Maybe but we should be aiming for 100% of over 5's (or whatever minimum age the Modena/Pfizer trials show are safe). Governments are such cowards. All vaccines (not just covid) should be mandated with tax/medicare/social security penalties for not complying. If you want to be a selfish and stupid cnut then you should contribute to the cost. School and University enrolments should also be conditional on being fully vaccinated.
I'm not seeing it. This isn't a polio where a lifetime of (near absolute) protection can be provided as an infant. The vaccines massively reduce the impact of the virus, but they don't stop it and given its global spread (and animal reservoirs) it will stay around.
The most important thing here that the media refuses to acknowledge as it creates sensationalist headlines, is that the most important factor to consider is the number of hospitalizations. If those go down then we can officially stop labelling it a pandemic. Taking Ireland's example, we've had around 1700-1800 cases a day for the last 3-4 days, but an increase of around 10-12 hospitalisations a day. So that's approximately one person in every 180 that's getting hospitalised. Depending on the hospital capacities of a particular country, we will see the pandemic end at different times. For instance, for Ireland this number is still of concern, but as an Indian, even 10 times this number a day in India would be considered the end of the pandemic.
It's unknown. We know that there are a group of people, taking immune-suppressants or immune compromised in some other way who need a third dose. Not just as a booster but to get the full effect of the vaccine.
I'm not suggesting we should stay locked down until we reach HIT or even just very high levels of immunisation but with improved vaccines that better deal with Delta better I do think it should be an aim. No doubt we won't eliminate in the short or medium term.
That's a fantastically useful reply, thank you.
A couple of interesting bits of info emerging in those threads:
Case rates per 100k adults.
Green - fully vaxxed
Yellow - unvaxxed
One observation that might be of concern for other countries as well is that a lot of the infections are in people who are vaccinated with single dose Janssen. That may be confused by the fact that it's mostly been used with young adults and that's also the group with the highest case rate and number of unvaxxed people. Plus some of them may only be a couple of weeks post-vaccine and there is some evidence that it gets steadily more effective over the next few weeks.
Some early real world data though is suggesting that J&J may be behaving like first dose AZ - rather than a true single dose product. I'm sure a lot of countries are keeping an eye on that, particularly with Delta.
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Thanks. So J&J is really shit as I thought (regarding infections, fine-ish for hospitalisations). It has been given a lot less than Pfizer, also in the under 30s.
I’d be interested to know how similar the Icelandic split of the various vaccines is to other EU countries. I’d imagine it’s fairly similar?
You can find it from the ecdc site. Yeah the only differences will come if countries didn't use J&J or AZ, at all or for some age groups. Finland didn't use J&J at all for example.
Just checked for Ireland and j&j is <4% of doses given. We’ve tended to use whatever is available so doubt that figure is much higher anywhere else in the EU.
Yeah, seems like Iceland is an anomaly and others are around Ireland's numbers. Although of course 4% doses means about 8% of people.
That’s interesting
I've had long covid for a fair amount of time now. I originally had some fatigue which has gone now and now have problems with my breathing which is being dealt with by the hospital, but haven't had the concentration and memory issues (any more than usual anyway...)
As a pulmonary physician I can tell you I have a few patients with long covid, not necessarily young patients, in fact I haven't seen many young people with it. Most of these patients I have, have respiratory issues, single most common phenotype is asthma/reactive airways. Not surprising cuz we know post viral asthma is a thing.
You could ask your doctor if it’s possibly that you could be tested for C19 antibodies? You may have had an asymptomatic infection at some point as you know, I´m sure. Sounds like it could just be your meds and new work too.
I hope you get 100% well mate. Just keep working.
I´m guessing now that covid (at least in my country) is driven forward by the young er generation, 15-25 y.o., we´ll know more about long covid statistics among young people in a few months time over here. Been a spike in numbers this summer in that age group. I hope it’s like you say, that not that many young people are struggling. I have young kids myself (10m and 4y) and it seems very likely that they´ll be exposed to the virus before getting a vaccine, unless they start giving vaccines to kids as well.
Is that showing up on their FEV1/FVC? Would be one of very few long covid symptoms you can measure objectively, if so. Although I guess you’re unlikely to know their baseline lung function, which must muddy the waters a bit.
Dont get me wrong. I am not saying that. Just saying I haven't had those patients, young people with long covid
No. It wont if its more of an asthma/RADs picture.
RADs?
Yep. Like typical asthma.
That’s interesting. I’m sure I read that bronchocontriction isn’t a feature of acute covid infection. So this asthma like picture is purely post-viral?
I have seen a couple of COPD patients with acute bronchoconstriction but typically no.
The traditional three symptoms don’t seem to be necessary for delta, which seems to often present like a heavy cold. Or even hayfever. You’re definitely doing the right thing.
Heil Wibble.
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Nearly but even I accept that holding people down and sticking the needle in is perhaps a step too far much thought it sounds great in principal.
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Never diagnosed with covid but had symptoms early 2020 when testing was not prevalent. Was also on the plane that is believed to have brought the cases from Austria to Germany
If you have in fact had the virus, you could be eligible for a covid passport if you have those in your home country. Maybe request a test for antibodies? Unless you are fully vaccinated of course.
