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TEAM HARMS & ANNAHNOMOSS
TEAM ENIGMA_87
TEAM ENIGMA_87
Eduard Streltsov said:There are eleven players in the team and we are all communicating by passes. Passing connects us, it is the language that we are speaking. You can fool your opponent with a beautiful dribble; you can make a showy shot or an impressive jump. You can even run beautifully. You can and you should. But the most important thing in football is passing. Pass should be gentle, accurate, timely. It should be smart, unexpected, cunning
Inter vs Torpedo match report said:Maybe it would've been more productive to alternate ways and methods of the attacking play, like Streltsov did, switching between dribbling runs with the ball, a battering ram tactic or 1-2's with his partners. But there were no other Streltsov on the pitch
Good luck to you too!Thanks @Aldo for setting it up and enjoy your flight.
Good luck @harms @Annahnomoss should be a quality game.
Thanks mate.Good luck to you too!
To the game:
Well, you lined up as expected - and I'll begin with the main question. I believe that your team lacks width, especially on the left - as far as I remember, Ditz wasn't very attacking (and it can be argued that his peak was as a CB) and Villa won't provide much width - same as Simonsen on the right. While our flanks are simply devastating - top-class wingers/wing-forwards (capable of hugging the line if needed), plus two brilliant CB's, plus central midfielders who are used to go to their respective flanks.
In Keizer - Netto we're recreating a hugely successful partnership of Keizer and Gerrie Muhren - Netto possesses similar qualities to the latter.
And you can read more on the Zizinho's (arguably the best player on the pitch) role here - it's on Portuguese, but google-translate always helps.
Edit:In the Cup, Zizinho missed the first two matches of Brazil (against Mexico and Switzerland) because of a knee injury. The ace came on only in the third game, against Yugoslavia. And it was exactly the half realized, that July 1, 1950, considered best performance of a player with Brazil shirt at all times. Zizinho did everything. He scored goal gave pass to another (the Brazil won 2-0), dribbled, threw, ran frantically and hit all passes during the game. The Maracana standing ovation the star of the gala performance that has so lacking in previous matches selection. After that game, Zizinho received high praise from the Italian journalist Giordano Fattori, the Gazzetta dello Sport , which said: "The Zizinho football reminds Da Vinci painting some rare work" . It was enough to win the ace the nickname that both the consecrated: Master Ziza.
Your Slav core looks pretty tasty, but tell me more about this guy. I think I've seen highlights of one game he was involved in, but don't know a lot about him.In midfield we have possibly the greatest ever Yugoslav player - Zlatko Cajkovski(Cik), playing as in a holding role.Very intelligent player, with very good technique and tremendous condition, stamina and mentality. Cik always played with great desire to win and even when his team was losing, he was able to motivate them, and turn lost game into victories. Played on the same level from first to the last minute of the game (he was really tireless).
aye quality should be better but it's hard to find good quality videos from that time. Cajkovski was captaining his side during that time of course it should be noted that it was a bit inferior to the Brazil side that made it to the finals, but beat Mexico 4-1(Cajkovski scored 2 goals) and Switzerland 3-0.I think that it's also fair to mention that we have a great duel in the middle - Zizinho in a free role will sometimes find himself into Cajkovski's zone.
This is, if I'm correct, the only confrontation that took place in the real life, they played against each other in the 1950 World Cup group game, Cajkovski was Yugoslavia's captain
Edit:
Also a funny story about that game:
In the match against Yugoslavia, Brazil's midfielder Zizinho scored a double goal.
This lord of soccer grace scored a clean goal and the referee disallowed it unfairly. So Zizinho repeated it step by step. He entered the box at the same spot, dribbled around the same Yugoslav defender with the same delicacy, slipping by on the left as before, and drove the ball in at the exact same angle. Then he kicked the ball angrily several times against the net.
The referee understood that Zizinho was capable of repeating that goal ten more times, and had no choice but to allow it.
No, Zizinho declined the invitation to the national team in 1954 (and 1958, even though he was asked both times).Cajkovski also led the team 4 years later in the 1954 WC, when they drew Brazil(I'm not sure if Zizinho took part in that game) and won against France, only to lost to eventual winners Germany in the final.
Sure. For one Cajkovski is considered probably the best central midfielder coming from Yugoslavia. He's a Croat, played early in his career as a right half, was a true fighter and a leader. I posted some quotes in the profiles to note how high he was regarded at the time. He was a very intelligent player ahead of his time, both in making runs and reading the game. What is his outstanding quality is his engine - Davids level if I may say. Although I'd put him below both Davids and Cafu if we directly compare them only due to the pace of the game in the 50's. Be he had the natural and physical ability do reach them IMO if he was born 10 years later.Both teams look well set up. Well done to both gaffers.
Your Slav core looks pretty tasty, but tell me more about this guy. I think I've seen highlights of one game he was involved in, but don't know a lot about him.
Sorry, quarter finals, made a typo there. Yugoslavia had a good side at the time but lacked players in some positions to mount a challenge to Brazil, Germany or Uruguay.No, Zizinho declined the invitation to the national team in 1954 (and 1958, even though he was asked both times).
And I'm pretty sure that it was Hungary and not Yugoslavia who lost to Germany in that final btw
PES ladders?What is his outstanding quality is his engine - Davids level if I may say. Although I'd put him below both Davids and Cafu if we directly compare them only due to the pace of the game in the 50's
Football Manager stamina 20 19 etcPES ladders?
Btw, not a chance - Dzajic is widely regarded as the greatest ever Yugoslavian footballer and then there are Beara, Vasovic, Vukas, Zebec, Savicevic etcIn midfield we have possibly the greatest ever Yugoslav player - Zlatko Cajkovski (Cik)
Any questions regarding my side?Both teams look well set up. Well done to both gaffers.
It's hard to compare positions really. Beara sure was the best keeper, Vasovic defender and Zebec is the most versatile ever. Really depends on how you look at it but granted - maybe if I put center midfielder it will sound better.Btw, not a chance - Dzajic is widely regarded as the greatest ever Yugoslavian footballer and then there are Beara, Vasovic, Vukas, Zebec, Savicevic etc
If I may jump inAny questions regarding my side?
He is brilliant at it - and I believe that I already touched it in some of the write-ups. Especially the young one - which is the Streltsov that we're playing. He had a ridiculous physique, he bullied defenders for fun and he alternated different tactics during the game - one moment he was a physical target man, the next one he was a pacey runner from behind etc. After the 7 year break without any professional football it was, of course, his physical qualities that took the biggest hit. He wasn't as pacey and strong as he was in his youth days - so he moved a little deeper, using his vision, passing and understanding of the game to adapt to a new role. There are more footage from this time so if you try to find out his actual playing style you're more likely to stumble upon his second "career"If I may jump in
The most interesting positions in your line up - Streltsov. How good is he at leading the line? From what I know of him (not as much as you of course) he strikes me as a AM or a second striker. For example the comparison with Bergkamp is a good one. Doesn't he need a foil up forward so that he has a bit more space? Otherwise as a CF in this game he'll be between our CB pair with his back to the goal.
And second one is Jonquet - does he have the pace to keep up with Papin?
So he started as a CF but moved to midfield? In what system did he used to play? It's interesting story definitely with a 7 years break.He is brilliant at it - and I believe that I already touched it in some of the write-ups. Especially the young one - which is the Streltsov that we're playing. He had a ridiculous physique, he bullied defenders for fun and he alternated different tactics during the game - one moment he was a physical target man, the next one he was a pacey runner from behind etc. After the 7 year break without any professional football it was, of course, his physical qualities that took the biggest hit. He wasn't as pacey and strong as he was in his youth days - so he moved a little deeper, using his vision, passing and understanding of the game to adapt to a new role.
I was aware that Papin is a bit underrated IMO around here. I don't think I'm qualified enough to judge who is better out of the two(obviously biased as well) but regarding Papin at his peak there weren't many better than him. 3 times in a row goalscorer of the European Cup - a feat only achieved by Muller and Messi, whilst he was playing in an obviously inferior side.Jonquet certainly has enough physical qualities to match Papin. While Buchwald is a tall enforcer (although this description doesn't do him justice, he was very all-rounded defender), Jonquet is a pacey and intelligent defender - his early interests included athletics, as you can see in the Guardian's obituary and on the many other sources
Actually, it is the difference between Papin and Streltsov that decides the game for me. Papin was absolutely brilliant in what he did, but a limited forward. He possessed probably one of the best shot techniques ever, but apart from that, being a shot-focused striker, he doesn't offer much, while Streltsov can be physical, can be pacey, can drop deeper, can run to the flanks (mostly on the left one) and can pick up the pass to a runner (Keizer/Ghiggia/Zizinho)
@harmsI won't post for a while, have some work to do - so Annah is free to post something if he wants too. Not as if there is any actual conversation going on, somehow our match doesn't invite any outside interest
More like to a support striker role, like Bergkamp or Cantona - just a tad deeper so that he would have more space to operate in as he didn't have the impressive physical attributes anymoreSo he started as a CF but moved to midfield?
I generally prefer my full-backs and wingers to occupy different channels or, failing that, thirds of the park - will Ghiggia and Alves be hitting the same space or will they be ganging up, with Zizinho in close support, on Dietz?Any questions regarding my side?
Yeah, just as I thought, especially given your modern day examples.More like to a support striker role, like Bergkamp or Cantona - just a tad deeper so that he would have more space to operate in as he didn't have the impressive physical attributes anymore
That's it, I'm going
Its interesting mate, I just haven't managed to think of anything worthwhile to post, beyond to say fantastic work on the Streltsov write up and GIFs. One of the more comprehensive attempts to explain a little-known player that we've ever seen on here.I won't post for a while, have some work to do - so Annah is free to post something if he wants too. Not as if there is any actual conversation going on, somehow our match doesn't invite any outside interest
The team is built around Zizinho, who is arguably the best player on the pitch. Keizer was a fantastic goalscorer for a natural winger with his more or less a goal every other game ratio - and Zizinho kept up the same ratio from his role from the midfield. I also prefer if the winger and full back occupy different channels and even if Ghiggia was an outside right he would operate closer to goal in a similar manner to Stanley Matthews.I generally prefer my full-backs and wingers to occupy different channels or, failing that, thirds of the park - will Ghiggia and Alves be hitting the same space or will they be ganging up, with Zizinho in close support, on Dietz?
To be honest I don't believe Byrne will provide the width going forward or have the technical ability for the job.I think that it's fair to point on the fact that Enigma's wide forwards, who aren't a naturally wing players and were mostly goalscorers, won't be of much help to his fullbacks. While I have a genuine wingers on both sides, who were used to help out with the opposition's fullbacks in the defensive phase.
And when attacking, I will have numerical advantage - no one from Enigma's attacking trinity won't go back to help the defence, so it will be Ghiggia+Alves vs Dietz or Keizer+Byrne vs Bessonov.
To be honest I don't believe Byrne will provide the width going forward or have the technical ability for the job.
Simonsen and Villa both have pretty good work rate. Keizer was never known to put a shift in defensively - exactly the opposite.
Jimmy Armfield was given the tag of the first full back to start the “overlapping full back” ploy. This is nonsense. Roger Byrne was the first full back to be seen to do this regularly in games. As a player with the experience of having played on the wing, he was always very comfortable at getting forward and supporting attacking play.
Re: Keizer - he was known to be not a hardworking player - but he actually did what he was supposed to do as a winger, his tactical role defensively - being present on the flank and constrain the opposition's fullback. Plus we have Netto here, who is basically a better version of Gerrie Muhren - who is very comfortable at the left and played everywhere from the left back to the outside left positions - and he was known for his stamina, workrate and defensive contribution.He was to be ever present from then on in what was to be the first Championship winning team since 1911. He played on the left wing for the last six games of that season, scoring six goals in the process.