FireballXL5
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Chances of Vlad dropping a nuke on Rostov? Crazy times.
He’d be overthrown in no time, a revolution would be inevitable.Chances of Vlad dropping a nuke on Rostov? Crazy times.
Yeah, initally it doesn't seem to be a coup against Putin. Prigozhin wants MoD leadership gone. However, all of these shenanigans affect Putin's hold on power anyway.He hasn’t said anything against Putin so far has he? Interesting to see how he responds.
repeatedI wonder does “stab in the back” have those connotations in Russia given Prighozin’s supposed Jewish heritage? Remember a while back Girkin insinuating something along those lines.
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When you start the coup like that even if you intended for it to be small, if you prevail you will become too big for the role you intended initially. He will replace Putin.Yeah, initally it doesn't seem to be a coup against Putin. Prigozhin wants MoD leadership gone. However, all of these shenanigans affect Putin's hold on power anyway.
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Putin can call it whatever he wants for now. He negotiated with Kadyrov (senior) in the end after the war in Chechnya.Put calling it treason, Shirley it can't be a way out for Prigozhin now.
Nah, this will be over quickly and all forgiven (for now)Possible civil war in Russia?
Exactly. Vlad should have brushed up on his history.Night of the long knives, Prigozhin = Röhm.
If anything, Prigozhin might have looked at that episode and decided to act before be was summarily defenestrated. Go out all guns blazing.
Do wonder what effect, if any, this is having on the front lines. Hopefully Ukraine can take some sort of advantage, lob a couple storm shadows at some high value stuff.
Also is that weird insurrection still happening in Belgorod?
They’re now controlling Russian army’s HQ in Rostov and all the military facilities there and in Voronezh, which was given up without a fight.Nah, this will be over quickly and all forgiven (for now)
I might be wrong as I don’t know that much about the Wagner group, but pretty sure they’re backed up by the Russian army supplying them (eg ammunition, weapons, tanks, fuel etc - not to mention I don’t think they have any aerial weapons of any kind). Without any of that being supplied to them by Russia how are they going to march on Moscow?
So basically confirmation this has moved into an attempted coup now?“President”.Tweet
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I can't imagine, who this isn't quite positive for Ukraine. Even from the simplest point of view there's thousands of Wagner soldiers, who suddenly disappeared from the front and thus are bound to have left some gaps behind them. Not to mention that the forces that are supposed to meet them in Russia have to come from somewhere as well. And then there's the soft aspects of Putin looking weak and a lot of people's loyalty being put to the test or questioned.Night of the long knives, Prigozhin = Röhm.
If anything, Prigozhin might have looked at that episode and decided to act before be was summarily defenestrated. Go out all guns blazing.
Do wonder what effect, if any, this is having on the front lines. Hopefully Ukraine can take some sort of advantage, lob a couple storm shadows at some high value stuff.
Also is that weird insurrection still happening in Belgorod?
If Russian soldiers wanted to stop them, they would have and could have. Instead Wagner took control of lots of military facilities.Nah, this will be over quickly and all forgiven (for now)
I might be wrong as I don’t know that much about the Wagner group, but pretty sure they’re backed up by the Russian army supplying them (eg ammunition, weapons, tanks, fuel etc - not to mention I don’t think they have any aerial weapons of any kind). Without any of that being supplied to them by Russia how are they going to march on Moscow?
What is the Russian army at this point? A mix of old disappointed veterans who's friends have been sent to death mixed with a lot of inexperienced unwilling conscriptees?If Russian soldiers wanted to stop them, they would have and could have. Instead Wagner took control of lots of military facilities.
So the answer pretty simply is that the Russian army does support Wagner against the orders of the MoD - at least a quite significant part does.
At least enough that Wagner does not need to use lots of ammunition if most others are just standing around waving while Wagner drives by.