When so many of their players are overrated or outright shite you wonder why the thought of being second to them is seen as any kind of achievement
Roberto Firmino, the most overrated player in the Prem.
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He is an AM, not a striker. His finishing is poor and always will be, still people keep judging him on goals and scorn him on his dry spells/adore him when he hits a purple patch. Goals are never going to be that relevant about his game.
Well I'm glad you're no where near player evaluations at United
Other than the finishing, I actually like Firmino's type of game and I never said he isn't a good footballer..
Martial is a huge talent, whom I hope for our sake fulfills his full potential, but Firmino isn't some Heskey type hard working donkey, dude is possibly the most skillful player in Liverpool squad after Thaigo Alcantara. Also let us not forget he was never a natural center forward, for most part, he used to play as attacking midfielder. The only issue is Liverpool fans and media hyped him as someone on par with the likes of Harry Kane, Sergio Aguero, Aubameyang and their ilk. Which he isn't. But till now whatever he has achieved he will be regarded as better/greater player than Martial, who for us, has mostly been underwhelming for the price we paid for him.Pathetic, isn't it?
Suddenly the best striker in the league.
Salah came off the bench for 30 minutes and scored 2 against these and he's not even a striker.
Better than Martial
Martial is pure class, going through a poor run of form. Firmino, isn't, never was and never will be class.
It's funny that way - fans often can't wait to stick the knife in once they've beaten a team ('see how crap they are!'), while you'd think they'd want to big up the opposition to make their team's performance even more impressive. Guess it tells you which one tends to be more stronger between 'must praise us' and 'must hate on others'.
Only a guy with red united glasses would say Martial is better than Firmino. I hate Pool as much as the next guy on here, but saying Martial is better is pure and simple laughable.
Well I'm glad you're no where near player evaluations at United
Other than the finishing, I actually like Firmino's type of game and I never said he isn't a good footballer..
IF Martial was better, Klopp would've bought a new striker a long time ago
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/player-comparison
Both players were signed in 15/16. I'll give you finishing for Martial but for technical ability and hold play that's ridiculous. As for everything else, Firminho beats him more than just "covering a lot of ground"
your post is so wrong it's laughable.
You are a Liverpool fan, and you are still calling him Firminho!!
Not had much to do with this thread but calling someone that continues to score important goals overrated is a bit weird. I think we have the most overrated player in the PL.
No way anymore
He can go feck himself for all that "no look" business.
Cnut like his manager and team mates.
Oh and his entire fan base.
Cnut like his manager and team mates.
Oh and his entire fan base.
Was looking for it on the replay for his first. Disappointing that he didn't do it.
I would take him over Martial any day
He hasn't been as good for some time, but I'd definitely say he is better at Martial. Firmino is also proven in some big CL knockout matches where he's been huge for Liverpool.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many of the really big matches (CL knockouts) where Martial has really imposed himself. I'm not sure he's played in all that many either to be fair.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many of the really big matches (CL knockouts) where Martial has really imposed himself. I'm not sure he's played in all that many either to be fair.
Above average footballer.
Below average striker.
Below average striker.
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He’s an angry elf.
Amazes me how a bunch of Scouse sympathisers come on a United Forum in a thread proclaiming how underrated their top striker is and expect the United supporters to rate him.
We've another thread having a right go at your World class defender.
Oh, btw, sorry to be such an edgelord.
We've another thread having a right go at your World class defender.
Oh, btw, sorry to be such an edgelord.
Good to see him back near his best. Hopefully he can carry it on, we’ll need him with Jota not being back till February ish
I mean it’s a forum for football discussion...
There is more heat here than in the manager discussions.
Firmino is sadly a very good player. What more needs to really be said?
Firmino is sadly a very good player. What more needs to really be said?
Me or "Bobby"?
Firminio is perfect for their system. Obviously, he won't have the same impact in a team that doesn't play like them. He is the very definition of a system player. Rating him in isolation is pointless in my opinion because he is really doing well in that team. The header he scored against Spurs was great - deserves massive credit for that.
Don't like him as a player and I totally hate his antics but you can't deny the impact he has.
Don't like him as a player and I totally hate his antics but you can't deny the impact he has.
Would you rather have a striker who scores 5 goals with the team scoring 80 or a striker who scores 30 goals with the team scoring 70? Firmino may not put up the stats, and if he did go to another team he may be a huge flop, but I can guarantee you that neither Liverpool fans or Klopp would trade him...
He's a striker in free scoring team and averages about 15 a season.
Nope. Here is his heat map from 2019-20. He is their link between the midfield and the attack, and mainly sets up attack for Salah and Mane. While saying that, his finishing has been diabolical for most of this year.
Gone but not forgotten. Miss you big man!
Don't hit me with stats and heat maps, he's number 9 in a team that scores freely and he barely looks like scoring and when he does the stupid cnut "no looks" like he's the goat. He's got about as much class as his boss.Nope. Here is his heat map from 2019-20. He is their link between the midfield and the attack, and mainly sets up attack for Salah and Mane. While saying that, his finishing has been diabolical for most of this year.
Me too, although I like Martial. I think Firmino is excellent.
Correct, and I certainly wouldn’t swap him for Martial. Martial has a lot of talent but wouldn’t thrive in the role Firmino plays for us. Martial would be playing in Mane or Salah’s position for us anyway, not centrally.
He's one of those players that may not be the most effective or have the best stats but is a joy to watch and I've always thought he is disgustingly good at football.
Similar players in recent times, in my opinion are Dele Ali, KDB, Dybala, Ozil (when he played), Griezmann,
They just make the sport look so effortless and elegant despite playing against some of the best footballers in the world.
Similar players in recent times, in my opinion are Dele Ali, KDB, Dybala, Ozil (when he played), Griezmann,
They just make the sport look so effortless and elegant despite playing against some of the best footballers in the world.
Scoring goals consistently is his only problem.
Other than that, he's annoying good all-around and helped his teammates a lot.
Wouldn't say he's world class, nor an elite level player. Just highest tier of very good players.
Striker is not his best position, but Pool's system fits and actually need him there minus the scoring aspect. Klopp's system is annoyingly good, making plenty of "actual lower levels" players seemingly better. Shit annoying.
I think in normal average system/formations, his best position is AM or SS, with license to roam anywhere and helped defense, so dropping deep and all.
Other than that, he's annoying good all-around and helped his teammates a lot.
Wouldn't say he's world class, nor an elite level player. Just highest tier of very good players.
Striker is not his best position, but Pool's system fits and actually need him there minus the scoring aspect. Klopp's system is annoyingly good, making plenty of "actual lower levels" players seemingly better. Shit annoying.
I think in normal average system/formations, his best position is AM or SS, with license to roam anywhere and helped defense, so dropping deep and all.
Does Liverpool fans still think he’s a world class? A false 9 is just specific role of striker or forward. The role is just for support role which to link between the midfield and attacker. Calling Firmino a world class because he’s very good at what he does is like calling park ji sung a world class defensive winger because he’s very good at what he does that even someone like Pirlo amazed with. Firmino is just good player but not world class or elite.
Unless if you are Messi false 9 which his role not only to link but also to dictate the attackers and midfielders, to create lot of assists and goals but Firmino isn’t. Another player Kane who is not as good as Messi as false 9 but still world class even when this season played as false 9 because he offers his team lot of goals & assists.
Unless if you are Messi false 9 which his role not only to link but also to dictate the attackers and midfielders, to create lot of assists and goals but Firmino isn’t. Another player Kane who is not as good as Messi as false 9 but still world class even when this season played as false 9 because he offers his team lot of goals & assists.
Firmino is an average player whose aura has been enhanced by the qualities of his manager and performance of his team. Just like several players in our successful teams under SAF.
He does not score much, but hes still a very good player. Benteke scores more, but its for a very good reason that Klopp got rid of him and stuck with Firminho instead
What players would you reckon under alex f would fit the criteria you mentioned
I think he's just in the tier below world class (ignoring for the moment most of 2020 where he has not been been close to it). It's not necessarily about the goals, but he'd need to be Bergkamp to make up it and he isn't quite that either.
When I compare him to previous world class forwards we've had, he falls just a bit short despite being an excellent player.
He can hit world class levels though. The season where he scored 29 goals, I'd say say he definitely was.