Today’s VAR official is one Stuart Atwell.
He somehow stayed in a job after giving a goal that never even entered the net
He somehow stayed in a job after giving a goal that never even entered the net
Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion
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How about a storm everything VAR related fb-group? Like that Storm area51 group 
just storm the serverroom, the VAR boots, everything.
Just a piss-take obviously, but would be nice to make VAR feel the heat
just storm the serverroom, the VAR boots, everything.Just a piss-take obviously, but would be nice to make VAR feel the heat
Next time he'll go down with the initial contact, and then Lamela gets a red.
Still stupid to shove someone in the face, everyone knows that's a red, but an elbow into the face is going to upset you.
So when people are saying VAR is ruining the game, they are actually blaming the monitor?
No mention of spurs players being in the area in the goal kick for the third? Shambles of decisions against us this year
I don’t really understand why they wouldn’t ask the ref to go and check the video for Lamela’s elbow. Lamela has elbowed martial as a reaction to something that happened, so it’s no different.
Reds should be left for actual violence. I never understood why Beckham got sent off in 98 for a reaction, when we see players shoving each other in reaction all the time.
Reds should be left for actual violence. I never understood why Beckham got sent off in 98 for a reaction, when we see players shoving each other in reaction all the time.
Who you mean by them? Monitors?
I just don’t get the decision to send Martial off and not Lamela. It’s not about making excuses, we were rubbish regardless, but the decision was at 2-1. It absolutely has affected the game.
4 games in and we've had a strange VAR call in every single one of them. Disgrace really.
No they’re blaming VAR. Which stands for Video Assistant Referee. VAR can’t exist without the referee so therefore if that ref gets it wrong, it’s VAR’s fault.
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I guess that's the gist of the logic they used.
The R is a sentient being. V - Video, A - Assisted, R - Referee
Who do you think I mean? You’re not being as clever as you think you are. Quite the opposite.
100%. Martial was stupid but as someone on sky said ‘it’s two yellows or two reds. Not 1 of either”
Well then they're idiots.
Pretty sure and elbow thrust into your neck /chin doesn't happen every game
The ball was dead was it not? You don’t fend somebody off with an elbow in the throat when there’s no ball to compete for.
Yes. So people saying ‘it’s not VAR it’s the refs’ are being stupid. Because VAR is just a ref watching TV.
Even Souness was on that Lamela should have been sent off as well.
Agreed. I think we should be treating VAR as "the VAR" just like "the linesman" etc..
It's shite. I like technology in the game but the way it's used to is all wrong and the incompetent officials can't get a grip on it. They should've at least told that cnut Taylor to go to the monitor to see Lamela hitting Martial first but that's too much logic for them bastards.
Agree. It didn't even look like the normal pre-corner jostling to me.
Same. Not watched a full game all year.
What Martial does is retaliation and a red, by the book, even though super soft. What Lamela does first is not hard enough to be deemed a hit I guess, so it’s a yellow. What he does afterwards is acting to be hurt, which is morally obnoxious, but not a punishable unfortunately. It should be, it always should have been, but we reward cowardness and faking injuries. If the punishment for real pain is a red, faking the same should be a red. Makes sense. Why didn’t the referee even check it?
Lamela should be ashamed of himself, but he won’t be. He is that kind of player, always has been. Fake hard man, then goes to the floor like he is 6 years old. Something Alli could have done, same with Guendouzi. Some will say he is smart, but no, doing something like that is always wrong. About time FA comes out and punish behavior which is against the message role modeles should send. You pretend to be hurt, here is a five game suspension. It’s the only way he will learn.
Lamela should be ashamed of himself, but he won’t be. He is that kind of player, always has been. Fake hard man, then goes to the floor like he is 6 years old. Something Alli could have done, same with Guendouzi. Some will say he is smart, but no, doing something like that is always wrong. About time FA comes out and punish behavior which is against the message role modeles should send. You pretend to be hurt, here is a five game suspension. It’s the only way he will learn.
It was Lamela being a snide little cnut like he always is.
Will Ole just laugh it away and accept the decision without having a go at the ref? It would be nice for once if he can come out with some anger.
If you've seen the all or nothing Spurs documentary you will see that is exactly what Jose encourages.
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Right to send Martial off, wrong not to punish Lamela imo.
It wasn't a punch in a violent sense, but it seems quite clear to me that he wanted to hit him in the face. And that is a red.
Of course he will. Like a deer in the headlights in his post match interviews.
Should be a yellow to Lamela for the initial contact, a red to Martial for the retaliation and then another yellow to Lamela for being a complete and utter cnut.
My first impression was they should have both been punished equally.
Lamela elbow to Martial face.
Martial slap to Lamelas face.
I think a yellow to Lamela and a red to Martial. Lamela should have then got a second yellow for that dramatic dive! The problem is, as soon as the hand goes onto the face, a red card will almost always be brandished. Stupid of Martial really but Lamela should have been punished as well.
Why is an elbow to the throat/face a yellow and an open palm to the throat/face a red? Is an elbow less severe than an open palm and do the rules make a distinction between the two?
The ref, on second viewing, will probably feel that he committed to the red card too early and would probably have given both yellows in the context of the game, but once it was given he couldn't back down. Having sent Martial off, it's obvious that he should've sent Lamela off too for pretty much an identical foul (apart from the body part being used), because not punishing one but punishing the other within three seconds has no justification in the laws of the game.
The red card mirrors a lot what happens in societies where the reactions is punished and the cause is never even analyzed
I would think the distinction is that Lamela could claim that he was trying to push his opponent away, whereas Martial's was only retaliation.
I can understand Martial's being viewed in a worse light even with the contact being as light as it was but I don't get Lamela escaping any punishment at all.
The most telling point of that incident is that Martial's head was rocked back by the elbow but Lamela did not even flinch with Martial's hand.
Martial should have hit the floor, Lamela is gone and it's a different game. Naïve.
Martial should have hit the floor, Lamela is gone and it's a different game. Naïve.
Except in hockey.
If Lamela had elbowed Martial, he'd have seen red. The arm has gone across Martial and up into his neck but that isn't violent conduct for me. That sort of thing happens at every single set piece and if you red card that, you'll send 4 or 5 players off every game. What doesn't happen every game is the retaliation. Martial has clearly hit him in the face albeit not very hard and Lamela has embarrassed himself but that is classed as violent conduct.
As for Shaw, I can't see how he's escaped a red there