Yeah, this kind of thing is merely a rationalisation. In general, and not confining the debate purely to Case’s red card, there’s so much empirical evidence of an ABU agenda that it’s damn difficult to ignore. But we will always be accused of bias- and that’s true, too. If I wasn’t ‘biased’ I wouldn’t be a Utd fan. I confess. Doesn’t mean we’re wrong, though.
So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)
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That's actually an insane quote from him.
Yeah, you used to get charged with violent conduct after games if it had been missed. If they all agree that Cas was correctly sent off then they should be charging Ayew.
Look, we can’t go retrospectively banning people when VAR already saw the incident and took no action because they can’t be expected to deal see and deal with everything.That's actually an insane quote from him.
Yeah, you used to get charged with violent conduct after games if it had been missed. If they all agree that Cas was correctly sent off then they should be charging Ayew.
Bizarre. I hadn't realised they stopped retrospectively banning people because of VAR. That's ridiculous.
In the Six Nations a French player should have been sent off but the ref watched 5 million replays and decided it was only a yellow. The player was still cited and will have to attend a review with an independent panel and could get a ban regardless of what the ref's decision was.
They need to stop trying to pretend refs are infallible and tying themselves into knots to justify bad decisions.
Thats were rugby is far better and the standard of reffing is at a much higher level, they work in tandem with the tech they have and are highly respected in most cases as compared to football. Its crazy the amount of protection the refs get in football, its always about the refs not being wrong rather than coming to the correct decision. As a lot of people keep saying, its the inconsistency thats the major issue. I voted yellow card in this poll because we see this happening regularly without anything coming of it.
Also the whole thing about needing to appeal a terrible decision is awful, if its wrong it should be reviewed and overturned regardless.
And some of the excused we are hearing are laughable "We forgot to draw the lines"
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I never understand the comparisions to rubgy. They are completely different games. Completely different.
Rugby isn't a game full of subjective decisions. Rugby players aren't trying to cheat constantly for an advantage because its very very hard to cheat. They get in constant scuffles that would see half the team sent off if it was football and there is no punishment because its rugby. If you don't like something an opposition player has done you can try and murder him (within the rules) next time you tackle him. You can't do that in football.
Yes football could learn a few things from rugby but considering how awful football crowds are I don't think they will ever mic up the ref. Footballs biggest issue is currently the completely useless and inconsistent VAR implementation. Its not even subjective decisions they are getting wrong, its the ones that 99% of supporters know are wrong.
It would help if they came out and explained decisions that are seemingly just straight up wrong. They occasionally apologise for a really bad decisions but to use United as a good example:
- Why did Casemiro get a red and Ayew got away with it completely. Why are United being brought up on separate charges to Palace as a result.
- Why are United being brought up on any charges when we see that sort of scuffle most weekends in one or more games
- Why was the Wout goal disallowed when the defender appeared to play it to him.
If they came out and explained their reasoning then people would have far more respect for them.
Rugby isn't a game full of subjective decisions. Rugby players aren't trying to cheat constantly for an advantage because its very very hard to cheat. They get in constant scuffles that would see half the team sent off if it was football and there is no punishment because its rugby. If you don't like something an opposition player has done you can try and murder him (within the rules) next time you tackle him. You can't do that in football.
Yes football could learn a few things from rugby but considering how awful football crowds are I don't think they will ever mic up the ref. Footballs biggest issue is currently the completely useless and inconsistent VAR implementation. Its not even subjective decisions they are getting wrong, its the ones that 99% of supporters know are wrong.
It would help if they came out and explained decisions that are seemingly just straight up wrong. They occasionally apologise for a really bad decisions but to use United as a good example:
- Why did Casemiro get a red and Ayew got away with it completely. Why are United being brought up on separate charges to Palace as a result.
- Why are United being brought up on any charges when we see that sort of scuffle most weekends in one or more games
- Why was the Wout goal disallowed when the defender appeared to play it to him.
If they came out and explained their reasoning then people would have far more respect for them.
Well they are both ball sports and use Video assistant ref systems to help officiate on field decisions, thats how they are comparable.
I do agree with you though, regarding subjective issues in football. Rugby has a more clear and defined set of rules and a better reffing association in place to deal with these issues.
Do you actually watch rugby? The try to murder him comment I'm assuming was tongue in cheek but it's a bit of a nonsense and Rugby players are constantly trying to cheat or push the rules as far they can. The breakdown is a minefield of pushing the laws to their absolute limit.
I don't see how the suggestions as what rugby do right with video refs and how football could follow suit are negated by any of your points.
Yes it's more suited to video but there are still subjective calls and while people still complain, it's not too bad because you hear the refs reasoning and if as I pointed out a yellow was given when it should have been a red for example there is still a process whereby the player can be sanctioned.
More transparency is what is required. A change of mindset away from constantly trying to protecting the refs towards a focus on correct decision and being able to hear the conversations between on-field Ref and VAR would go a long way to clearing up the inconsistencies in decision making.
The reason refs won’t ever get mic’d up in football isn’t because of awful football crowds it’s because of awful football players.
No consistency and decisions going against Man United nothing new i suppose.
Well we knew that really, my biggest surprise was the amount of United fans on here defending the refereeing and saying it was a cert red. It's clearly not and totally open to whether or not VAR want's to get involved.
The FA would never help or side with us. Never. Can’t remember the last time we even bothered to appeal let alone won one.
On the contrary, remember when Rooney was banned 2 matches for swearing too near a camera on the pitch?
You can make this shite up.
On the contrary, remember when Rooney was banned 2 matches for swearing too near a camera on the pitch?
You can make this shite up.
Yes was surprised also, I was even told by one poster here that football wasn't for me if I thought it wasn't a deserved red card.
Yeah ended up missing FA Cup Semi with City
So much talk, discussions and dissecting gone in vain. It's quite clear - English refs are corrupted or literally brain dead. Since the latter is not true, then we are left with the former. The FA is running a theatre, a show. That's the only explanation in my books.
It is a red card offence. Even Ten Haag said he went too far.
The issue here is not Casemiro, it’s why there is no consistency to apply it in all occasions
Exactly. The red card is understandable by the rules of the game, but it seems like the rules only applies whenever the refs decides they want to.
I swear if Rashford didn’t score that goal against City, Casemiro wouldn’t have been sent off.
What are the rules of the game regarding grabbing an opposition player?
I think 2 or 3 yellows for each team would have made the most sense but it's still about 90% Casemiro's fault for putting himself in a position to be carded there.
What bothered me more was that the referee pretty clearly decided to give Palace the draw after that, as if we needed extra punishment on top of the red card. Case in point, the awful foul call on Sabitzer that came only after he had made the through ball to set up Rashford.
What bothered me more was that the referee pretty clearly decided to give Palace the draw after that, as if we needed extra punishment on top of the red card. Case in point, the awful foul call on Sabitzer that came only after he had made the through ball to set up Rashford.
It feels like to me Ref's are making rules and judgement as they go along. I agree referee's can make mistakes, sometimes they dont see the action because so much is going on.
The issue is the VAR referee's, who have time, replays and different angles. The one with Casemiro, he told the ref to go review it and showed 1 angle and a still. Then did no look at Ayew and we had sky sports ref saying he cant see all of it. That is a joke in itself, this is the highest level of football.
The level of consistency is so low, multiple VAR mistakes a week.
The issue is the VAR referee's, who have time, replays and different angles. The one with Casemiro, he told the ref to go review it and showed 1 angle and a still. Then did no look at Ayew and we had sky sports ref saying he cant see all of it. That is a joke in itself, this is the highest level of football.
The level of consistency is so low, multiple VAR mistakes a week.
not to mention the extra 1:30 he added on after the already dubious 7 minutes of added time. Absolutely desperate for an equaliser he was.
I think Saka could have gone for the challenge on Moreno.
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Casemiro's red card remains one of the most farcical decisions of the season.
To save creating a new thread I will ask the same question here but regarding Sabitzer's challenge today. Red or nah?
Given the way VAR has made decisions in the past, I would not have been surprised if they gave it. I think the only thinkg that helped him was that it was not a full on challenge. It's almost like his foot bounced off his knee. Had he gone through him, no doubt it should have been a red.
Yeah and led to us drawing with Leeds,damn it should be only 3 pts behind Arsenal
People who thought that was a red card should be ashamed of themselves.
This decision looks worse and worse every passing week
We got royally screwed AGAIN
We got royally screwed AGAIN
Don’t remember the ref going to check VAR after giving the red that time..
Ridiculous. Looking straight at the guy and pushed him in the face.Why the bump?
We have 4 points less because of that decision.
English refereeing has the consistency of soft shite
Ziyech did worse without getting a red card, and he hasn't been the only one since the Casemiro incident.
We only dropped 2 in his absence
Not just Ziyech, Thiago Silva got away with a deliberate elbow as well