Red the Bear
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Doesn't make sense though? Roy and gerard's careers didn't really overlap much and the times it did it was roy dominating gerard.
Doesn't make sense though? Roy and gerard's careers didn't really overlap much and the times it did it was roy dominating gerard.
Was good but the Micah Neville one was better. This was really just Carragher interviewing Keane.
Wtf?? Keane just basically admitted Gerrard was better than Scholes.
Keane is a troll, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t really get on with any of his old United’s teamamtes.Wtf?? Keane just basically admitted Gerrard was better than Scholes.
After Carragher made a case for Gerrard, Keano just went "Yeah I agree but you know loyalties..." and started laughing.
You can easily see that he think Gerrard is the superior player.
He's a contrarian and he seems to have a real issue with anyone that got on well with Fergie. Particularly the class of 92, other than Nicky Butt it feels like but he was probably the low key member of that group.Keane is a troll, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t really get on with any of his old United’s teamamtes.
He overplayed his hand and thought he was more powerful at the club than he really was.Keane was wrong in his spat with Fergie. No one can go out and chat shit about his teammates on live TV without getting severely punished for it. Lord knows what he was thinking.
This, remember the doc he did a few years ago where he had to pick his best ever united 11 and it was just lads who fell out with Fergie.Keane will take any opportunity to rag on the class of 92/Fergie and co.
Taking his opinions at face value would be silly.
It wasn’t that bad. Once you let players drop in quality in every way you are in trouble. We could need 2-3 Keane in our team right now.Keane was wrong in his spat with Fergie. No one can go out and chat shit about his teammates on live TV without getting severely punished for it. Lord knows what he was thinking.
Eh?It wasn’t that bad. Once you let players drop in quality in every way you are in trouble. We could need 2-3 Keane in our team right now.
Getting rid of Keane who was leader on both pitch and dressingroom was misstake. Once rest of old guard left our standards dropped because other players didn’t learned what it takes to be winners. Position where we are now in.
You never bad mouth your own teammates publicly. That was the case then and its the case today.It wasn’t that bad. Once you let players drop in quality in every way you are in trouble. We could need 2-3 Keane in our team right now.
Getting rid of Keane who was leader on both pitch and dressingroom was misstake. Once rest of old guard left our standards dropped because other players didn’t learned what it takes to be winners. Position where we are now in.
Getting shot of Keane and Van Nistelrooy closed the chapter of one era and started another, arguably better period of dominance.It wasn’t that bad. Once you let players drop in quality in every way you are in trouble. We could need 2-3 Keane in our team right now.
Getting rid of Keane who was leader on both pitch and dressingroom was misstake. Once rest of old guard left our standards dropped because other players didn’t learned what it takes to be winners. Position where we are now in.
It wasn’t that bad. Once you let players drop in quality in every way you are in trouble. We could need 2-3 Keane in our team right now.
Getting rid of Keane who was leader on both pitch and dressingroom was misstake. Once rest of old guard left our standards dropped because other players didn’t learned what it takes to be winners. Position where we are now in.
Could make a very real argument that Gary Neville’s knees going were more important to the downfall than Keane being let go.Getting shot of Keane and Van Nistelrooy closed the chapter of one era and started another, arguably better period of dominance.
2009 was the start of the end.
Or Andersons injuries.Could make a very real argument that Gary Neville’s knees going were more important to the downfall than Keane being let go.
think that was the crux of it, his time as a player was coming to an end, he barley played for Celtic when he left us. Think Fergie hid behind the interview and used it as an excuse to get rid of him. Show the man a bit of a respect in lieu of all he give for the club. To get rid of a player for comments he give as a pundit is a bit rich. Fergie wasn't too slow in his countless books in criticising players. Fergie did the same thing with Stam, used comments from his book to get rid of him, difference there was Stam was still in his prime. Unsavoury from both men in recent years in not burying the hatchet, but their stubborness was probably a big part of their football success.The funny thing is, Keane's comments and what Stam wrote in his book were both very tame.He overplayed his hand and thought he was more powerful at the club than he really was.
I think that is the big thing why he now hates Fergie and is still so bitter nearly 20 years later. He was embarrassed and he's clearly very stubborn and has a lot of pride and he can't get over that embarrassment.
As a club we began to seriously regress when Darron Gibson was allowed to leave.Or Andersons injuries.
I said after old guard left. I think our younger players could have learned more with him around so we would be better prepared afterEh?
We went on an incredible run after Keane left. How did standards drop after he left? We won the title 3 years running directly after Keane was released and made 2 CL finals.
Keane left in December 2005 and in the next 3 and a half years we won 3 titles, a CL, 2 league cups and a Club World Cup.
I don’t know about that. Usually I’m with you on that but sometimes there is need for tougher aproach. And as I said, I don’t think he was that out of line.You never bad mouth your own teammates publicly. That was the case then and its the case today.
He can pull their pants down in the dressing room but he was daft to go about it on their own club TV coverage.
No problem with starting a new era. I do think that Keane was more then a player and We should have kept him.Getting shot of Keane and Van Nistelrooy closed the chapter of one era and started another, arguably better period of dominance.
2009 was the start of the end.
Keane turned into a fecking disaster on every level humanly possible when his body couldn't keep up with his mindset. Fergie got rid because Keane started having the opposite effect on youngstersI said after old guard left. I think our younger players could have learned more with him around so we would be better prepared after
I don’t know about that. Usually I’m with you on that but sometimes there is need for tougher aproach. And as I said, I don’t think he was that out of line.
No problem with starting a new era. I do think that Keane was more then a player and We should have kept him.
It wasn't live TV or someone would have recorded it.Keane was wrong in his spat with Fergie. No one can go out and chat shit about his teammates on live TV without getting severely punished for it. Lord knows what he was thinking.
Others have pointed out how much success we had after Keane left so there was no loss whatsoever.It wasn’t that bad. Once you let players drop in quality in every way you are in trouble. We could need 2-3 Keane in our team right now.
Getting rid of Keane who was leader on both pitch and dressingroom was misstake. Once rest of old guard left our standards dropped because other players didn’t learned what it takes to be winners. Position where we are now in.
This is true.Keane turned into a fecking disaster on every level humanly possible when his body couldn't keep up with his mindset. Fergie got rid because Keane started having the opposite effect on youngsters
You are so wrong in that. Sure, his body took hit and he was not like his prime but he could do a job without question.Keane turned into a fecking disaster on every level humanly possible when his body couldn't keep up with his mindset. Fergie got rid because Keane started having the opposite effect on youngsters
It is not about just being player. It is about being key figure and a leader in dressing room. I think he should and could have stayed longer and actually stayed as a member of coaching staff. We had lot of success after Keane. Nobody is denying that.Others have pointed out how much success we had after Keane left so there was no loss whatsoever.
But in anycase there was no choice really. He only made 10 appearances after leaving us and retired. His body was done.
3 finals, one CL win vs Chelsea and 2 CL losses to Barcelona, which further solidifies your point.Eh?
We went on an incredible run after Keane left. How did standards drop after he left? We won the title 3 years running directly after Keane was released and made 2 CL finals.
Keane left in December 2005 and in the next 3 and a half years we won 3 titles, a CL, 2 league cups and a Club World Cup.
He did such a cracking job after being booted out of United, clearly proves you are right.You are so wrong in that. Sure, his body took hit and he was not like his prime but he could do a job without question.
Where was that opposite effect he had on players and youngsters? He never let standards down, whoever you were. You could have been star or young kid, he was same towards anyone.
Keane became a very angry and bitter man when he couldn’t live up to his own standards. This had a very negative effect on everyone around him and led to a crippling fear around the squad that wasn’t conductive to letting the young side we were bringing together to grow out of the shadow, which they went on to do.You are so wrong in that. Sure, his body took hit and he was not like his prime but he could do a job without question.
Where was that opposite effect he had on players and youngsters? He never let standards down, whoever you were. You could have been star or young kid, he was same towards anyone.
Bag a shite.He's a contrarian and he seems to have a real issue with anyone that got on well with Fergie. Particularly the class of 92, other than Nicky Butt it feels like but he was probably the low key member of that group.
He did something where he chose his best Utd 11 he played with and it seemed to be full of players Fergie had fallen out with, I'm sure he picked Paul Ince in midfield over Scholes and like Heinze over Neville or something stupid like that.
I kind of agree that he was a shadow of himself after the hip surgery in 2003 but he did have a good season performance wise in 2004-05 and his stats for that season were pretty immense. The controlled performances at Anfield and Highbury and even the FA cup final were proof he was still a very good player and i'm not exaggerating when i say the 33 year old keane would be our best midfielder by a million miles if he was here at that age now. No contest. A far better player than Matic is currently, and could dictate a game better than Fred or Mctominay or Pogba.Keane was a shadow of himself by 2003, so I think he’d have been phased out anyway. I do think he mistakenly thought he was equal to Ferguson when he made those remarks on MUTV, and Ferguson swatted him down and basically told him that he couldn’t do that even if he was captain.
I think Ferguson leaned a lot on Queiroz too by that point, and Queiroz wanted to phase Keane out. Keane has a huge disdain for Queiroz too.
His extremely brief Celtic career pretty much showed he had regressed into being an on-pitch thug shithouse player.
It’s not just Keane, it’s Neville and anyone else that played for United. For some reason whenever they express an opinion people get super offended on here. Weird behaviourI thought that was a fun interview. Not sure why people get so triggered by everything Keane says. Jamie's point about Gerrard's influence and his ability to play different positions was very valid, the only disappointing thing was that i'd counter that Gerrard couldn't dictate the game in the way Scholes could and was technically inferior.
Unlike Neville though who's very serious, Keane always comes across as very funny and is always self-deprecating. I'm baffled that people don't understand where he's coming from; you'd think he actively hates the class of 92 judging by people's comments here when it's pretty obvious he likes them ("loyalty") it's just that he has more of a fondness for the 94 team. It's just a different mentality. His huge respect and admiration for Brian Clough-a man who actually punched him in the face- is the same.It’s not just Keane, it’s Neville and anyone else that played for United. For some reason whenever they express an opinion people get super offended on here. Weird behaviour
Keane gets on well with a lot of them, apart from maybe Schmeichel I can’t think of any other he had problems with.Keane is a troll, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t really get on with any of his old United’s teamamtes.
It was a show from 2013 with Patrick Vieira where they tried to pick a combined Utd and Arsenal team.Bag a shite.
He was asked who was his ideal midfield partner from any era on sky before. You'll never guess who he picked......
And in that combined team he picked Viera and Viera picked him in midfield.It was a show from 2013 with Patrick Vieira where they tried to pick a combined Utd and Arsenal team.
He picked Paul Ince over Paul Scholes and fecking Paul Parker over Gary Neville. Also picked Ronaldo on the left so he didn't have to choose Ryan Giggs either.
He couldn't cope with his own decline and convinced himself that it was everybody else's fault.Keane was wrong in his spat with Fergie. No one can go out and chat shit about his teammates on live TV without getting severely punished for it. Lord knows what he was thinking.