I’m aware that McT is even worse when used as a DM but he is not a decent no8. He may do a few things that look okay but he is bad for the team. He doesn’t get involved in our passing game and isn’t even that good at pressing.
Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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And there’s more to it than that. We often don’t shift fringe and academy grads even when they are on normal contracts. Either we are not bringing the right level of quality through or we are expecting more money than they are worth.
Whether you like Mount or not, he's been brought in by ten Hag to be a midfielder. He played in Midfield against Wolves and he's played in Midfield every pre season game. He has effectively replaced Eriksen in the team, who has replaced Fred in the squad, despite none of them being like for like.
It's only impossible because of the Club's valuation on both.
Indeed.
In general, there is a bit of a Utd factor involved. Players don’t really want to leave because it is the death of their dream.
Yeah. THere's that factor as well. Players coming in to United and become extremely comfortable.
How are we letting this go on? Just sign him already, really think we’ll struggle without him
Because we need to sell before we can buy
Casemiro, mctominay, Eriksen, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount,Van De beek and if we got Amrabat that would be 8 midfielders. Even we weren't broke we would still have to reduce the numbers. Mind you I would rather we do all of that with the player signed.
Didn't know David Lynch was a transfer muppet
Amrabat alone probably won't transform the midfield (judging by last match's non existent midfield) but since we sold Fred we have to get someone, McTominay just not good enough and this window won't be enough unless we shift more deadwood and get some players in
Werent supposed to
McTominay is fine for the season providing hes not used as a Casemiro alternative. He should be competing for Mount’s and Bruno’s spot in the team. Much better at attacking than holding/dictating etc
Amrabat would be a suitable Casemiro alternative and regardless of the Wolves game, I still would have wanted him because Casemiro isn’t going to be enough even if he’s in best form.
Amrabat would be a suitable Casemiro alternative and regardless of the Wolves game, I still would have wanted him because Casemiro isn’t going to be enough even if he’s in best form.
Amrabat would bring out the best in Casemiro. We can’t miss out on this one. We’ve 15m from Fred, surely can raise another few quid on Donny and the rest of us will chip in the rest if needs be
More than anything, the price and experience level and the gaps in the squad, this was a no brainer even ahead of Mount.
I know there's the romantic part where people want to see youth players take their time to learn, gain experience and develop. But that's near to impossible without giving them a lot of game-time, because young players need to play constantly to commit mistakes, make experiments, etc. And if a player wants to play for our club, he must be already at a very good level, at least theoretically (a lot of exceptions lately, I know).
Mainoo will get his chances if he got quality to deliver, otherwise ETH will not give him enough minutes for him to gain the experience he needs.
But top clubs are usually bad places for young players to get experience and develop because the demanding is too high and the margin error is too small. You can argue that under Sir Alex we developed young guns, but despite they were young, they were clearly ready to deliver a quality end product and times were a bit different back than (nowadays football is much more athletic and fast, even less margin for error).
McTominay really isn’t at the level required. The guys technical abilities are not those of a midfielder. He looks like an attacking for 5 minutes and a limited 90s centre back for the remaining 75.
Amravati - This year's Frenkie De Jong!
Desperately pinging United's pager.
Every single transfer window the inability of our recruitment team shines bright for all to see.
Amrabat for 26mill euros is a snip, he wants the move, just go and do it ffs
Amrabat for 26mill euros is a snip, he wants the move, just go and do it ffs
If I was him, i'd tell united to feck off now
Trust us to dither and delay the lowest priced and easiest target on our list.
We should have signed him weeks ago, that may have even given a bigger incentive to McTominay and VdB agents to find a new club them.
We could have just accept 30 mil for McT and sign this guy already.
Surely we can get creative with a deal/payment terms to get this done.
Every other team seems to do it.
At any other club id agree but our players are only in the business for a cheque. Look at Bailey and Maguire. No ambition.
Exactly. Absolutely not having that as an excuse and just makes the recruitment department look incompetent anyway if they do try to peddle that out.
That would be too simple for us. We are too smart for our own good. The clowns in charge are thinking that they would sell Mctominay for £40m and then they’ll haggle down the price with Fiorentina for Amrabat even though it’s only 25m. The outcome would be Mctominay stays and we don’t sign anyone. We would lose but atleast we put our foot down. That will show everyone how hard we are like a limp dick. Only good for taking the piss.
He is a defensive mid. Why didn't we prioritise him over Mason Mount?
McT is forever, I await the testimonial in a couple seasons.
Because Mount has been signed to start and replace Eriksen, whereas this guy will be a backup to Casemiro.
He would need to agree terms with whatever club is interested in him and apart from WH, has anyone else shown interest? I see this being another Maguire situation but maybe McT being more accepting of a move to a lower table team.
It would be easier to move these players on if we already had their replacements but here we are. Might be one to watch for late in the window.
I know mate but we've been here before with overvaluing our poor players and half of the forum encourage this nonsense.
Rojo, Bailly, Lingard, Darmian and Romero could have all been sold for ok fees but our board try and squeeze unrealistic amounts. Bailly is still here ffs.
If we accepted the 20m for Maguire, West Ham may have given him a desirable contract or paid off a chunk of the difference themselves.
No way is McTominay a 40m+ player. So many posters on here don't get the market. They all refer to Rice, Enzo, Lavia, Caicedo etc when valuing our deadwood without considering the fact that the aforementioned players are being signed by BIG clubs. Smaller clubs, especially non PL clubs will not spend these kind of sums, as seen with the Fred transfer. 30m is good money for McTominay!
Amrabat should be an easy move for club like ours but the owners and the people in charge of football operations are useless.
We've reportedly been doing exactly this for quite some time now.
As our cashflow problems have worsened, we have been forced to dip into our credit facilities to fund transfers. To get around our cashflow problems (by minimising up front payments), we've been negotiating payment structures that push the balance of payments as far in to the future as possible. In return, we have had to accept inflated total fees.
Unfortunately, you can only kick the can down the road so far and we've seen the club's outstanding transfer debt swell to £307m, all of which will have to be paid off eventually, thereby restricting future expenditure.
A good player who, if we trust the reports, really wants to play for Manchester United in a position we need upgrades. And is fairly cheap in todays market.
It should be a no-brainer really.
It should be a no-brainer really.
Agreed. Good post.
Unfortunately years of incompetence in the market has lead us to this point where we’re unable to sign players who are practically begging to join us for very reasonable fees because our hands are now tied with FFP. The worst thing is the only way to raise more funds is by selling our deadwood but we’re one of the worst clubs in Europe at doing that so essentially we’re done in the market.
Probably not, but it would give us the opportunity to change tact for the bigger matches and/or away games. We need to improve our record in both of those departments by some margin if we're going to be competitive this season.
Yep, this is key factor. In some games Case/Mount/Bruno might work when trying to break a deep line and Mount bedding in.
I don't think he is a back up to Casemiro, I think we will have to play him with Casemiro. Mount will move right and Bruno will do what Bruno does.
We need this signing , poor Transfers and wage structures have led to us having players that other teams would like to aquire but just can't afford with their astronomical wages and us pricing bang average players above there worth even in the current climate. I do feel we aren't a million miles away but signings like this are key in getting the best out of other singings we have made.
With 5 subs we need to be able to react better in games. Amrabat will give us something different.
I'm sure we will get a midfield with Mount working well over the next few weeks, but our lineup is very predictable right now. If Wolves can bossbus anyone can.
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