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So what's next for Sir Gareth Southgate?
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Anyone could manage this group of players better than Southgate. Anyone.
He will get the World Cup. England will probably do ok - QF or so - and he will then step down. Can’t argue that he’s been anything less than a success, with a final and SF in his two major tournaments and stabilised England after a disastrous decade beforehand. People do remember 2016 right?
He picks Maguire and Shaw because England are weak in those positions. Frankly, Shaw is England’s best LWB by a distance and Maguire is probably the best CB. If they were wingers or right backs who weren’t playing, then he’d obviously be able to drop them.
What's next for Gareth? Job Centre
I don’t understand why Southgate is so immune to criticism. It’s not just the media but a chunk of oppo and England fans seem desperate to defend him too….he’s absolutely shite.
Because England players aren't that good apparently so it's ok for him to be tactically naive.
We won't make it out of the group.
True enough, but he is only giving evidence that he has lost whatever touch he seemed to have with this squad rather than evidence that he knows his best team, formation, knows how we're going to score goals.
It's going to be tricky to turn it on like a tap. I'm not saying you have to fire on all cylinders before a tournament to do well but we have been absolutely appalling in the build up which is another thing altogether.
Saka isn't average
Trent??
He has been abysmally poor for Liverpool this season, no way he should be anywhere near the England squad, nevermind in the team.
As an outsider looking in it’s crazy. Both England fans and non England fans defend him so much I just don’t understand it.
I think it must come from some kind of subconscious reluctance to admit that England is kinda decent right now player wise, as a sort of pushback to the usual media hyping of players, and so that reluctance goes hand in hand with saying “Well if the players aren’t that good then that means the manager has to be doing a really good job” and so he gets defended a lot.
If Southgate was churning out performances of the quality of football that England produces, with players like the ones he has, at United, Real Madrid, Chelsea or Arsenal, no one would tolerate that.
They came to be by them generally beating the brakes off weaker teams. So? They *beat* them. Handily.
Losing by the tighest of margins to teams of the same caliber, after deep runs, is hardly an "issue". They're not fecking 1970 Brazil ffs
Yeah people are saying he’s much better than previous managers but Englands talent is miles better than anything they’ve had to choose from compared to the 2010’s. That’s my entire issue with Southgate. England has a bunch of really good footballers but he sets them up like a bottom table side coming up against Man City and just trying to batten down the hatches.
Yeah pulled the wool over eyes of the British media and those tournament fans too
You could even say Germany aren't the usual force in last two tournaments as well
You can fluke your way to a final or even a title but relying on fluking is hardly a recommendable strategy. Southgate was lucky to get to those games and it is highly unlikely that he'll be as lucky again.
Successful ≠ the best. Success greatly depends on luck and random chance, as well. Which was exactly the case for Southgate. We still clearly remember HOW England reached the final and all the abysmal games he won on coin flips.
Calling Southgate successful is like saying Ole was successful because he got United to an EPL 2nd place. Just like Ole, Southgate won't get lucky twice and will shit bed soon. Because both of them are fundamentally crap coaches and managers.
Leicester.
Would be a hell of a downgrade from Rodgers and guarantee relegation.
Fulham, Bournemouth, or Forest maybe.
The minute he leaves international football and returns to club management, he'll remind everyone how below average he is.
Yeah so true
Will never blame Jadon,Marcus & Saka for losing that Euros final it was all on Southgate, just like that World Cup Semi Final was on him.
Fulham are 6th in the league, drawing against Liverpool and giving Arsenal a game. Why would they take him?
Southgate would make Bournemouth and Forest more defensive which they probably require, but they would not score enough to stay up. His Middlesborough team scored 28 goals in the season they went down. If you don't score at least 35, you usually go down.
I want Southgate gone too but it's always an achievement to knock Germany out of a tournament no matter how good they are. They are serial winners.
Especially for England as we struggle against them so much.
Yeah probably one of only two results I was impressed with in his time in charge,other being that win in Spain when we cared about Nations League.
Who is hiring him after he is inevitably sacked? Don't think anyone in the top 2 tiers are taking him.
Would be interested to see what Tuchel or Pochettino could do with this team,failing that look at someone who may not be biggest name but has tactical acumen and attacking mindset.
Shouldn't restrict our search to just English managers as talent pool is tiny with Howe & Potter gone.
Shouldn't restrict our search to just English managers as talent pool is tiny with Howe & Potter gone.
That says more about you than him.
Should’ve been sacked the day after he utterly wrecked that final against an ageing, leggy Italy side.
He single handedly denied England a trophy in that game - he did more to give it to Italy than the Italian players did.
Instead he was given a new contract.
Utd-esque from the FA.
He single handedly denied England a trophy in that game - he did more to give it to Italy than the Italian players did.
Instead he was given a new contract.
Utd-esque from the FA.
Im gonna go ahead and say it as clearly it's against the grain, but as far as im concerned he can keep the job as long as we keep on playing well and progressing in tournaments. I mean jesus christ, we reached a World Cup semi final and a Euros Final. Under the previous regimes we've done feck all and look utter shite. Yes we have looked poor for a while, but when that World Cup kicks off i am going to be belting out that Atomic Kitten song along with the rest of yous and getting behind him and the team, and hopefully we make a final again and go one better. If we fail in the quarters then sure give him the sack then.
Nah there will be teams like West Brom or whatever that will give him a go. Maybe Middlesbrough.
Palace connection would get him a gig there for sure
That happened despite having Gareth Southgate as a manager, seriously.
But that if anything makes the football even more inexcusable.
The football on display can only really be justified if it comes with silverware and the one chance he had to put some on the table he made some of the most bizarre decisions I've ever seen.
Do you not look at the teams we beat to get to the semi final and final and think we should have got there ? Who did we beat that we shouldn’t have beat ? The draws got us to those positions and we failed to take advantage.
I look at the other top teams perishing to similarly shite sides in the knock-outs, or not even making it out of the groups, and think you know what? In the past, England sides have been woeful (Iceland immediately springs to mind) in key tournament games, and yet i saw an England Team play with a cohesiveness and team spirit that in the past would have found a way to fail, and yes we ultimately failed against Croatia ( still went a goal up) and Italy (still went a goal up) and i see something I haven't seen before. Southgate is abit of a melt, but he has bonded this England side better than anyone else has and he has also created a good relationship with the media where they all aren't constantly being hounded with negativity.
Like the players and the majority of this country, I couldn't give a flying feck about the friendlies and nation leagues and what have you, they are all exhibition games. The crunch comes down to the tournament football. We are not Spain who are known for tiki-taka i know who used to dick every team they faced whether it was a kick about or not, but i think we are building something that other teams fear when they come up against us. We are strong in major tournaments again. I think when it matters these players are going to perform and i fully expect us to reach at least a semi's again. And if we don't then fair enough sack him.
Just saying something doesn’t make it a fact.
You're overthinking it, it's just because he reached a semi final and then a final in two consecutive international tournaments, so he's got a lot of credit in the bank. Most football fans aren't hugely interested in performances or tactics, it's just about results, so they look past the obvious weaknesses of Southgate as a manager.
I think Southgate did a good job in a kind of transitional phase for England. When he took over we had the weakest England squad for quite a while. He gave chances to some young players breaking through, created a positive environment, and did better than his predecessors who had better squads to work with (except Hodgson, who did worse with an equally shit squad). He's evidently outclassed by better managers at the top level though, and can't get the best out of what is now a decent group of players, and I think most people who are more than casual football fans recognise that. The media play along mostly to the casual football fan, and they're currently in the phase where they build someone up, the inevitable will soon happen, Gareth will run out of credit and the press will turn on Southgate with the toxicity that they are renowned for.
If he gets a quarter-final finish or better in the WC he can leave gracefully, with thanks for his efforts, and England should be looking to bring in a better tactician who can take this team up a level. Staying beyond the world cup would guarantee a toxic couple of years until the next major tournament with Southgate coming under immense pressure and scrutiny. My worry is he lucks another semi or final and stays on for longer.
No, it’s an opinion - just as you’re stating… what’s your point here?
Gareth Southgate has hamstrung this England side with laughably negative and cowardly tactics - the ultimate of these culminating in that final where he played slow, long ball football against an ageing, leggy side with great CBs, firing pointless balls to Harry Kane all game while Foden, Grealish, Sancho and Rashford sat on the bench.
He then brought on TWO players who’d barely featured all tournament to take unbelievably high pressure penalties.
It was unbelievable and he should have been sacked following that.
He’s a loser of a manager and though I think he seems like a decent person, that doesn’t matter - it isn’t what he’s paid millions to do.
This England side has been held back by him.
Again, he seems likeable and decent, but we need to move on from nonsense like that affecting pragmatic thought.
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