Solskjaer target 5 signings; 6 players could leave [BBC, Telegraph, Guardian]

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Surely more than 6 leaving seeing as Valencia and Herrera already gone, darmian must be a guarantee.

If we think mata, Pogba, lukaku, Martial, sanchez, rojo, Jones, Fred, Matic would surely all be considered for sale for half decent offer, 6 seems an underestimate at this rate.
 
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So, what happened last Summer?
That was arguably our most important Summer. We had an elite level manager who had managed to get us 2nd place, with a poor squad of players. Why was he not backed and told to win us the title any cost? Jose is exactly the sort of manager who you should give that sort of target to. Tell him that Pep won it this year, now you go and win it this year. Instead Woodie knew that it would cost money, so he backed out and accepted mediocrity on the football pitch. This is fact. It happened. Jose asked for players and Woodie made excuses.

What happened in Jan 2019? How much did we spend?
What about in Jan 2018? Again, apart from the swap deal of Sanchez, how much did we spend.

Outspent by mid-table clubs in the Summer of 2018, when we should've opened our wallets and made an absolute statement of intent that we have an elite manager at the helm and are now willing to spend until we win the title.
So very true.
 

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5 players in:

Kalidou Koulibaly - €85,000,000
Donny van de Beek - €55,000,000
David Neres - €50,000,000
Wilfred Ndidi - €60,000,000
Thomas Meunier - €35,000,000
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Total - €285,000,000

Players out:

Marcos Rojo - €7,000,000
Matteo Darmian - €10,000,000
Nemanja Matic - €15,000,000
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Total - €17,000,000

Net spent: €253,000,000


Yeah, you're right. This makes too much sense and is too much money to happen.
 

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So, what happened last Summer?
That was arguably our most important Summer. We had an elite level manager who had managed to get us 2nd place, with a poor squad of players. Why was he not backed and told to win us the title any cost? Jose is exactly the sort of manager who you should give that sort of target to. Tell him that Pep won it this year, now you go and win it this year. Instead Woodie knew that it would cost money, so he backed out and accepted mediocrity on the football pitch. This is fact. It happened. Jose asked for players and Woodie made excuses.

What happened in Jan 2019? How much did we spend?
What about in Jan 2018? Again, apart from the swap deal of Sanchez, how much did we spend.

Outspent by mid-table clubs in the Summer of 2018, when we should've opened our wallets and made an absolute statement of intent that we have an elite manager at the helm and are now willing to spend until we win the title.
Don't think lumping it to Fellaini and defending for dear life (from 1st min) vs lower league teams was/is going to win any team a title against city.
 
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Surely more than 6 leaving seeing as Valencia and Herrera already gone, darmian must be a guarantee.

If we think mata, Pogba, lukaku, Martial, sanchez, rojo, Jones, Fred, Matic would surely all be considered for sale for half decent offer, 6 seems an underestimate at this rate.
It should be closer to 16 - DDG-cash in while he has a high value, Valencia-already gone, Young-get rid, Darmian-at last, TFM-not good enough, Jones-please do it, Smalling-likewise, Rojo-Can't believe he's still here, Matic- legs have gone, Herrera-jumped ship, Fred- what went wrong, Pogba- wants away, Perriera- not good enough, Mata- past it (2 years ago), Lingard-offers nothing, Lukaku-not a United player, Sanchez-what a waste of money, there you are, 16 easy!
 

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5 players in:

Kalidou Koulibaly - €85,000,000
Donny van de Beek - €55,000,000
David Neres - €50,000,000
Wilfred Ndidi - €60,000,000
Thomas Meunier - €35,000,000
------------------------------------
Total - €285,000,000

Players out:

Marcos Rojo - €7,000,000
Matteo Darmian - €10,000,000
Nemanja Matic - €15,000,000
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Total - €17,000,000

Net spent: €253,000,000


Yeah, you're right. This makes too much sense and is too much money to happen.
We need to get rid of more than just 3, and good luck getting a fee for Matic.
 

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Tielemans(McT)---------Pogba(Fred)-----

-------------------Bruno (Mata)-----------------------
-- Rashford(Sanchez)-------Lukaku (Martial)--

25 + 75 + 60 + 45 +45+ 50 = 290m

Bailey, Shaw,Jones,Rojo can leave - will give us 40-50m .

Net spend - 250m. Reasonable?
Shaw can leave? Player of the year. Right. Off you go Luke. Not reasonable.
 

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5 players in:

Kalidou Koulibaly - €85,000,000
Donny van de Beek - €55,000,000
David Neres - €50,000,000
Wilfred Ndidi - €60,000,000
Thomas Meunier - €35,000,000
------------------------------------
Total - €285,000,000

Players out:

Marcos Rojo - €7,000,000
Matteo Darmian - €10,000,000
Nemanja Matic - €15,000,000
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Total - €17,000,000

Net spent: €253,000,000


Yeah, you're right. This makes too much sense and is too much money to happen.
Asking price for vd Beek is 75 mil, probably will get him for 60-65.
 

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There’s just too many to sell in one window, assuming Mata is released as well that’s 3 gone already. Sanchez, Rojo, Darmian, Pereira and Bailly barely play and must all be for sale.

Then you have the players who might want to leave, Pogba, De Gea, Lukaku and Martial. I would imagine we must be looking at 6-7 out at least and some academy players will have to fill a couple of the gaps.

Most of the rest of squad probably survive simply for another year because can’t sell everyone. Everyone at the club just needs to get on with it now as window will go quickly.
 

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Speculation seems to be really ramping up now - am sure they'll be plenty of early stuff this summer - can't wait
 

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5 players in:

Kalidou Koulibaly - €85,000,000
Donny van de Beek - €55,000,000
David Neres - €50,000,000
Wilfred Ndidi - €60,000,000
Thomas Meunier - €35,000,000
------------------------------------
Total - €285,000,000

Players out:

Marcos Rojo - €7,000,000
Matteo Darmian - €10,000,000
Nemanja Matic - €15,000,000
------------------------------------
Total - €17,000,000

Net spent: €253,000,000


Yeah, you're right. This makes too much sense and is too much money to happen.
Spending so bloody much and barely improving our attack would be criminal. Don't think it would change much overall for us.
 

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So, what happened last Summer?
That was arguably our most important Summer. We had an elite level manager who had managed to get us 2nd place, with a poor squad of players. Why was he not backed and told to win us the title any cost? Jose is exactly the sort of manager who you should give that sort of target to. Tell him that Pep won it this year, now you go and win it this year. Instead Woodie knew that it would cost money, so he backed out and accepted mediocrity on the football pitch. This is fact. It happened. Jose asked for players and Woodie made excuses.

What happened in Jan 2019? How much did we spend?
What about in Jan 2018? Again, apart from the swap deal of Sanchez, how much did we spend.

Outspent by mid-table clubs in the Summer of 2018, when we should've opened our wallets and made an absolute statement of intent that we have an elite manager at the helm and are now willing to spend until we win the title.
Bravo. We had, at the time, the most trophied active manager. More than Pep. And we guaranteed a meltdown by pretending we knew what was better for the club.

Don't think lumping it to Fellaini and defending for dear life (from 1st min) vs lower league teams was/is going to win any team a title against city.
This is such a pathetic retort. Especially considering how we in fact beat City away just last season. And that we just lost and drew against two teams relegated to the Championship just this month. It's one thing if you just say, Jose wasn't the right personality for United. But to question his managerial ability particularly at that time, is arrogant and stupid. No better than Woodward
 

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This is such a pathetic retort. Especially considering how we in fact beat City away just last season. And that we just lost and drew against two teams relegated to the Championship just this month. It's one thing if you just say, Jose wasn't the right personality for United. But to question his managerial ability particularly at that time, is arrogant and stupid. No better than Woodward
So we won vs city after they've should been 6 up in the first half, Bravo. I would put a clap Emoji but we don't have that option here. How deluded you have to be if you think we could win the league vs this city by playing lump to the big man. :lol: But yeah beating city in a game where they should have been 6 up at HT is a sign we could have beaten them to the title......wait... are we forgetting [playing like cowards vs lower teams? Managerial ability of the highest order, Indeed.

Not sure whats pathetic about stating facts about a WC manager who played Coward style football while spending half a billion + 500k Sanchez and when things didn't go his way, he gave up and got the pay he wanted.

What a fighter jose was for United. Poor man had to manage United on loose change. If only he had a club where they gave him half a billion. :rolleyes:
 

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So we won vs city after they've should been 6 up in the first half, Bravo. I would put a clap Emoji but we don't have that option here. How deluded you have to be if you think we could win the league vs this city by playing lump to the big man. :lol: But yeah beating city in a game where they should have been 6 up at HT is a sign we could have beaten them to the title......wait... are we forgetting [playing like cowards vs lower teams? Managerial ability of the highest order, Indeed.

Not sure whats pathetic about stating facts about a WC manager who played Coward style football while spending half a billion + 500k Sanchez and when things didn't go his way, he gave up and got the pay he wanted.

What a fighter jose was for United. Poor man had to manage United on loose change. If only he had a club where they gave him half a billion. :rolleyes:
Give up, brah. You're all over the place.
 

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So, what happened last Summer?
That was arguably our most important Summer. We had an elite level manager who had managed to get us 2nd place, with a poor squad of players. Why was he not backed and told to win us the title any cost? Jose is exactly the sort of manager who you should give that sort of target to. Tell him that Pep won it this year, now you go and win it this year. Instead Woodie knew that it would cost money, so he backed out and accepted mediocrity on the football pitch. This is fact. It happened. Jose asked for players and Woodie made excuses.

What happened in Jan 2019? How much did we spend?
What about in Jan 2018? Again, apart from the swap deal of Sanchez, how much did we spend.

Outspent by mid-table clubs in the Summer of 2018, when we should've opened our wallets and made an absolute statement of intent that we have an elite manager at the helm and are now willing to spend until we win the title.
Jose was hit and miss in the transfer market for us,he brought some decent players to the club but also some duds,I agree he should have been backed as you highlighted above but something obviously went on behind the scenes and would probably have spent a fortune had he got his way.
Wouldnt be surprised once 10 years post Fergie arrives he will still be our most successful manager.
 

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Spending so bloody much and barely improving our attack would be criminal. Don't think it would change much overall for us.
That's because we need to improve almost every position. I would love to buy a top striker and winger but unless we plan on spending a billion euros or go another season with Young as our RB it's not going to happen.
 

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This is what I would like to happen.

Out's:
Sanchez - (negative) 15M
Balliey - 25M
Rojo - 15M
TFM - 10M
Darmain - 10M
Herrera - Free
Mata - Free
Valencia - Free
Pogba - 150M
Lukaku - 60M

Total - 255M

Would love to get rid of the following but wouldn't happen: Young, Smalling, Jones, Matic and Lingard.


In's:
Win Bissaka - 40M
Škriniar - 75M
Rice - 50M
Tielemans - 50M
Nidi - 50M
Richarlison - 70M
Sancho - 130M


Total - 465M


Total Net Spend - 210M


The players listed (sell) barely play for us now (minus Pogba), and in return we would get workhorses and proven EPL experience (minus Sancho and Škriniar). That midfield alone wouldn't require our forward players to track back that much. Also, we would be promoting the following to the full team: Greenwood, Tuanzebe, Gomes, Garner, Larid, Chong
 

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Hate to bring up Bale but the rumour is he is being offered out for loan 10 mill and half his wages for 1 year.... if that is available I cannot see too many teams who would be able to handle the wages, it would be a no risk, no brainer for Utd if that were available to them, 20 mil in this market even if he only plays half the season minutes wise you have to think he would be worth 15 points at the least, which puts us right in 3/4th spot as we are, plus a superstar name good for PR and a statement of intent, if it doesn't work out at least it wouldn't be another Sanchez hanging around our necks, if it did work would probably be worth the 20 mil alone for CL qualification, PL places and comercial sales etc...
 

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My current list of ever changing targets is:

Wan bissaka
Maguire
Alderweireld
Rice
Ziyech
(Bale on loan, I see no problem with a loan and no commitment to buy especially if we lost sanchez. Bale is still a talented player and seems to be hard working)
 

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This is what I would like to happen.

Out's:
Sanchez - (negative) 15M
Balliey - 25M
Rojo - 15M
TFM - 10M
Darmain - 10M
Herrera - Free
Mata - Free
Valencia - Free
Pogba - 150M
Lukaku - 60M

Total - 255M

Would love to get rid of the following but wouldn't happen: Young, Smalling, Jones, Matic and Lingard.


In's:
Win Bissaka - 40M
Škriniar - 75M
Rice - 50M
Tielemans - 50M
Nidi - 50M
Richarlison - 70M
Sancho - 130M


Total - 465M


Total Net Spend - 210M


The players listed (sell) barely play for us now (minus Pogba), and in return we would get workhorses and proven EPL experience (minus Sancho and Škriniar). That midfield alone wouldn't require our forward players to track back that much. Also, we would be promoting the following to the full team: Greenwood, Tuanzebe, Gomes, Garner, Larid, Chong
Its disturbing that in this example we lose TEN players and STILL somehow have the quality of young Smalling Jones matic and lingard :lol: how fecked are we. Agree with you though, they'll be too hard to shift
 

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We are finally being linked to the right players. If we feck this summer up like last year, its gonna another unbearable season.

Get your finger out Ed, we need actual footballer!
 

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Matic can easily fetch a fee if sold to the Epl club. The more we delay the more we lose out on a fee.
I hope your right but tbh I don't see him leaving, like a few of our players, although other clubs would be interested, it's the wages our players are on that puts them off, not many teams will pay the money we do, specially not to bang average players like Matic (now) Jones, Smalling etc, I know it's a different situation but if the papers are right this morning we are going to pay Inter to take Sanchez on loan!
 

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We don't have CL football and, if you were an agent, you'd likely be advising your player to wait to see how United do under Ole now the positivity has drained away. That's unless we go out and overpay for average players, which is Woodward's MO

Personally think we should stop chasing big name players and make a large bunch of singings with the future in mind. Wan Bissaka, Doucoure, Rice, James, Tielmans etc. We will be nowhere near the PL title next season and CL will be a real battle so let's focus on building a team.
 

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Martin Odegaard would be the best signing for this club.

----------- De Gea ------------
- Dalot - Lindelof - Koulibaly - Shaw
--- Pogba -------- McTominay---
------- Bruno Fernandes -------
-- Pepe --- Rashford --- Odegaard
 

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Martin Odegaard would be the best signing for this club.

----------- De Gea ------------
- Dalot - Lindelof - Koulibaly - Shaw
--- Pogba -------- McTominay---
------- Bruno Fernandes -------
-- Pepe --- Rashford --- Odegaard
Oh, you're going to be quoted a lot after this one!
Personally i think Ødegaard is pretty good, and wouldn't mind if we got him cheap.
 

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We are finally being linked to the right players. If we feck this summer up like last year, its gonna another unbearable season.

Get your finger out Ed, we need actual footballer!
It finally feels that way, doesn't it? Likewise, there's real possibility that a lot of the 'deadwood' gets moved on or at least sent to the gone next season pile..
 

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Interesting reddit post from a verified ITK:

Gonna be a long one today...

So my guy has come back, and is now happy that what he was told was a one persons list of suggestions, which was eventually presented at yesterdays meeting (which he has confirmed happened as part of a multi-site conference call - the Head Scouts of each region were present, as was Fletcher in a "Guest" role, seemingly as a way to get a feel for the rooms reaction to him in a psuedo-"final-interview").

He says that based on what came out of that meeting, he is told that 5 signings are hoped for, with 3 being the "minimum acceptable number". Their are "top targets" for 4 positions (CB, CM, RW, RB) and that each of those has a backup that we've contacted as well to garner interest. The 5th possible signing would either be if a star goes, or in the case we sell a load of players Ole no longer wants (which is a lot) then we pick up a solid utility. How well we move on players will decide if we make the move for a 5th signing or not.

This genuinely sounds like they've actually got their shit together.

Warning; there's not much below that is new, and it parrots a lot what has already been said, but offers some additional logic to things.

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"Top Targets" (and Backups) are:

• Sancho (RW/LW - Dortmund) - He's not sure who the backup for RW is. Knows that we're after the Swansea lad James, but he won't be seen as an out-the-gates starter for a while. He thinks that the talk of Sancho being wary is slightly over-blown, but he might give Dortmund one more season, mostly for his own benefit as he has enjoyed being out of the English media spotlight (can't say I blame him). His agent has already told everyone else he's not interested so it sounds like it is literally "Us or Dortmund" now.



• Koulibaly (CB - Napoli) - We've apparently given up on Alderweireld, as it seems he wants to get a silly final contract from PSG or Juve and we don't want to match those. The likely backups right now are likely someone older that we'd try to loan from a club that is trying to move someone on for a younger face.



• Wan-Bissaka (RB - Crystal Palace) - Meunier is the backup option - but apparently we have an agreement with PSG already done in case we want to make the moves, and the "agent shite" is now finished too. He knows he's second choice. Wan-Bissaka is keen, it's now seemingly a matter of just how much Palace will try to bend us over on price. This could easily shoot up to the £50m mark if they want it to (they are no longer strapped for cash thanks to staying up). One possible spanner in this is that Nicky Butt has said he thinks we have options in the academy that should be promoted (Laird) and that any deal here would likely see us lose him to another team.



• CM Targets depend on whether Pogba wants to go or not. We've apparently set a deadline to players like himself and De Gea to tell us what they want to do. One thing he has said is that he knows we have reached out to Rabiot, and are not worried about his history as the belief is that PSG have blown it massively out of proportion. The other potential targets are Fernandes at Benfica & we also are supposedly keeping tabs on Madrid to see if they plan to move any CM's on, as all of theirs would improve us.



• No interest in Declan Rice whatsoever.



• No attempts going to be made to bring back any former players like Memphis (who Woodward is apparently still angry at himself for letting go at Mourinho's behest) and Zaha (who apparently has told his agent to basically tell us to go feck ourselves.....which is fair really).



• Nicky Butt is going to be getting a massive youth academy budget over the next 3 years to start snapping up young talent from around the country. Brexit (or lack of knowing what Brexit will actually look like ) is causing him a bit of concern as the rules on young player transfers is a minefield already, but not being able to look into signing EU Youth Players can potentially be quite harmful to us. He is also going to sit on the Transfer Committee as a "we already have a guy ready to go" sort of seat, which is good to hear to be honest.



• No current contingencies for a GK if De Gea says he won't sign a new deal are known of. Oblak is considered too expensive this season when other problem need solving first. So this could wind up proper fecking us if not careful.



• No mention of any strikers coming.


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Players Leaving

• Ole gave Woodward a list of names he wants gone during his final "interview" for the job when he was made permanent. The list was apparently massive and Woodward and he eventually agreed to narrow it down over the course of 2-3 years to avoid having too many in's and out's all this summer whilst they try to be a bit smarter about things. This would explain why Young, Smalling and Jones were given new deals, as they will simply be let go when their deals conclude (the feeling is they're not going to be worth much in a transfer fee, so replace them one-by-one every year in a more fluid and logical manner).



• Unless Pogba pushes for it (by handing in a formal transfer request and foregoing his signing on/loyalty bonuses), he isn't going anywhere for any price.



• Martial is going nowhere as Ole thinks he can turn him around and kick him on. He basically is on the "one more year" list, along with Lukaku and Lingard.



• De Gea contract situation causing a bit of a rift. Some people think we should just move on and try to get something for him, others are convinced we can get him to sign another deal if we push for it. Not known who is on what sides of that argument.



• Ole apparently fecking loves Marcos Rojo and see's him as a potential DM conversion...



• Those who are possibly on this years "list" are; Bailly, Mata (Free), Sanchez (looking to loan him off if no-one wants a permanent deal), Matic, Pereira (Free) and Darmian (free).


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Youth Updates

• Butt was present for the meeting and presented a list of players he believes are ready to train and play Senior games. Nothing too shocking; Tuanzebe, Garner, Laird, Gomes and Chong. Says that if needed we could also call upon Ramzani in League Cup games if we needed to, and thinks that several defensive options also could be used in that scenario.



• Callum Gribbin is leaving.



• Wants Greenwood to stay around first-team but due to his age is fearful of us throwing him to the wolves to soon and says that he deserves the right to be integrated properly.



• Fosu-Mensah likely going back to Holland or possibly Germany on a permanent deal. Ole wants the chance to see him train, but offers are coming in for him already as people expect his time at United is done.



• James Wilson (remember him!) is being released. Butt apparently believes that this was a huge failure on their part and they should be "ashamed" at how they blew it with him and Januzaj (Butt is VERY vocal still about how LVG fecked Januzaj up).



• Butt is trying to push the idea that we have 3 potential "World Class Keepers in the making" in our academy - Henderson (who will return on loan at Sheffield United), Kovář & Alex Fojtíček. Wants to see all three be given loans/realistic chances at the first team within the next 3/4 years. Henderson sooner.


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That's it for now. He said it's unlikely anything will be done In or Out until the week after the CL final to let the dust on everything settle, and to allow those with ultimatums to answer them. By the sounds of it, Nicky Butt has a LOT more say in things than we maybe realised, which might be why we've gone with a committee approach, and it's interesting that our regional scouting heads were also present (this might be a means of us looking to bring in foreign players before they get "found" earlier - that's my speculation though).
 

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My favourite piece from that reddit ITK:

"Ole apparently fecking loves Marcos Rojo and see's him as a potential DM conversion" :lol:
 

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Interesting reddit post from a verified ITK:
Very interesting. Hoping it's true. I'd be surprised if Matic goes to be honest. Was hoping at least one of Martial or Lukaku were joining Sanchez in the departure list.

Well we'll see how accurate the above is come end of summer.