Maybe I have a short memory but I struggle to remember him ever having anything positive to say about United since he left. Obviously that is understandable in the context of this season but, for most of the period following his departure/sacking, we have continued to win the premier league regularly and have achieved better results in Europe than his team did. He comes across like a stuck record and frankly a bit of a bore - reading "Keane criticises United" as a headline is a bit like reading "dog barks".
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Maybe I have a short memory but I struggle to remember him ever having anything positive to say about United since he left. Obviously that is understandable in the context of this season but, for most of the period following his departure/sacking, we have continued to win the premier league regularly and have achieved better results in Europe than his team did. He comes across like a stuck record and frankly a bit of a bore - reading "Keane criticises United" as a headline is a bit like reading "dog barks".
Haven't a clue. You'd have to ask a physician. But there's definitely a difference between players in terms of resistance to injury as there is among people in their resistance to illness. The later can be worked on for sure.
Well that's his opinion isn't it? People are entitled to opinions.
And yet people are getting their knickers in a twist because some think he is bitter.
Negative perhaps, but completely truthful
Not quite sure what the problem is here.....I and many others have said Phil Jones needs to get his act together a lot of times this year and it didn't seem to be much of a controversial thing to say....
Regarding Rio, how many of you have said Rio has been a tosser all year? Again, wasn't much of a controversial opinion.
He's right in what he has said....Except the Moyes thing. Completely wrong there
Regarding Rio, how many of you have said Rio has been a tosser all year? Again, wasn't much of a controversial opinion.
He's right in what he has said....Except the Moyes thing. Completely wrong there
or maybe that's the only part being published. maybe he's giving balanced views but god forbid a a journo would ever mis quote him or spin his meaning around.
Damn those journo's manipulating his tv appearances.
Likewise, some will think he's bitter. Let them be. What was your reaction in the Gary Neville thread by the way? For the record, I don't think anybody should abuse Keane for what he said, but they can of course rightly point out that he often talks bollocks about United nowadays.
This, totally.
This. He never shuts up about Utd's 'problems'. Roy you left years ago and even Fergie is gone now. Quit living off the club already.
Many past players have given their all for the club. Only Keano is still criticising it years after.
Is he still going to be doing this when he's 65? Quite possibly at this rate.
Just as well as he's not an ambassador...imagine him trying to give a positive spin on everything
He's said loads of positive things about Utd it's just some of ye like to ignore it. It only took me 3 or 4 seconds to find these quotes.
“I'd never write them off. United are still the best club, still have the best manager and the best supporters. I was pretty upset the other night when they got beaten and I don't like feeling that way because you have to try to move on. But I still have loyalty to United, no matter what way I finished with the club, or whatever my relationship with the manager might be.”
http://www.footballzz.co.uk/noticia.php?id=62457
The bitter, bitter, bitter cnut of a man.
The majority of people saying that he never says anything positive and he's a cnut, have still failed to say anything on the article in this thread. What has he said that's so wrong?
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People are strange, 'everyone' seems really tolerant or even positive towards old woody, just look in the thread about him. People on here that is.
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The stuff about Jones, is he talking about physical or mental toughness? Few questions:
How often does Jones go off and then return immediately for the next game?
How many of his injuries are niggling ones, and how many are more obvious, serious ones?
I don't know the answer to these but if his injuries have been more on the niggly side then maybe it's a psychological thing with him. Like how Saha and Hargreaves were said to have been constantly worried about their next injury and picking up signs that weren't there, stalling/stopping any real recovery.
How often does Jones go off and then return immediately for the next game?
How many of his injuries are niggling ones, and how many are more obvious, serious ones?
I don't know the answer to these but if his injuries have been more on the niggly side then maybe it's a psychological thing with him. Like how Saha and Hargreaves were said to have been constantly worried about their next injury and picking up signs that weren't there, stalling/stopping any real recovery.
You can understand him having a go at Rio Ferdinand. If anything has defined Roy Keane's life these last few years it's how fine he was with the circumstances surrounding his own departure from Old Trafford
*clears throat*
*clears throat*
Looks like Carrick's wife was right about Keane. All Disapointing performances this season have come from him being played as a Right back which he is not! They've looked good as a pairing. If Keane can pull out stats that point to the contrary then he'll have a point. Until then....
He works in the media and, being a United legend, will be asked about them. What do you expect him to do?
The picture being painted of Keane by some as somebody who isn't bitter and has always loved Manchester United doesn't fit with this.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...-less-if-Chelsea-win-title-article409883.html
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...-less-if-Chelsea-win-title-article409883.html
Clearly a conflict of interest at the time, the bloke is a season ticket holder here ffs.
Yeah, he put his feelings for the club which are unquestionable according to some to one side because he didn't like our manager. He's always been a hypocrite. He's spouted that much conflicting shit it's hard to take his 'honesty' seriously. One of the best players I've ever seen but I struggle to have any attachment to him anymore.
Well there's the stuff you can control (e.g. hamstring strains) and the stuff you can't (e.g. Shawcross breaking your leg). Pretty much all of the stuff you can control is avoidable with robust preparation (strength and conditioning, warm-up), recovery and rehabilitation. The stuff inflicted on you from other players is often outside of your gift, but again a lot can be avoided by not going into stupid challenges, sliding in unnecessarily or taking silly risks (e.g. Gazza doing his cruciate after a reckless tackle).
The reason journos ask him about Utd all the time is because they know (and Roy knows they know) they'll get some sort of negative diatribe that creates an easy story. That's down to Roy not the journos. As I say, look at all the past players we've had, many of whom have fallen out with Fergie and the club also. 10 or so years later they're not still attacking it. Roy is in media now, it's good PR for him, so he'll keep on doing it.
Look at his reaction to Nani's sending off against Madrid a couple of years back ffs. To say that wasn't a crap decision was so axe-grinding it was unreal. I even had mates who are Leeds fans agree it wasn't a red card.
His response to that was no surprise. He said similar things about the Henry handball against Ireland. I think he said what he said because he was annoyed that people were excusing United's performance because of the red card. There is no excuses in Keane's world.
Well he uses Ed Woodward's supposed ineptitude in the transfer market as a defense for Moyes, yet fails to acknowledge that Moyes was at least significantly or even mostly responsible for some of those failures. He's got an agenda in that article, and as usual with him the agenda is "Have a pop at United".
If he's asked all these questions, of course he's going to give his point of view . It's not as thought he's ringing the newspapers to ask if they will publish his views.
The only time I was disappointed with his comments was his reaction to Nani being sent off last year against Real.
The only time I was disappointed with his comments was his reaction to Nani being sent off last year against Real.
Hasn't this all come from the interview that was on Talksport? I listened to this and thought Keane came across really well and not at all bitter for a change. The media, as usual have just pulled it to pieces.
Try and listen to the whole thing before making judgement.
Try and listen to the whole thing before making judgement.
The stuff he says kind of has a little bit of merit.
Anyway, people should listen to the whole interview before being duped by sensationalist articles by rags.
Learning to control the ball will stop him losing it and running straight into the opposition player and getting hurt. That seems to be how he injures himself half of the time.
Well if you only read headlines what do you expect?
If you actually listen to a Roy Keane interview or listen to what he actually says about United rather than one line quotes you are taking from crap papers, then you'll have a different opinion.
If ed woodward and the glazers are now considered synonymous with United it's sad times indeed.
It's his nature to be harsh, that should be clear from his time at this club. Hell, he's even talked harshly of his own country in the past. I don't see an agenda in this article though, bar one or two things, he's said what many on here have been saying for months.
Not much wrong what he said this time, although I really don't get what he means with "toughen up", but I don't care.
Keane is also my all time favourite United player and I don't think that will ever change. But that doesn't mean that he can critisize anyone he wants at United and all fans should just accept it because it's Roy Keane, the legend.
It really got on my nerve when he critisized Carrick after his Olympiacos interview (he critisized the performance (might be fair enough) AND the interview when Carrick was down after a horrible defeat (absolutely ridiculous to crizisize this, I would have been more annoyed if Carrick was full of enthusiasm after that game). Then a lot of ppl totally side with Keane and say he is a legend and has been much more important than Carrick will ever be. That's when it just gets too far for me. Keane is the better player, no doubt, and a completely different player to Carrick, but come on. Let's not rewrite history.
With Keane we won PL after PL and reached 1 CL final (in which he didn't even play). Apart from that, we didn't even come close to reaching another one (maybe in 2002, but if you can't do the business against Bayer Neverkusen, then you deserve to get knocked out). With Carrick we won 1 CL and PL after PL. With Carrick we also came back to compete with Chelsea and City. With Carrick we also reached 2 more CL finals. And Carrick for large parts single-handedly carried our entire midfield. While Keane could play with a young Scholes for years, Carrick had to play with an ageing Giggs or Scholes in midfield. Now obviously our success since Keane left has not been completely down to Carrick as we had Ronaldo/Tevez/Rooney and a great defence/gk. But then surely the same applies to Keane who could always be assured that once he does his job in midfield at least one of Becks/Giggs/Ole/Yorke/Cole will do the business up front. And Keane had a great defence/gk, too.
Then there's the point that Carrick hasn't been good lately, but Keane was hardly at his best in his last 2-3 years with us either. All in all Keane is entitled to his opinion, but I am just not willing to accept everything he says especially about players like Carrick when we have even been more successful with Carrick and others and when our competition has even been richer and stronger than when Keane was around. Carrick just doesn't get the credit he deserves because he has a completely different personality to Keane. Keane was the better player, but Carrick also has been an integral part of our success since 2006/2007 (therefore since he has joined us).
Keane is also my all time favourite United player and I don't think that will ever change. But that doesn't mean that he can critisize anyone he wants at United and all fans should just accept it because it's Roy Keane, the legend.
It really got on my nerve when he critisized Carrick after his Olympiacos interview (he critisized the performance (might be fair enough) AND the interview when Carrick was down after a horrible defeat (absolutely ridiculous to crizisize this, I would have been more annoyed if Carrick was full of enthusiasm after that game). Then a lot of ppl totally side with Keane and say he is a legend and has been much more important than Carrick will ever be. That's when it just gets too far for me. Keane is the better player, no doubt, and a completely different player to Carrick, but come on. Let's not rewrite history.
With Keane we won PL after PL and reached 1 CL final (in which he didn't even play). Apart from that, we didn't even come close to reaching another one (maybe in 2002, but if you can't do the business against Bayer Neverkusen, then you deserve to get knocked out). With Carrick we won 1 CL and PL after PL. With Carrick we also came back to compete with Chelsea and City. With Carrick we also reached 2 more CL finals. And Carrick for large parts single-handedly carried our entire midfield. While Keane could play with a young Scholes for years, Carrick had to play with an ageing Giggs or Scholes in midfield. Now obviously our success since Keane left has not been completely down to Carrick as we had Ronaldo/Tevez/Rooney and a great defence/gk. But then surely the same applies to Keane who could always be assured that once he does his job in midfield at least one of Becks/Giggs/Ole/Yorke/Cole will do the business up front. And Keane had a great defence/gk, too.
Then there's the point that Carrick hasn't been good lately, but Keane was hardly at his best in his last 2-3 years with us either. All in all Keane is entitled to his opinion, but I am just not willing to accept everything he says especially about players like Carrick when we have even been more successful with Carrick and others and when our competition has even been richer and stronger than when Keane was around. Carrick just doesn't get the credit he deserves because he has a completely different personality to Keane. Keane was the better player, but Carrick also has been an integral part of our success since 2006/2007 (therefore since he has joined us).
I kind of agree with your point that it's part of his nature. However we we were outplaying Madrid before that (and when you look at how we've been recently that's incredible). Yes, Fergie lost it in terms of set up and subs after that. But that red card did change the game. His views were skewed by his own prejudices.
Actually some PR agent of his is probably doing just that. My beef isn't really against Keane per se. I realise he's a double edged sword and his nature is why he was so brilliant as a player. But it's the fact he's been doing it for years now. I can't think of another similar ex-player/club relationship like this.
Sorry, have to pull you up here (and I've been having a go at him!). He got us through that semi against Juve practically on his own. He was absolutely incredible that night.
?? When did I say anything which contradicts to that? I know he was incredible against Juve.
You seemed to be downgrading his contribution to the win in 99. Perhaps it's just how I read it, or how it was worded.