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Here's a gossip piece in the Mail, where it says:

"It is believed the Spanish international is tied down at the Wanda Metropolitano until 2026 but he does have a £135m release clause. Under the terms of Niguez' contract, Atletico would only be entitled to £81m of that and would be forced to shell out the extra £54m just to retain him."

Can anyone explain to me what the sentence in italics means? If the release clause is triggered, where does the extra 54m go?

If this could happen, I'd be fine with 135m for Pogba.
He's part owned By Jorge Mendes and Peter Kenyon's company (I think).
 

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He's part owned By Jorge Mendes and Peter Kenyon's company (I think).
Wow. So it would definitely be in their interest to see him sold. The only downside of this would be Kenyon making money on this.
 

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Here's a gossip piece in the Mail, where it says:

"It is believed the Spanish international is tied down at the Wanda Metropolitano until 2026 but he does have a £135m release clause. Under the terms of Niguez' contract, Atletico would only be entitled to £81m of that and would be forced to shell out the extra £54m just to retain him."

Can anyone explain to me what the sentence in italics means? If the release clause is triggered, where does the extra 54m go?

If this could happen, I'd be fine with 135m for Pogba.
My understanding is that his rights are 40% owned by a third party controlled by Mendez, and that if that third party decide they want to accept an offer but Atletico decide not to sell, then they are contractually bound to buy out the third party ownership stake.

This is based on the very brief but I've read of the media claims around the whole situation.
 

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Here's a gossip piece in the Mail, where it says:

"It is believed the Spanish international is tied down at the Wanda Metropolitano until 2026 but he does have a £135m release clause. Under the terms of Niguez' contract, Atletico would only be entitled to £81m of that and would be forced to shell out the extra £54m just to retain him."

Can anyone explain to me what the sentence in italics means? If the release clause is triggered, where does the extra 54m go?

If this could happen, I'd be fine with 135m for Pogba.
I think it means if somebody bids and Athletic don’t want to sell but the company who own a share of him do ( Mendez/Kenyon), then they (AM) would be obligated to purchase the 40% stake in that Mendes/Kenyon own.
 

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My understanding is that his rights are 40% owned by a third party controlled by Mendez, and that if that third party decide they want to accept an offer but Atletico decide not to sell, then they are contractually bound to buy out the third party ownership stake.

This is based on the very brief but I've read of the media claims around the whole situation.
I think it means if somebody bids and Athletic don’t want to sell but the company who own a share of him do ( Mendez/Kenyon), then they (AM) would be obligated to purchase the 40% stake in that Mendes/Kenyon own.
Thanks. This explains it. Makes it harder to acquire him then.
 

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My understanding is that his rights are 40% owned by a third party controlled by Mendez, and that if that third party decide they want to accept an offer but Atletico decide not to sell, then they are contractually bound to buy out the third party ownership stake.

This is based on the very brief but I've read of the media claims around the whole situation.
That makes more sense than what was written in the article. Do you know if there's anything in these reports of him having fallen out with the Atletico hierarchy?
 

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Thanks. This explains it. Makes it harder to acquire him then.
It actually probably makes it easier.

In the theoretical situation whereby we bid, say, €120m and the Mendez controlled company want to accept it, Atletico would need to pay €48m just to keep hold of him.

In that situation their hand may be forced.

With that said, I don't see us coughing up that level of cash and I also don't see him wanting to come.
 

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That makes more sense than what was written in the article. Do you know if there's anything in these reports of him having fallen out with the Atletico hierarchy?
No clue, I'm just interpreting the media reports around his ownership.
 

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Thanks. This explains it. Makes it harder to acquire him then.
Potentially, if what is reported is true then it should make it easier. Atletico have already spent a substantial amount and would probably struggle to come up with the funds and would undoubtedly resent having to “purchase” a player who is already theirs. Also Kenyon and Mendes will most likely want to sell as soon as a viable offer comes in, if he spends his career with Madrid they will see minimal return for their investment, so will want to sell when his stock is highest, which would likely be now. The problem would be convincing him to come this season when we are in a weak position.
 

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It actually probably makes it easier.

In the theoretical situation whereby we bid, say, €120m and the Mendez controlled company want to accept it, Atletico would need to pay €48m just to keep hold of him.

In that situation their hand may be forced.

With that said, I don't see us coughing up that level of cash and I also don't see him wanting to come.
Potentially, if what is reported is then it should make it easier. Atletico have already spent a substantial amount and would probably struggle to come up with the funds and would undoubtedly resent having to “purchase” a player who is already theirs. Also Kenyon and Mendes will most likely want to sell as soon as a viable offer comes in, if he spends his career with Madrid they will see minimal return for their investment so will want to sell when his stock is highest, which would likely be now. The problem would be convincing him to come this season when we are in a weak position.
OK cheers. The way I understood it is this only came in effect if the full release clause was met. If we made a bid below it, Atletico could reject it without having to fork out anything to the co-owners.

Yes, the hard part is convincing the player. But, if we have seriously ambitious plans in place, this could be a good time for him to leave with Griezmann and Costa off, as well as Rodri. And hopefully, it's true that there are problems between him and the management. Anyone know anything about that?

edit: I needed to bold that "if".
 

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Man would he be perfect.

If we could land a Saul / Fernandes / Longstaff midfield for say, Pogba's fee plus ~£50m I think that would be fantastic business.

My head tells me it's impossible of course, but then you think of the clear-out going on at Atletico at the moment, the fact that he's been there for a long time now - Maybe he fancies a change?

Can't see it happening of course but hey, a guy can dream.
 

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Saul - Bruno- Longstaff -AWB - James and a replacement for Lukaku
Would be a very good window in my Opinion. Even if it meant losing Pogba but I think that's inevitable anyway
 

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Potentially, if what is reported is true then it should make it easier. Atletico have already spent a substantial amount and would probably struggle to come up with the funds and would undoubtedly resent having to “purchase” a player who is already theirs. Also Kenyon and Mendes will most likely want to sell as soon as a viable offer comes in, if he spends his career with Madrid they will see minimal return for their investment, so will want to sell when his stock is highest, which would likely be now. The problem would be convincing him to come this season when we are in a weak position.
But you have to bid the release amount though. Anything less, AM can reject . There is a reason why clauses are in place?
 

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But you have to bid the release amount though. Anything less, AM can reject . There is a reason why clauses are in place?
That's not how it's structured from what I've read.

AM have to inform the Mendez company of any offer and if they wish to accept it then AM have to either comply or buy-out the 40%.
 

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But you have to bid the release amount though. Anything less, AM can reject . There is a reason why clauses are in place?
My understanding is based on that article, which isn’t itself too clear. But i think if a 3rd party does own 40%, It would make sense that if Madrid were to hypothetically reject any bid below the stated release clause they would need to compensate the 3rd party if the 3rd party owner wanted to sell by giving them the 40% they would have potentially received.

I.e if a club offered 100 mil and Madrid rejected and the 3rd party wanted to sell at that price, they would then need to pay 40 million to purchase the 40% themselves to compensate.

The article saying about if Madrid want to keep him if the release clause is met is irrelevant as what they would want is a moot point, as we have already seen that once a release clause is paid the club wishes are inconsequential. That’s why I think it means if they want to keep him against the 3rd party’s wishes they would need to buy them out if anything under comes in, which if true would potentially force their hand if good offer is made.
 

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I've not seen a great deal of him but on a stats sheet he looks very average. He doesn't even seem to make enough passes to replace Herrera's input in the team, let alone Pogbas, and the price that keeps being quoted seems massive. All of a sudden we're being linked with this guy and milinkovic-savic again and i'm really not convinced by either, certainly at the quoted prices.
 

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Can't think of many, if any, midfield signings that would suit us more, or who would be a better signing. Rate him higher than Pogba. If we could get Fernandes and Saul with most of the funds coming from Pogba money, we are cheering.
 

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My understanding is based on that article, which isn’t itself too clear. But i think if a 3rd party does own 40%, It would make sense that if Madrid were to hypothetically reject any bid below the stated release clause they would need to compensate the 3rd party if the 3rd party owner wanted to sell by giving them the 40% they would have potentially received.

I.e if a club offered 100 mil and Madrid rejected and the 3rd party wanted to sell at that price, they would then need to pay 40 million to purchase the 40% themselves to compensate.

The article saying about if Madrid want to keep him if the release clause is met is irrelevant as what they would want is a moot point, as we have already seen that once a release clause is paid the club wishes are inconsequential. That’s why I think it means if they want to keep him against the 3rd party’s wishes they would need to buy them out if anything under comes in, which if true would potentially force their hand if good offer is made.
That's not how it's structured from what I've read.

AM have to inform the Mendez company of any offer and if they wish to accept it then AM have to either comply or buy-out the 40%.
Cheers both. Would be brilliant if we can pull this off. Hope we already have an agreement in place with the player.
 

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Question is why would anyone want to play in the EL? No big player is going to join us
 

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Well that’s just simply not true is it?

Unless you assume the likes of Pogba/Zlatan are not ‘big players’?
They joined us when missing out on CL was seen just as an anomaly for us. We had a manager who was still regarded as an elite manager.

What do we have now? Try comparing the circumstances
 

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They joined us when missing out on CL was not seen just as an anomaly for us. We had a manager who was still regarded as an elite manager.

What do we have now? Try comparing the circumstances
Your initial post didn’t state that though did it? You simply said that without Champions League football no big player will sign for us.

Whilst I agree our reputation is more damaged now, I still believe we can attract a high quality of football player to the club.
 

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Your initial post didn’t state that though did it? You simply said that without Champions League football no big player will sign for us.

Whilst I agree our reputation is more damaged now, I still believe we can attract a high quality of football player to the club.
How exactly? We have no direction, a yes-man as a manager, we pay huge wages to players like Sanchez, top players wanting to leave the club. Who in their right minds would want to join us leaving behind CL and a chance to challenge for some silverware?
 

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Question is why would anyone want to play in the EL? No big player is going to join us
No I don't think it's about the relevancy of the club it's that no big players will want to play for Solskjaer. Even if we had top four I reckon we would have struggled for top players.
 

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He's part owned By Jorge Mendes and Peter Kenyon's company (I think).
Saul would be a great replacement for Matic. I hope we can get Saul ahead of SMS. I wouldn't mind getting Saul and Tielemens with the Pogba money. It would be money well spent.
 

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Saul would be a great replacement for Matic. I hope we can get Saul ahead of SMS. I wouldn't mind getting Saul and Tielemens with the Pogba money. It would be money well spent.
Tielemans is almost a Leicester player now. Saul is not really a Matic type player, he's a versatile #8.
 

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No I don't think it's about the relevancy of the club it's that no big players will want to play for Solskjaer. Even if we had top four I reckon we would have struggled for top players.
That's fairly harsh . When Pep took over at Barca he didnt have a massive coaching reputation to name one nor did Zidane ay Real, Klopp did it a different way as Poch this is not a matter of just throwing money at it take Mark Hughes at city or any number of Chelsea managers or Mou here etc . Let's be honest here players want two things nowadays
1) the highest level football e.g champions league world cup euros etc. to sell themselves on Instagram and whatever else
2) big money (who can blame them )

I will judge OGS after he has a chance ,see what we can bring in and let him at it . I'm one of those old boys that remembers when Fergie nearly got sacked early on ( he did have a better Portfolio with what he did with Aberdeen ) . This club is in transition as far as I can make out and one or two signings wont make us into world beaters . We need to start putting the right structure in place , it won't be tomorrow but small steps can start an amazing journey
 

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How exactly? We have no direction, a yes-man as a manager, we pay huge wages to players like Sanchez, top players wanting to leave the club. Who in their right minds would want to join us leaving behind CL and a chance to challenge for some silverware?
As a fan, it’s easy to be a underwhelmed by our lack of progress over the past few years, but as of now, we are still a big club, with big financial resources, a big fan base and we are playing in a league which attracts the biggest interest and attention worldwide. This certainly contributes towards attracting these big players you speak of.

It is the responsibility of someone at the club (I assume Woodward/OGS) to convince such players of our new project - and yes, I think it’s safe to say we have embarked on a new project now under OGS and are becoming more strategic when it comes to identifying talent who fit the philosophy of the club better.

Again, I’m not denying that our reputation hasn’t taken a hit, but I genuinely do believe we can still attract some of the best players.
 

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Tielemans is almost a Leicester player now. Saul is not really a Matic type player, he's a versatile #8.
That's what's shite about our board..... We waited for Pogba situation to get resolved and one by one we're losing out on quality players. We did it with Ndombele and we'll let Tielemans go to Leicester where he'll be bought for 40m and have a crazy season and be valued at 85m (just like Maguire). We should have gotten Maguire last season when we could have gotten him for 50m.... I do agree that Saul is not a Matic type of player but Saul is a mixture of a 6 and 8. We could play Saul and a box to box in a midfield two and have Bruno up top of the diamond.
 

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I've not seen a great deal of him but on a stats sheet he looks very average. He doesn't even seem to make enough passes to replace Herrera's input in the team, let alone Pogbas, and the price that keeps being quoted seems massive. All of a sudden we're being linked with this guy and milinkovic-savic again and i'm really not convinced by either, certainly at the quoted prices.
This is why you can’t judge player based on stats. He’s much better than Herrra in passing & more versatile. He won’t be replacing Herrera directly, he will be replacing Herrera’s spot but replacing half of Pogba’s duty as deep playmaker. The other half of Pogba’s duty will be replaced by attacking mid.

Herrera’s defensively is impressive which probably be given for McTominay or Fred. Someone more defensive mid or energetic.
 

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He’s the no 8 that Jose was expecting from Pogba. Hard working, flair, willing to defend & with good passing ability. If we can sell Pogba around £140m to £150m, without a doubt we have money to pay his clause but the issue is why would the player want to move away from his boyhood club to join us. Can’t see this happening but if it’s happening, I will consider him as perfect replacement for Pogba/Herrera.
 

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It actually probably makes it easier.

In the theoretical situation whereby we bid, say, €120m and the Mendez controlled company want to accept it, Atletico would need to pay €48m just to keep hold of him.

In that situation their hand may be forced.

With that said, I don't see us coughing up that level of cash and I also don't see him wanting to come.
I Really don't think it does as i'm 99% they would just pay the 48 million as the money wouldn't be for nothing, they would then own all of him and at 24 years old they could keep him for at least another 2 seasons at least and still sell him for silly money, maybe even more than the 135 million euros in the clause?

They may fancy taking the 135 million euro value (their share of the fee and not having having to pay the 48) but they sure as hell wont feel any pressure to sell. Especially after losing Greizeman as they know the money doesn't stretch far when trying to replace their best players.
 

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No I don't think it's about the relevancy of the club it's that no big players will want to play for Solskjaer. Even if we had top four I reckon we would have struggled for top players.
This

Even if we triggered the release clause, which we won't, no top class player with decent advice would join us at the moment, a rudderless club with clueless broad and a second rate manager.
 

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This is why you can’t judge player based on stats. He’s much better than Herrra in passing & more versatile. He won’t be replacing Herrera directly, he will be replacing Herrera’s spot but replacing half of Pogba’s duty as deep playmaker. The other half of Pogba’s duty will be replaced by attacking mid.

Herrera’s defensively is impressive which probably be given for McTominay or Fred. Someone more defensive mid or energetic.
I agree to an extent that there's more to a player than stats and I have seen the player bits and pieces in the past but at the same time stats provide hard evidence beyond style which is largely a matter of taste, of what a player actually contributed in factual output. In Saul's case 4 goals and just one assist in the league. About 45 passes a match. That's not great by any standards. 2.5 tackles a game is pretty good but not special. I've not seen his running stats but obviously the way athletico play you'd expect him to be a busy player but that's not a special or remarkable attribute. I'm just not seeing how this player improves us more than a lot of the players a fraction of the price.