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We've spent nearly £700m in five years. People make the Glazes out like Kreonke.
I am still very dubious on if we will bother hiring a DoF (in the role we all are hoping for), anytime soon.If a DOF is hired which is very likely he’ll be the one in charge of transfers and demanding money. I don’t think the economic differences between Poch and Ole will stretch beyond whatever the club needs to pay Spurs for Pochettino and the difference in wages between the two.
The idea of managers attracting players is a dying concept.I have no qualms with him getting the job on a permanent basis but will he able to attract the big players especially if we do not to get a champs lge position?
Yup - that explains our spends and wage levels. Specially compared with Liverpool, Spurs and the likes. Oh wait...We spend when we need to. Given that we have not won the title in many years, finished in the top 3 only once since SAF left, the spending is warranted. IMO, we are not spending enough.
And regarding Ole, being the cheaper/easier option: the Glazers would love it if Ole worked out and kept us in the top 4, for the next 10 years, with minimal spending.
Is big bucks necessarily a good thing. Spending money for the sake of spending money. I give you Chelsea who it looks like they might lose Odoi - a truly great talent and instead replace him with a 50M (and in my opinion) lesser player.I admit, this concerns me a bit too.
Very low maintenance manager. Ideal for a board like them. Happy to be here, won't demand big bucks.
Ole spent 15 years at united, you can't get more big time than that.Hold on to your horses guys.
Ole hasn't tasted the big time before, and Phelan's been out of the game for the last five years.
The feel good factor after Mou, is starting to fizzle out. So let's see how he does against tough opposition.
My gut feeling is that Ole won't be an option at the end of the season, and I think he and Phelan already know that.
If it's Poch, the club will already be talking to his agent.
If I’m the owner and my manager presents me with a list of Alderweireld at £70m, Harry Maguire at £65m or Boateng, I’d tell him to get fecked too.Even if that was the case, what's it got to do with signing a CB?
Funny how you also think it's Jose's job to sell the players.If I’m the owner and my manager presents me with a list of Alderweireld at £70m, Harry Maguire at £65m or Boateng, I’d tell him to get fecked too.
The clubs bought him 2 CBs the two previous summer at his request, there are 5 senior CBs at the moment. Flog someone off before asking again and present someone reasonable.
I'm not writing him off. I'm just saying that everything about the current setup shouts "temporary".Ole spent 15 years at united, you can't get more big time than that.
Poch has no big time experience and has won nothing.
Who said the feel good factor has fizzled out, even if we lose on Sunday it won't change.
Given your gut feeling, Ole is almost a certainty to stay as manager.
This is actually a good point, we're all thinking Poch is a certified success because he has done exceptionally well with Spurs but his managerial record is actually pretty average on paper. Espanyol were a steady mid table club under him, Southampton were also mid table and then he's gone to Spurs (which has been his major success to date, although he's not won anything).Everyone assumes that Ole can't do the big job, but I am not so sure I can see why not.
Of course he hasn't passed the test just yet, but he could I think. I mean appointing a big name with lots of experience is no guarantee of success as we have painfully observed in our last two choices.
I am not convinced Pochettino would be a good choice.
I don't think money will be the deciding issue, with the exception that I am not sure we will pay what we might need to in order to get Pochettino. How Ole does till the end of the season will definitely be a factor, and with so many big tests ahead, he is probably odds against doing well enough to get the job given the assumption is that we are looking for someone else. I hope he does it. The last thing we need is another name who doesn't understand the club, is too arrogant or too set in their ways. We don't need a revolution either - we can build a team around the likes of De Gea, Dalot, Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial at very least - and others, of course. We should look to minimise the impact of a new manager joining.
Well he bought them and they turned out to be shit, it’s only fair he rings his pal Mendes to save him the trouble.Funny how you also think it's Jose's job to sell the players.
Every few months we get people shouting "penny pinching Glazers!!". Honestly not surprised anymore.We've spent nearly £700m in five years. People make the Glazes out like Kreonke.
You give him a contract, he finishes second, and then you dont back him. Lindelof is not shit either, but ok. If you are going to sit there and pretend 60 million investment at CB over 5 windows is ok then fair enough. I'm done here.Well he bought them and they turned out to be shit, it’s only fair he rings his pal Mendes to save him the trouble.
He was given, what, £400m to spend and the one who performed best under him was a free transfer. Now justify why we should have given him the money.
Only in transfers, the wage bill which is more crucial for penny pinchers is massive too and we don't even have a great team.We've spent nearly £700m in five years. People make the Glazes out like Kreonke.
Glazers are in this for the money. Nobody doubts that do they?Every few months we get people shouting "penny pinching Glazers!!". Honestly not surprised anymore.
Yes.I have no qualms with him getting the job on a permanent basis but will he able to attract the big players especially if we do not to get a champs lge position?
Of course they are but it's not like they are penny pinching. If they pick Solskjaer, I hardly doubt it would be because he's cheaper, after spending around €20m to sack the previous manager.Glazers are in this for the money. Nobody doubts that do they?
No, but the fact that you have to invest to earn is one of the most basic rules of business.Glazers are in this for the money. Nobody doubts that do they?
Spent £400m, not a single one performed up to snuff, asked for more money. Yes, I’m done here.You give him a contract, he finishes second, and then you dont back him. Lindelof is not shit either, but ok. If you are going to sit there and pretend 60 million investment at CB over 5 windows is ok then fair enough. I'm done here.
I actually think Ole did ask for Phelan. Neither Ole or Poch have big time managerial experience but Ole knows United inside out and this is important.I'm not writing him off. I'm just saying that everything about the current setup shouts "temporary".
He was brought in and was given Phelan as support. Ole wasn't asked who he'd like as an assistant.
When I said "big time" I was talking about "management" obviously. I really hope he succeeds, but I think it's going to be Poch.
They've put 0 in and take what, close to a billion out of the club? As far as I know the only owners in the league who've done anything like that.I find this anger against the glazers downright weird. From where I stand I would not exchange them for any other owners in the league.
I wonder how much of the fears of people about “they only care about the quarterly bottom line” and “they suck the club dry” come up from a lack of understanding of how people with that much money actually view their investments vs. generic anti capitalist anti rich sentiments.
In my experience people who can afford an investment the size of man united really don’t care about the quarterly reports unless there’s many consecutive losses over years. To them the long term success of the club is more money for them. And by “for them” I don’t even think it’s them personally. It might be their kids or their grandkids which puts their thinking way more long term than managers or CEOs or even DOFs.
well they took way too long to stump up that 20m didn't they? It got to the point where the club was in complete chaos and everyone hated the manager, before they took the plunge.Of course they are but it's not like they are penny pinching. If they pick Solskjaer, I hardly doubt it would be because he's cheaper, after spending around €20m to sack the previous manager.
This is the point I'm always trying to get across.I find this anger against the glazers downright weird. From where I stand I would not exchange them for any other owners in the league.
I wonder how much of the fears of people about “they only care about the quarterly bottom line” and “they suck the club dry” come up from a lack of understanding of how people with that much money actually view their investments vs. generic anti capitalist anti rich sentiments.
In my experience people who can afford an investment the size of man united really don’t care about the quarterly reports unless there’s many consecutive losses over years. To them the long term success of the club is more money for them. And by “for them” I don’t even think it’s them personally. It might be their kids or their grandkids which puts their thinking way more long term than managers or CEOs or even DOFs.
Fans were singing Mourinho's name right up until he was sacked. Thankfully the board doesn't appear to listen to them.I strongly suspect that there'll be a big push from the fans to keep Ole as well, which will make things harder still.
That said, I think this idea that the Board will always do things in the cheapest possible way is a myth. Its only a few weeks since people were insisting Mourinho would be here til the end of the season because they didnt want to pay him off, that turned out to be wrong. While the Glazers have done a lot of ill to this club, they've never been shown to be total penny pinchers.
true yeah, and that includes making decisions to not invest if you don't see an ROI, or invest less for more risk if you think it will be better for your bottom lineNo, but the fact that you have to invest to earn is one of the most basic rules of business.
Lindelof was shit up until the last few weeks to be fair. Took a while to adjust to the PL.You give him a contract, he finishes second, and then you dont back him. Lindelof is not shit either, but ok. If you are going to sit there and pretend 60 million investment at CB over 5 windows is ok then fair enough. I'm done here.
They've put 0 in and take what, close to a billion out of the club? As far as I know the only owners in the league who've done anything like that.
This is not really a thread to moan about the Glazers, but I guess that is what it will become so my bad. But surely the fact they just take money out is somewhat of a concern to you?
I mean, that is why I started this thread. I'm worried that money will be the determining factor in their decision, not the long term future of the club. I might be way off the mark with that, but there are plenty of reasons to suggest that might be a problem.
If the team are doing well and clearly enjoying themselves, players will generally want to come.My only issue with Ole is whether is is a big enough draw to entice big name players to the club.
I am still very dubious on if we will bother hiring a DoF (in the role we all are hoping for), anytime soon.
I think Woodward likes that role and I don't see him willingly giving up that role, unless things go completely tits up.
He will argue that under his guidance, we finished 2nd last season, while we won 2 trophies the year before and 1 trophy the year before that.
If Ole does a job of keeping us in the top 4, he will ask the question: why do we need a DoF to complicate matters.
Maybe people should be patient with players. He would be even better next to a top CB.Lindelof was shit up until the last few weeks to be fair. Took a while to adjust to the PL.
and has been selling their players for peanuts??We are still talking about the club that has been spending like a drunken sailor in the last 5 seasons?