gormless
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Jaap Stam will forever be tainted in my view after Craig David outmuscled him. 5 minutes in. The Zamarano incident does slightly make up for it though
Vidic has done the same with most players who have partnered him.No you couldn't.
Well you could but you'd be wrong. Rio made Mikael Silvestre seem world class, for crying out loud. He doesn't need anyone to make him look good.
You make it sound like Vidic is in his first season..People have short memories, or didn't see Stam play. He was a colossus.
Vidic is very good, and I thought he was immense on Sunday but I would still rate Stam higher.
Where did I imply that? I think you're taking this a bit too personally. They're both fantastic, I just think Stam was better.You make it sound like Vidic is in his first season..
Agree. Top class defenders don't need a certain individual around to make them look good. However they do need a good partner to make the defense look good.Vidic has done the same with most players who have partnered him.
Neither does he need anyone to make him look good.
Above quote relating to McGrath.No way. Maybe he'd have gone on to be better had he not been a bit of an idot but there's no chance he was better than Stam, Vidic and Rio.
Maybe more naturally gifted than them (though I would still argue Rio was more naturally gifted) but a better defender? Nah. Not havin it.
Questioning peoples opinions with your first line maybe?Where did I imply that? I think you're taking this a bit too personally. They're both fantastic, I just think Stam was better.
This is a good point - but at the same time can you hold it against Vidic for there not being the same amount of quality around?IMO, i thought Stam might have had that little extra bit of pace and edge on the "ground", over Vidic. But strength wise, even though Stam looks stronger (or more evil ), I have yet to see Vidic getting "physically bullied" - the way Stam did against Carsten Jancker in that UCL final.
(then again I've not seen Stam being outplayed by someone like Torres - then again that might have been a once off)...shite, this stuff is confusing even me!
Overall I'd probably rate Vidic higher, especially since his Captain and he'd have stayed with us a bit longer! (if im not mistaken!). But only just.
(Stam also shone in a period when we had some top top defenders around Europe - Italians, Germans, Argentinians. These days I'm struggling to name more then 3-4 top top Central defenders outside of United!).
How does questioning peoples opinions make it sound like it's Vidic's first season?Questioning peoples opinions with your first line maybe?
I respect your opinion, I never said anything about you thinking Stam was Better, did I?
You have to understand, Vuc is not a Manchester United fan, he is a Nemanja Vidic fan...and he takes any slight criticism of Vidic very personally.How does questioning peoples opinions make it sound like it's Vidic's first season?
Spot on.You have to understand, Vuc is not a Manchester United fan, he is a Nemanja Vidic fan...and he takes any slight criticism of Vidic very personally.
Not holding it against Vida at all, just trying to emphasise how difficult it is to really seperate the 2!This is a good point - but at the same time can you hold it against Vidic for there not being the same amount of quality around?
Probably a blind manAny bets on who opens a new thread called "Pallister v Rio"
Not sure, I guess it was a knee-jerk/sensitive comment.How does questioning peoples opinions make it sound like it's Vidic's first season?
I agree. And for what its worth Stam was a better player than Vidic.Rio is better than both, that's my two pence worth.
I don't you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. Note, I didn't actually say anything was wrong with bill's opinion about stam being better.You have to understand, Vuc is not a Manchester United fan, he is a Nemanja Vidic fan...and he takes any slight criticism of Vidic very personally.
No Problem.Not sure, I guess it was a knee-jerk/sensitive comment.
Sorry
I agree it's really hard.Not holding it against Vida at all, just trying to emphasise how difficult it is to really seperate the 2!
On a side note, the same argument could be construed against Stam - he arguably had a greater/stronger midfield protecting him! But alas, i just find it really difficult to seperate the 2.
The best way, IMO to describe Stam, would be a bit better then Vidic on the ground, with Vidic being arguably one of the best defenders in the air. Anyone who can conclusively say who is better is a very confident man.