bullshit as far as United are concerned tonight. Maguire’s disallowed goal was an absolute piss-take.
and yet they have the gall to complain we get too many penalties.I am guessing VAR time is added on as injury time? It just takes so so long and how far back does it go?
Did the ref blow as the ball went in? VAR didnt even look at it
Seems klopps little mind games been working a charm.
Refs scared of giving us anything tonight.
Refs scared of giving us anything tonight.
My understanding of VAR...
- VAR isn't allowed to over turn free kicks, only whether there should be a red card or not, and if there should be a pen or not. So the only 2 options there should have been a United free kick with a Brady red card, or a United free kick with no Brady red if Shaw was deemed to have fouled the guy/Brady's wasn't a red. Either way, Shaw's challenge was not a foul, so it should've been a red.
- Never a foul in any area of the pitch. Absolute scandal to disallow that.
Baffles me that they need three minutes and send the ref over to look at a tackle that could only ever be a yellow and a free kick but no need to see whether it was actually a foul on the goal. Never seen VAR being used to give free kicks before either.
They can check the buildup to the red card, which they did and, unfortunately for us, Shaw's challenge is a yellow card tackle any day of the week.
Shaw's was investigated as a possible red card so I assume that's how they were able to check it. It was a clear foul (though not a red) and I think the referee handled a complex situation well.
The Maguire foul was a total joke.
The Maguire foul was a total joke.
OK but you can't overturn a free kick, and no red card was given. If he gave a red, then you can change. A yellow was given. They can't over turn. The only check is if it should be a red card (with build up included), but not the actual free kick/yellow card because no pen or red card was given.
There's an argument that if Shaw did a red card tackle that would take precedence. But it's never in a million years anything more than a foul, and IMO not even a foul (but that's irrelevant). If it's not a red, then they can't call it back as a foul.
This will be the trend going forwards this season.
I presume there's no chance of VAR fecking off?
It hasn't removed ambiguity from decisions, or even made decisions better. It's just made it even more frustrating when an obvious decision goes against you.
It hasn't removed ambiguity from decisions, or even made decisions better. It's just made it even more frustrating when an obvious decision goes against you.
Maguire’s disallowed goal is just pure mind boggling.
Without getting into the specifics of what went on there I would like to put forward the idea that VAR is a load of steaming piss that ruined those 45 minutes as a piece of entertainment and left a far worse taste in the mouth than any poor refereeing performance pre-VAR.
Re the specifics, Maguire didn’t foul his man. Obviously. That was a terrible decision, reviewed by VAR and not corrected.
You had one job, VAR...
Re the specifics, Maguire didn’t foul his man. Obviously. That was a terrible decision, reviewed by VAR and not corrected.
You had one job, VAR...
I think the problem is that they've decided it is a clear and obvious error and Brady should be sent off. Once that decision is made, they check the build up and there's the foul.
It's a stupid area of inconsistency, if they hadn't have checked it it would have been a booking and our free kick, but they end up with the right decision.
The refs either blind or a cheat, maybe both. Bloody scandalous decisions throughout the entire half!
Dyche still yapping even though every decision has gone their way. Crazy man!!
Rashford, wake up for f#ck sake, there's a match on!
Dyche still yapping even though every decision has gone their way. Crazy man!!
Rashford, wake up for f#ck sake, there's a match on!
Here's the process that I think Friend followed:
After seeing both incidents again, he realized that Brady should be sent off for Denial of a Goalscoring Opportunity. Because it is not violent conduct, that presumptive red card can be reviewed to see if anything occurred the build-up that would invalidate the move which led to the goalscoring opportunity that Brady denied. Shaw is adjudged to have committed a foul in the build up, which is awarded along with a yellow card, invalidating any card for Brady.
Edit: @NinjaFletch said the same thing at the same time as I did.
Precisely.
How anyone can watch that half and think VAR is a good idea is beyond me.
That's pretty much how I see it, although I think they can check for a foul in the build up even if it's not a red card offense. Can't review every yellow card incident on its own though, rightly.
The problem isn’t VAR it’s that they’re still making the wrong decisions. VAR in principle is fine.
Also this. Still amazes me how anyone can feel football has been improved by this.
The laws of the game - without VAR - are fine in principle.
Still not sure about the Shaw/Brady ordeal. I didn't think VAR gave free kicks for fouls in the build up to a VAR reviewed incident. I also thought the only card that could be given from a VAR was a red. I've not seen a decision reversed and a booking given the other way before. But Shaw plays the ball, the follow through looks bad if you freeze it on Shaw's foot looking like he makes studs-up contact, but he actually doesn't, it goes behind the Burnley player's leg. But VAR froze it on that more than once.
Maguire's goal was a joke decision though. Commentator said VAR looked at it, but it was very quick. The defender didn't even go for the header, does that mean Maguire isn't allowed to either?
Maguire's goal was a joke decision though. Commentator said VAR looked at it, but it was very quick. The defender didn't even go for the header, does that mean Maguire isn't allowed to either?
The Maguire goal is baffling. That is a textbook header.
How is an guy like him supposed to win a header in a packed box without getting physical with a defender? It is impossible.
How is an guy like him supposed to win a header in a packed box without getting physical with a defender? It is impossible.
What’s being ignored in this is that Brady got away with a knee high tackle with no yellow card. If Shaw’s a booking so is that.
In the build up to what? A freekick? A red card? Has that ever happened before?
I don’t think VAR was the issue there. In Shaw’s case they arrived at the right conclusion; it was just a mind-bender getting there.
The Maguire decision is also impossible to overturn given the role VAR currently plays. There is contact and therefore it isn’t a clear and obvious error by the book. Obviously, it is an error by the common sense rule book we expect referees to follow: a frankly terrible decision by Friend. Awful refereeing.
The Maguire decision is also impossible to overturn given the role VAR currently plays. There is contact and therefore it isn’t a clear and obvious error by the book. Obviously, it is an error by the common sense rule book we expect referees to follow: a frankly terrible decision by Friend. Awful refereeing.
RIP English football
I presume it’s sliding doors bullshit, where that timeline never happened once Shaw conceded the free. A bit like when Van Dijk got his knee wrecked.
An interesting body of work in that 45 minutes, eh?
I give up tbh
Yeah, that’s a joke though. They’re sitting on Sky talking about how lucky Shaw and how bad a tackle it is but Brady’s tackle wasn’t just denying a goal scoring opportunity, it was high and reckless with no intent of getting the ball.
Amazing considering every ref knows reckless tackles can still be given as a red if the game has stopped
What book is this? Since when do two players brushing against each other jumping for a header remove the possibility of a bad refereeing error?
What a joke! Shaw gets plenty of the ball and then Cavani doesn't even get the freekick up the other end, never mind the red
Now Redknapp is acting like Shaw should have been sent off
Now Redknapp is acting like Shaw should have been sent off
That's fine to think it should be a red and do a check. They can't end up changing a free kick and yellow to another free kick and yellow though, that's the point. There are 3 options for VAR to conclude - a red for Brady with United free kick, a red for Shaw with Burnley free kick, or keep the yellow for Brady with a United free kick. They literally aren't allowed to change it the way they did.