Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Mark Hertling's input on the recent events in Nova Khakova. The second tweet in that thread is important.

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If the Russians were hoping to slow down the UAF by blowing up the dam, they also cut the water supply of their own people in Crimea. It is peak stupidity and it reeks desperation.

edit: In the comments down Lt. Gen. Hertling's thread, someone directly compared that with the deliberate destruction of the Yellow River dam during WW2.

 

[Rajma]

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[Rajma]

The western world owes Ukraine a membership in NATO upon the end of the war and it should be announced during the upcoming NATO summit in Vilnius. Loud and clear. This should not be allowed to be repeated ever again.

 

[VorZakone]

So how does this affect water supply in Crimea then?

 

[Rajma]

Russia has already began shelling the evacuation points on the right bank with the help of drones in places where people are gathering. Every heckin russist will pay for it one way or another.

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[calodo2003]

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[Mike Smalling]

Don’t think I will ever view Russia or Russians the same after this. What a dump.

 

[FireballXL5]

Every day the Russians ramp up their utter cuntishness.

 

[Real Name]

Another step in Russian genocidal politics.

 

[RoadTrip]

At some point, enough has to be enough.

 

[Mike Smalling]

At some point, enough has to be enough.

If nuclear weapons didn’t exist, Putin would be six feet under right now. Thanks Oppenheimer.

 

[The Firestarter]

Here's an article about what might happen if the dam is blown. Looking at the maps, the East bank (southern at this point) is much lower lying than the West bank so the Russians will bear the brunt of the damage. It seems that Kherson will only have minor flooding in a few areas, while the Russian-occupied side will be inundated. The major issue could be the nuclear plant losing the water that cools it, which I guess could force the Russians to abandon it to let Ukraine deal with it.

https://cornucopia.se/2022/10/worst-case-modelling-for-nova-kakhovka-dam-break/

I'm also curious how they could've done this since it would take quite the hit to blow the dam.

Every Soviet style dam is constructed with secret critical spots to place explosives in that allow the quick collapse of the structure , for usage in war.

 

[nimic]

Every Soviet style dam is constructed with secret critical spots to place explosives in that allow the quick collapse of the structure , for usage in war.

Interesting, got a source for that?

 

[stefan92]

Interesting, got a source for that?

It's not only there, the same applies to a lot of infrastructure in West Germany that was build during the Cold War. It's a common strategic planning that you want to be able to easily destroy roads the enemy could use.

 

[The Firestarter]

Interesting, got a source for that?

Only talks with civil engineers in my country, which is not ex Soviet but ex Soviet bloc. I am not aware of any public doc.

 

[schwalbe]

Until I think 2014 switzerland had explosives in all bridges at borders and some other objects. So i would assume that a lot of countries do something similar.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

Finland have something like this too.

 

[B20]

at which point do western nations take the step of branding Russia a terrorist state?

 

[Simbo]

at which point do western nations take the step of branding Russia a terrorist state?

EU has already declared them a 'state sponsor' of terrorism, not sure if that's the same thing.

 

[Mike Smalling]

at which point do western nations take the step of branding Russia a terrorist state?

Should go fully gloves off at this point. Suspend any remaining business with Russia. Deport all Russian nationals. Freeze/claim all Russian assets in EU countries incl. real estate.

 

[Revan]

Should go fully gloves off at this point. Suspend any remaining business with Russia. Deport all Russian nationals. Freeze/claim all Russian assets in EU countries incl. real estate.

What does deporting the Russian nationals (many of then tend to be highly educated and despise Putin) achieve?

 

[rpitchfo]

What does deporting the Russian nationals (many of then tend to be highly educated and despise Putin) achieve?

Revolution,

Non-action is tacit approval.

It’s not enough to grumble on the sidelines. Power is cyclic, only when the momentum turns the other way will this end.

Go do something about Russian nationals.

 

[the hea]

Finland have something like this too.

No not in Finland but bridges here are built with ready made places for explosives. But no explosives are placed there in peace time.

 

[maniak]

Revolution,

Non-action is tacit approval.

It’s not enough to grumble on the sidelines. Power is cyclic, only when the momentum turns the other way will this end.

Go do something about Russian nationals.

Yeah lets send people who want to get away from a bad situation back into it.

 

[tomaldinho1]

This was something much publicised earlier in the war, that the Ukrainian's feared Russia would blow the dam, so I assume they would have planned for this scenario.

 

[onemanarmy]

No not in Finland but bridges here are built with ready made places for explosives. But no explosives are placed there in peace time.

Same for some bridges in Belgium.

 

[Revan]

Revolution,

Non-action is tacit approval.

It’s not enough to grumble on the sidelines. Power is cyclic, only when the momentum turns the other way will this end.

Go do something about Russian nationals.

I completely disagree with this take.

 

[the hea]

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[11101]

Until I think 2014 switzerland had explosives in all bridges at borders and some other objects. So i would assume that a lot of countries do something similar.

Yes. The Alpine tunnels are designed to be destroyed too. Can't have anybody stealing all the money

Quite a few countries have similar I think. Finland already mentioned, and Singapore has its highway runways.

 

[langster]

Yes. The Alpine tunnels are designed to be destroyed too. Can't have anybody stealing all the money

Quite a few countries have similar I think. Finland already mentioned, and Singapore has its highway runways.

Here in the UK we just have The Tories and our local councils to ensure our roads are unusable.

Oh a serious note, the videos of people being attacked whilst trying to evacuate the flooded regions are disgusting and some of the most upsetting videos I have seen. So fecking needless.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

No not in Finland but bridges here are built with ready made places for explosives. But no explosives are placed there in peace time.

Ah yes, that's what I meant.

 

[The Firestarter]

Yes. The Alpine tunnels are designed to be destroyed too. Can't have anybody stealing all the money

Quite a few countries have similar I think. Finland already mentioned, and Singapore has its highway runways.

How is a highway that doubles as a tarmac same as a easily destructible infrastructure? Or you meant something else.

 

[NicolaSacco]

This was something much publicised earlier in the war, that the Ukrainian's feared Russia would blow the dam, so I assume they would have planned for this scenario.

I fairly sure Ukraine flooded some areas north of Kiev in the first days of the war. Not sure if they specifically blew a dam, but they’ll surely have been aware of it as a defensive tactic if they’ve done similar themselves.

 

[the hea]

There are several 100 meters of the dam completly missing. I'm no sapper but to me nothing except a massive amount of planted explosives could cause this amount of damage.

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[tomaldinho1]

I fairly sure Ukraine flooded some areas north of Kiev in the first days of the war. Not sure if they specifically blew a dam, but they’ll surely have been aware of it as a defensive tactic if they’ve done similar themselves.

Yes of course, every military in the world will be aware of it as a strategic option. I mean specifically with regards to this dam being blown. This is all from last year:
Ukraine war: What is a 'dirty bomb' and is Russia planning to blow up the Nova Kakhovka dam? | World News | Sky News
Factbox: Is the Kakhovka dam in Ukraine about to be blown? | Reuters
Worst case modelling for Nova Kakhovka dam break (UPDATED) – Cornucopia?
Fears Putin could unleash 'water apocalypse' on liberated Kherson after chunks of key... - LBC

There was loads (I just googled nova kakhovka from last year and there were countless pieces on it) of articles specifically going through this exact scenario. Ukraine is hardly going to think Russia care about human rights violations or war crimes etc. so they must have known they would likely do this this as it seems a pretty fool proof way to stop any advances there.

 

[the hea]

Russia has destroyed some more Leopards.

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[11101]

How is a highway that doubles as a tarmac same as a easily destructible infrastructure? Or you meant something else.

More that lots of countries have last stand measures in place. Switzerland also has the highway runways, and they used to have about 1,000 bridges and tunnels permanently rigged with explosives. They took the explosives away a few years ago but they could be put back if needed.

 

[Raoul]

Russia has destroyed some more Leopards.

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Gerasimov has probably briefed this to Putin as a win.

 

[The Firestarter]

More that lots of countries have last stand measures in place. Switzerland also has the highway runways, and they used to have about 1,000 bridges and tunnels permanently rigged with explosives. They took the explosives away a few years ago but they could be put back if needed.

Sweden has designed all jets rugged enough to take off from roads too.

 

[Abizzz]

Russia has destroyed some more Leopards.

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Really hope their wasn't a pour soul farming away in there.