Pretty sure the comparison is in style rather than quality.
Sean Longstaff
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It's a no from me. If he performs well again next year then yes but I wouldn't trust spunking money on someone who's played 9 games to be a starter. Dalot was signed to be backup.
If he plays well, he will be quoted 50+ m. And Dalot was not signed as a back up option.
We signed a player who'd played mostly second division football to be a starter over Valencia, Shaw, Darmian and Young?
We signed a kid with huge potential whose value could have gone up had he stayed with Porto for more years. Our options were so shit that he had to be considered much earlier than everyone had anticipated.
Than he becomes 50m rated like Rice. It doesn't hurt to take him. It hurts to stop buying further because we took him with this board .
I think Jose rated him very highly and had a plan to ease him into the first team. But Jose is not here anymore and it's not yet clear whether Ole rates him as highly
Get the lad in for the right price. I mean, all the Geordies are raving about him and anyone who has seen him play seems to rate him. I don’t see any downsides to this.
It’s because he’s from Tyneside, like Carrick. Lazy journalism.
I agree. But he was never signed as someone to immediately compete for a starting spot, regardless of his injury. Was signed to be on the bench and eventually become a starter.
With the current state of the midfield, Longstaff would be being signed as someone who's in the first XI .
If we’re in for him he’ll have been extensively scouted. We won’t be chasing a player on the back of a handful of games.
No problem with this. Other clubs take a punt on young players and we’ve then got people on here clamouring did the club to buy them three years later at five times the price.
To be honest the stats don’t really tell the whole story. If you look at his 9 league games, 3 of them he got less than rating of 7 while the rest of the 6 were rating of 7 or more.The stats being talked about obviously. Whoscored's stats.
So according to their formula, Newcastle's players performed better than ours. But ours obviously ended up with a lot more points
3 of those games, one was he only played 17 mins against Liverpool, full 90 min against Chelsea & played half against west ham due to injury.
Very very good player. Few games yes but technique is technique and he reminds me of a more mobile carrick. Excellent long range passing with either foot and long range goals from those longish carrick legs. If we wait another season he will be 70m quid.
I like him but not sure he’s attainable at the mo. Ashley would be foolish to sell before a new manager is appointed. This could take a while to both appoint, and new manager to then assess. Think we need to move on or else it could be too late.
Really don't see the problem with this sort of signing if its around 20m. 20m is peanuts nowadays.
Dan James + Longstaff for a combined £50m.
If one of them fails and gets sold for £10m, but the other one fulfills their potential and becomes a £100m player, it's still be massively worth it.
These kinds of transfers are gambles. Like small stakes at a casino, you don't judge each bet on its own. You take several gambles into consideration and then trust your own skill to come out on top at the end of the night.
Fergie was the master at this sort of thing. For every failure, he had a major success. By the time his career came to an end, he was well ahead of the curve.
Ole's following the same formula of looking for unrealised world class potential, and then hoovering up as much of it as possible for peanuts. Even if only a fraction make it, it'll still be worth it.
If one of them fails and gets sold for £10m, but the other one fulfills their potential and becomes a £100m player, it's still be massively worth it.
These kinds of transfers are gambles. Like small stakes at a casino, you don't judge each bet on its own. You take several gambles into consideration and then trust your own skill to come out on top at the end of the night.
Fergie was the master at this sort of thing. For every failure, he had a major success. By the time his career came to an end, he was well ahead of the curve.
Ole's following the same formula of looking for unrealised world class potential, and then hoovering up as much of it as possible for peanuts. Even if only a fraction make it, it'll still be worth it.
AWB, Longstaff and James is about 100m spent.
Would we have really improved that much for that sort of £££ spent?
Would we have really improved that much for that sort of £££ spent?
Depends how good they are.
I’d wager only AWB would be a starter.
I'd like to believe Longstaff will start as well. He has to.
Realistically players like Longstaff and James would be signings for the long term rather than ones expected to make a huge immediate impact.
We were only five points off fourth last year though, so they don't need to individually make a huge difference to at least help us close that gap.
Plus the fee we pay for them is only part of their overall cost. One would imagine that they would be on relatively low wages as compared to more established players we could sign, or indeed some of the players they would effectively be replacing.
Haven't had a specialist fullback since Gary Nev called it quits, so yeah, i'd say we improved tenfold just from AWB alone
Thats a question that can only really be answered in 3 to 5 years time. If we get 1 out of 3 right it's not a disaster, 2 out 3 right and we're well ahead on the deal
All players on those lists are judged by their sub appearances too. So same thing, it doesnt tell the whole story for them either. Thats why its fair to compare
My point is that he only had three games below 7 and those three games only one of them he played 90 mins. While others probably have majority 6. If it doesn’t tell the whole story then there is no way to judge if it’s fair or no.
Funny isn't it, so many holes in their rating system but somehow people take their rating too seriously.
If we go by their rating Robertson is 5th best LB in the league behind Digne, Alonso (
), Matt Ritchie.In the attacking 3 positions
Mahrez > Salah
Matrial is the 7th best winger in the league.
Rashford is better than Auba
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Well that particular poster seems to lean on stats for everything so it's not surprising coming from him. He probably knows he is wrong but proceeds to to dig a bigger hole.Funny isn't it, so many holes in their rating system but somehow people take their rating too seriously.
If we go by their rating Robertson is 5th best LB in the league behind Digne, Alonso (
In the attacking 3 positions
Mahrez > Salah
Matrial is the 7th best winger in the league.
Rashford is better than Auba
All I have seen of Longstaff is YouTube clips and he looks like a player with good technique and can score a goal
Reports I have read are that he is a passionate Geordie and Newcastle means everything to him
I would think that 25mil on him is a shrewd enough investment and a lot better than spending 40mil on Matic a couple of seasons ago who is hopeless now.
Reports I have read are that he is a passionate Geordie and Newcastle means everything to him
I would think that 25mil on him is a shrewd enough investment and a lot better than spending 40mil on Matic a couple of seasons ago who is hopeless now.
Naby Keita is the best CM who doesn't play for City.
Always knew he was better than Pogba.
We haven't even signed him and the knives are out already fan base has become so toxic around here
fan base has become so toxic around hereEveryone is shit until proven otherwise - RedCafeWe haven't even signed him and the knives are out already
I'm going to go ahead and suggest that neither Dan James nor Longstaff will ever have a bid of £100 million for them.
I'd be surprised if either have a £50 million bid for them, but you never know
At 22, Michael Carrick had 4 seasons of PL football. Racking in over 100 PL football appearances for West Ham. At the same age, Longstaff has 9.
People comparing Longstaff to Carrick baffles me, also. Because the comparison is totally disgraceful to one of the best central midfielders we’ve ever had.
Villa just signed a fairly unknown striker from Belgium for 30m, I’d say AWB was a snip.
Ole is trying to get us back to that long turn road of success. Buying players that they believe will come good and that will stay here for the long run is the right way to go. Losing your best players and having to immediately replace them with equally as good players makes it hard to keep the success running.
You want players in your squad that you know will want to stay here for as long as possible and really wants to play for this club and shirt. Not for the manager. Not for a short period of time until some other big club in Europe comes knocking - i.e. keep away from Mino Raiola clients.
The hard part is to have the vision whether a player will actually come good or not, but both of the signings Ole has done this summer are players that you really don’t expect will leave if they turn out to be successful or if the manager leaves.
Longstaff fits into this category as well.
But someone like Neves, Ndombélé or Rabiot is way more questionable.
This.
And what if these sort of players don't turn out to be successful? Then they will hang around like a bad smell too, as they know they won't get a bigger or better gig than United. Please see exhibit A and B for evidence: Jones and Smalling
Buying young hungry players is fine, but you have to have a blend with more established foreign and domestic players. A good team is always about a blend of players.
The reason players like Pogba et al want to move on after a few years is because the football is dire, we have no style of play, managers who don't know how to get the best out of their players and we simply are not winning things. If that was the case do you think players would want to move on?
I think it’s more to do with style of play more then anything. But yeah two were playing at very different levels at 22.
Thing is if one was to fail you would still be looking at a profit these days, it's a no brainer.
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