I've been wondering if it was the same person for ages. Wasn't he constantly going about being ITK too.
Solskjaer's contract
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You'd rather win the league than come 2nd. I agree.
There is zero reason to give Ole a new contract. I'd assume even people who want him heee next year would agree?
Right now I'm 50/50 if he should stay. No decision should be made untill we see how this season turns out. If current form kept up there would be no reason to keep him.
Right now I'm 50/50 if he should stay. No decision should be made untill we see how this season turns out. If current form kept up there would be no reason to keep him.
Rightly so no? He hasn't earned it as of yet.Looking forward to the meltdown when Ole gets a 5 year contract
Stopped reading and engaging in discussion after that. Wum
So you look forward to an age of mediocrity for our club. Nice.Looking forward to the meltdown when Ole gets a 5 year contract
I'm not surprised. When facts are on the table and you don't like them it is easier to write like you did.
I admire backing the manager, putting all your energy into supporting him, but to say City haven't improved on last season is just a bit bonkers.
Great post and also sums up my feelings on the matter perfectly
Excellent post.
City had a shaky start to the first third of the season and our still on to break their points total for last year.
Seems they have very much improved to me.
We had undeniably imporved as well up till Jan.
But we are in a free fall since then
I only said about goals last year. I used two seasons ago looking at points. It is all done to show that stats don't really matter and that we don't need to compare seasons. Every season is different to eachother.
Yeah his lack of being willing to complain publicly is music to their ears and buy him all the time in the world no matter whether or not we still finish in the top 4, also thought you were bang on about Allegri not being the right manager for us but that doesn't mean we should just carry on with Ole and not look at other candidates. The biggest problem is the most attractive options are currently in jobs and the toy story puppet wouldn't spend the money to buy them out of a contract.
Nope. Strongly disagree. A manager in his final year loses a lot of the leverage that we need a manager to have. There's no downside to giving him a contract. He knows the score. Its progress or its a thanks very much and all the best
He isn't a big manager, he isn't going anywhere else. So why would he need a new contract before he has earned it?
If you are talking about leverage over our useless owners then that doesn't really matter either since Ole doesn't use it.
Leverage to sign players id agree with. But the only player Ole might have pulling power for is Halaand.
As things stand he might not even be here next year with how our form is plummeting.
There is downside, we will end up playing lot of money when/if we sack him.
What leverage manager will lose?
Sorry but I don't see this as a negative because it would achieve feck all. He puts enough sly digs in there without going all humongous prick like Jose. Couldn't think of anything worse than to witness someone spilling toxic filth like that again, and Ole clearly isn't that type of character to speak out of turn in public. Weird how you'd want that.
Assuming we scrape top four and he stays any contract renewal should have a set fee for compensation, then the length of deal is fairly irrelevant. Ole doesn’t have much bargaining power and no one else will want him so there’s no need for him to have assurance of a big pay off.
Yeah fixed compensation is the way to go.
Also I hope we move on from "top 4 and you are safe" thing. We should have bigger expectations than that.
Yeah I wouldn't want him to go all toxic like Jose but was referring more to when people like Klopp/Pep/Tuchel push for it in pressers or interviews with the media
He'll get two year extension in the Summer, even if Utd finish outside the CL places (unlikely in my opinion.) At the moment, I can see the Glazer's being pretty happy with him and won't do anything to rock the boat.
You’d hope so, we shouldn’t be just repeating same cycle and only reacting when things fall apart but that seems to be the pattern.
Please do tell us what publishers think once you get to them. Think you might start to prepare yourself for luxury life judging from your posts here mate.
Exactly. We made the same mistake with Mourinho by giving him a huge new contract and then sacking him six months or so later.
We all do! We all do!
I just try to point out some of the difficulties every manager would have trying to succeed with just that.
I clearly said i'm looking forward to the meltdown.
And you don't mind any of the actual consequences such decision would bring?
I just don't get why anyone would think this. From us being 2nd looking like we'd have to properly collapse to not finish in the top 4, to end up failing? He'd be done, especially as we'd be finishing the season poorly, it wouldn't like we'd have a late spurt of good results to make things look promising for the future. The Glazers want that sweet sweet CL coin, now more than ever. It would be a clear sign of regression, he'd be out.
I think you both underestimate the negative message it sends out everywhere to let a manager run down his contract. It rarely happens anywhere in football. Clubs don't give managers long contracts because they worry about them being poached. They do it because stability, or at least the illusion of it, is incredibly important.
The players, the staff, the fans, potential recruits - all negatively affected by uncertainty over a managers future.
If we finish top 4 he will get an extension, otherwise he will get sacked, as simple as that from the board’s point of view.
If he gets an extension it will be once the season has finished, there’s barely any time this season for preparations between games, let alone for contract extension talks which can wait for a couple of months. Only extensions / decisions which may be made earlier would be stuff like Cavani‘s extension due to some deadline.
Also this being a yes man and not blaming the board openly is kindergarten stuff really. Ole is intelligent enough to know that no one is ever going to win an open or hidden war against the board and that it will not benefit anyone. I am sure in private conversations he is telling them what we need, we didn’t spend the whole summer chasing Sancho, if Ole and the board agreed that the squad was already complete.
Still if people want some “proof” about him being a yes man, if this was the case he would be playing VdB much more. Why?
Board signing: Oh yes, me as a yes man wants to see the board happy.
Ole signing: I can’t admit I made a mistake by signing him, but I would be admitting this if I don’t play him.
At the end he is most likely just not using him much because so far he just doesn’t seem to rate him. If he was a board signing then this is a protest and being anything but a yes man.
If he was his signing then he is admitting by not using him that he made a mistake.
Whichever way you look at it, VdB’s (non)-use isn’t an example of a yes man.
But as I said it’s not that examples are needed anyway for this. Out of all the things to criticise him, not attacking the board or not having digs at them is one of the most bizarre ones.
If he gets an extension it will be once the season has finished, there’s barely any time this season for preparations between games, let alone for contract extension talks which can wait for a couple of months. Only extensions / decisions which may be made earlier would be stuff like Cavani‘s extension due to some deadline.
Also this being a yes man and not blaming the board openly is kindergarten stuff really. Ole is intelligent enough to know that no one is ever going to win an open or hidden war against the board and that it will not benefit anyone. I am sure in private conversations he is telling them what we need, we didn’t spend the whole summer chasing Sancho, if Ole and the board agreed that the squad was already complete.
Still if people want some “proof” about him being a yes man, if this was the case he would be playing VdB much more. Why?
Board signing: Oh yes, me as a yes man wants to see the board happy.
Ole signing: I can’t admit I made a mistake by signing him, but I would be admitting this if I don’t play him.
At the end he is most likely just not using him much because so far he just doesn’t seem to rate him. If he was a board signing then this is a protest and being anything but a yes man.
If he was his signing then he is admitting by not using him that he made a mistake.
Whichever way you look at it, VdB’s (non)-use isn’t an example of a yes man.
But as I said it’s not that examples are needed anyway for this. Out of all the things to criticise him, not attacking the board or not having digs at them is one of the most bizarre ones.
As things stand it would send out a similarly bad message to reward him with a new contract as things stand.
Wait and see how the season plays out.
While you are correct 4th with no trophy would be a crap season and would be regression so I would sack him for that
Wait till the end of the season, if he gets us top 4 he should just get a 12 month extension to stop him being in his final year.
If he exceeds that and gets top 4 and a cup I wouldn't be wholly against a 2 year extension.
Until he wins the title we should never be looking beyond that.
If we drop out of the top 4 I'd let him go.
If he exceeds that and gets top 4 and a cup I wouldn't be wholly against a 2 year extension.
Until he wins the title we should never be looking beyond that.
If we drop out of the top 4 I'd let him go.
Depends on what you think the consequences will be.
I think he's doing a good job and hope he gets a long term contract.
So we all seem to agree that if he got 4th with no trophy he will get a new contract.
In my opinion though that would be a very poor season and a regression on last season.
I would honestly let him go for that.
In my opinion though that would be a very poor season and a regression on last season.
I would honestly let him go for that.
Yes he was. As I recall, he got banned, changed his username and came back, posted for a while until it became obvious that he was the same person (his ludicrous, confabulatory style was unmistakable), denied the accusation repeatedly, got banned again and did not return.
He was a staunch defender of the Glazers.
Basically Ole is still on the job because he is a yes man who will bend over to whatever the board tell him
The extension is likely already agreed, the club is probably just finding the right time to announce it. As a few have suggested, he’s the Glazer dream, no way he’s sacked since they’ll view being 2nd despite being 14 points adrift as progress.
We ain't second mate. And it's likely we'll be very close to 4th and 5th once the games play out this weekend
I'd agree with you if there was actual progress. The quality of football is horrible, and we can't seem to find a way to play against teams that can actually defend. Our points total is basically the same as the previous managers who were sacked. We're yet to reach a final in a cup competition and when we're under pressure we just crumble...
What is the much bigger picture?
Quality is not there.
Points are not there.
Trophies are not there.
He cleared the deadwood and he's building a much better squad? We could do with Smalling right now? Lukaku? Darmian? Even Ashley Young is looking better than AWB. I just don't see it. We still need a center back, right back, right wing, striker, and a holding midfielder. That's exactly what we needed when he came in. So, where is the progress?