Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[The United]

People talk about World War III. Obviously, NATO would have a few countries joining in if that happens but who is going to join Russia side other than Belarus anyway? I really doubt any other superpower countries would join them.

So this would have been over pretty quickly in a conventional war ? Even in a nuclear war, I really doubt the likes of China, India would nuke anyone. Obviously, it would be devastation for all of us. But I really don't see why those countries will join one side or another in any scenario in this age.

It would always only be Russia vs some NATO countries in most likely Ukrainian territories only?

 

[Kaush949]

Russia's Revenue from O&G

 

[sglowrider]

It's all over Twitter.

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I suspect the trainers will want to keep training shorter & simpler after this.

 

[sglowrider]

They sent it by Internet Explorer.

More like Netscape.

 

[sglowrider]

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[Sir Matt]

Russia's Revenue from O&G

But they turned off the gas in July (before they blew it up) so it's going to take a drop.

 

[VorZakone]

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[horsechoker]

They sent it by Internet Explorer.

Howard Nurse works for the CCP

 

[dove]

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[Rajma]

Moscow, this is going to be one motivated soldier:

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[Red Rash]

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Makes sense in the short term since prices elevated so much.

It would be interesting to know how this will look in the next 6 months considering prices have begun to decline and Russia is no longer giving oil to Europe. Putin said recently they may turn the oil back on to Europe which suggests to me that there may be economic issues they need to fix.

It would also be interesting to see how other industries in Russia have fared in the same timeframe as I imagine other than oil and gas almost every other industry has been hit badly

 

[VorZakone]

I asked, why did you come here at all? He said "To beat Germans".

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[VorZakone]

I wonder whether Western officials will eventually corroborate or somewhat confirm Ukraine's own reported numbers on Russians killed in action. They've been staking quite some PR on these daily updated numbers and if it turns out their numbers are widely off the mark that would reflect badly. Anyway, 65,000 is a staggering number.

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[The Firestarter]

Howard Nurse works for the CCP

Hu Jintao then

 

[nimic]

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The beeping is fecking obnoxious. I'm assuming it's censoring swearing, which is an absurd decision, like swearing is somehow the worst thing that's going on here.

 

[sglowrider]

Moscow, this is going to be one motivated soldier:

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Run Forrest run....

 

[Simbo]

I wonder whether Western officials will eventually corroborate or somewhat confirm Ukraine's own reported numbers on Russians killed in action. They've been staking quite some PR on these daily updated numbers and if it turns out their numbers are widely off the mark that would reflect badly. Anyway, 65,000 is a staggering number.

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I think everyone expects Ukraine to exaggerate the numbers and understand why, so I don't think it would reflect that badly...

However if you look at their claims of vehicle and equipment losses vs what Onyx has been able to visually confirm, they all seem very plausible, so I'd expect the same for the death tally. There has been very little "propaganda" published by Ukrainian gov that can be debunked.

 

[Beans]

I wonder whether Western officials will eventually corroborate or somewhat confirm Ukraine's own reported numbers on Russians killed in action. They've been staking quite some PR on these daily updated numbers and if it turns out their numbers are widely off the mark that would reflect badly. Anyway, 65,000 is a staggering number.

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There was a supposed leaked Russian document that said 48,000 were dead, and the Uranian count was at 51,000, which suggests it's pretty accurate.

 

[VorZakone]

"You can't run away, your own will shoot you".

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[Beans]

There was a report about this but it's still pretty remarkable to hear it confirmed.

 

[dove]

I wonder whether Western officials will eventually corroborate or somewhat confirm Ukraine's own reported numbers on Russians killed in action. They've been staking quite some PR on these daily updated numbers and if it turns out their numbers are widely off the mark that would reflect badly. Anyway, 65,000 is a staggering number.

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Some of the "independent" Russian media reported a few days ago of over 90k "irrecoverable losses".

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[Raoul]

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[RoyH1]

Some of the "independent" Russian media reported a few days ago of over 90k "irrecoverable losses".

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I'm not sure what they define as irrecoverable losses. Through many conflicts (WW1, WW2), Russia has almost always had losses that would break another country, but they keep on fighting and bringing on fresh recruits.
I'm well aware of Russian's demographic implosion, but 90k losses is not absolutely irrecoverable for a country of 146 million in a fight to the bitter end. Yes, replacing them, training them is going to be extremely hard, but Russia has pulled it off before. Just saying.

 

[Raoul]

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[Simbo]

I'm not sure what they define as irrecoverable losses. Through many conflicts (WW1, WW2), Russia has almost always had losses that would break another country, but they keep on fighting and bringing on fresh recruits.
I'm well aware of Russian's demographic implosion, but 90k losses is not absolutely irrecoverable for a country of 146 million in a fight to the bitter end. Yes, replacing them, training them is going to be extremely hard, but Russia has pulled it off before. Just saying.

Well its not a fight to the bitter end, nothing of the sort. There is no good reason for Russia to invade in the first place, never mind 1 day longer, they can end this at any time and get on with life. Its 90k losses for literally nothing. They also had allies in WW1/2, trade partners, materials flooding in by the million of tonnes. Not really comparable.

 

[Kaush949]

Makes sense in the short term since prices elevated so much.

It would be interesting to know how this will look in the next 6 months considering prices have begun to decline and Russia is no longer giving oil to Europe. Putin said recently they may turn the oil back on to Europe which suggests to me that there may be economic issues they need to fix.

It would also be interesting to see how other industries in Russia have fared in the same timeframe as I imagine other than oil and gas almost every other industry has been hit badly

Why Russia stands to gain most from OPEC+ oil production cuts

 

[Kaush949]

But they turned off the gas in July (before they blew it up) so it's going to take a drop.

Opec and Russia are colluding to cut production.

Why Russia stands to gain most from OPEC+ oil production cuts

 

[Organic Potatoes]

I'm not sure what they define as irrecoverable losses. Through many conflicts (WW1, WW2), Russia has almost always had losses that would break another country, but they keep on fighting and bringing on fresh recruits.
I'm well aware of Russian's demographic implosion, but 90k losses is not absolutely irrecoverable for a country of 146 million in a fight to the bitter end. Yes, replacing them, training them is going to be extremely hard, but Russia has pulled it off before. Just saying.

It isn’t losses they can’t recover from, it’s losses that won’t be recovered.

“Irrecoverable losses” is a category that includes servicemen who were killed, went missing, died from their wounds or were disabled and cannot return to military service.

edit: though one could argue if those were their best troops it would be impossible to recover from in the near-to-mid term.

 

[RoyH1]

Well its not a fight to the bitter end, nothing of the sort. There is no good reason for Russia to invade in the first place, never mind 1 day longer, they can end this at any time and get on with life. Its 90k losses for literally nothing. They also had allies in WW1/2, trade partners, materials flooding in by the million of tonnes. Not really comparable.

For us and any other sane person on planet Earth. Unfortunately it's Putin and his cronies calling the shots, and for them stopping the war now would be an unbearable humiliation.

 

[Simbo]

For us and any other sane person on planet Earth. Unfortunately it's Putin and his cronies calling the shots, and for them stopping the war now would be an unbearable humiliation.

Very true, and unfortunately, the Russian people for the most part don't realise its all for nothing.

 

[NotThatSoph]

NAFO, North Atlantic Fellas Organization, is some sort of troll/shitposting movement dedicated to counter Russian misinformation and propaganda online. It has made some waves, been mentioned in big media outlets and has support from political commentators, politicians and military people, Ukranian and American. Turns out the guy who started it all is a nazi, which is pretty bad optics. There's quite a bit of drama going on online now about whether or not to support him.

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[nimic]

NAFO, North Atlantic Fellas Organization, is some sort of troll/shitposting movement dedicated to counter Russian misinformation and propaganda online. It has made some waves, been mentioned in big media outlets and has support from political commentators, politicians and military people, Ukranian and American. Turns out the guy who started it all is a nazi, which is pretty bad optics. There's quite a bit of drama going on online now about whether or not to support him.

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Never heard of them.

 

[stefan92]

NAFO, North Atlantic Fellas Organization, is some sort of troll/shitposting movement dedicated to counter Russian misinformation and propaganda online. It has made some waves, been mentioned in big media outlets and has support from political commentators, politicians and military people, Ukranian and American. Turns out the guy who started it all is a nazi, which is pretty bad optics. There's quite a bit of drama going on online now about whether or not to support him.

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So a Polish Nazi hates Russia and shitposts against them? This is news now? Of course the historic right wing who hate Russia is involved in every action against them, obviously some of the most active people arguing and acting against Russia will be Nazis.

 

[MTF]

Never heard of them.

Was about to say the same.

 

[Mihai]

I'm not sure what they define as irrecoverable losses. Through many conflicts (WW1, WW2), Russia has almost always had losses that would break another country, but they keep on fighting and bringing on fresh recruits.
I'm well aware of Russian's demographic implosion, but 90k losses is not absolutely irrecoverable for a country of 146 million in a fight to the bitter end. Yes, replacing them, training them is going to be extremely hard, but Russia has pulled it off before. Just saying.

The definition is in the tweet.

 

[The United]

Never heard of them.

Just some usual hey look some guys are bad too stuff. Was it even relevant to this thread?

 

[groovyalbert]

At this point what do Russians really have to lose by taking to the streets? You're being thrown into the slaughterhouse either way. When contrasted with what's going on in Iran it's mad how complicit the public appear despite literally seeing their sons, brothers and fathers offered up like pawns. This is especially true for those who have already left Russia, where is their condemnation? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to be a pretty muted response to the mobilization/drafting of untrained and ill-prepared citizens.

 

[NotThatSoph]

Never heard of them.

So a Polish Nazi hates Russia and shitposts against them? This is news now? Of course the historic right wing who hate Russia is involved in every action against them, obviously some of the most active people arguing and acting against Russia will be Nazis.

Mentioned in outlets like The Economist, Wall Street Journal and Politico, supported by Adam Kinzinger and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. President and prime minister of Estonia, American major generals, etc. etc. That's why it's news. It's not like it matters in the grand scheme of things, but it is news.

Just some usual hey look some guys are bad too stuff. Was it even relevant to this thread?

Is it less relevant than all the posts about random Russians and Russian media people saying stuff?

 

[The United]

Is it less relevant than all the posts about random Russians and Russian media people saying stuff?

Yes.

 

[NotThatSoph]

Yes.

Why?