From 2.29 in this video Ornstein talks about United.
We can buy Cunha (£62.5m) and Delap (£30m) without any sales. Also both are not related on playing European football next season. Pleased to hear we have circa £92.5m available for 2 quick buys.
Sales will then allow us to buy more. Lets say:
The above sales should leave us with another £100m to invest = new central midfielder, £60m. New wingback, £40m.
- Rashford (£40m)
- Sancho (£25m)
- Antony (£20m)
- Greenwood (sell on profit clause - I'll guess £15m)
Moving on to the more difficult sales, I think we may also sell Garnacho as he doesn't fit the system (£60m), and Hojlund (£20m) and Onana (£20m), which would allow us to buy = another new striker (£60m) and new goalkeeper (£40m).
Plus the removal of Lindelof and Eriksen wages (£120k and £150k per week). Heaton will be gone too (£40k per week) so we will need a new cheap third keeper.
Could be a big summer.
When a player contract expires then the amortised cost of the basic transfer fee has expired, however if he has various bonus clauses included then they are normally settled during the last year and some ancillary payments can be made after the contract term has expired dependent on the two teams reaching an Agreement. Maybe a good example was Bruno £47.6m rising to £63m subject to bonuses for trophies, CL Qualification , performance and appearances etc. If part of that £15m bonus gives £2m per year as part of a £3m per year bonus in CL and we qualify for the CL by wining the Europa League then United would owe Sporting £2m and 10% of that fee to Sampdoria as payments in 25-26 season. Thats my assumption anyway having read endless UEFA rulesInteresting thanks!
When you say you've assumed that players who've had a contract extension don't have further PSR costs, do you mean after they've been here 5 years? And how much of an assumption is this? Is it likely to be true?
The Times newspaper said today, the summer budget is £100m plus any funds from sales. So not that much. If we look for free transfers and players in last year of their contracts, we might be able to put together a team next season to avoid relegation.
100M + any money from sales is pretty workable and decent tbh. That's Cunha + Delap funded, and then any extras through sales. Seems reasonable. You manage to get rid of Rashford, Antony, Sancho, that's probably enough to fund a centre mid and a wing back.The Times newspaper said today, the summer budget is £100m plus any funds from sales. So not that much. If we look for free transfers and players in last year of their contracts, we might be able to put together a team next season to avoid relegation.
Money isn’t a problem?We'll spend loads, and money isn't a problem. It's lack of effective squad clearout can create complications both in the office, and then on the pitch.
No, if you can balance it with much needed departures.Money isn’t a problem?
Money is a huge problem. Yes, we can somewhat mitigate our transfer constraints by selling players with economic value, but it doesn't change the fact that our finances are absolutely fecked.We'll spend loads, and money isn't a problem. It's lack of effective squad clearout can create complications both in the office, and then on the pitch.
But under the Glazers our cash on hand has dwindled over the last 5 years to effectively nothing and we have been buying players on credit. Sir Jim is not interested in investing in the squad and after losing a quarter if his wealth in the last 12 months is beginning to make the sort of noises that suggest INEOS may be considering an exit strategy already. A lot of the players we would like to sell are the ones we still owe a shedload of money on too and so the revenues won't be great there either.No, if you can balance it with much needed departures.
I hear every window, we lack money, but we found ways even under sole Glazer's ownership, and now with Sir Jim who seem to be keen on investing, it really doesn't scares me much, in that aspect.
Do you live under a rock? We're skint.We'll spend loads, and money isn't a problem. It's lack of effective squad clearout can create complications both in the office, and then on the pitch.
Sudden change of manager, most likely is forcing the club to spend on needed players for current formation. The supposed money problem in huge part originated from that decision.Money is a huge problem. Yes, we can somewhat mitigate our transfer constraints by selling players with economic value, but it doesn't change the fact that our finances are absolutely fecked.
Players we possess represent money value, so open your mind.Do you live under a rock? We're skint.
That's exactly what needs to happen. Strategy without panic, bargains are there, just like in the past. Use Saudi market if needed.But under the Glazers our cash on hand has dwindled over the last 5 years to effectively nothing and we have been buying players on credit. Sir Jim is not interested in investing in the squad and after losing a quarter if his wealth in the last 12 months is beginning to make the sort of noises that suggest INEOS may be considering an exit strategy already. A lot of the players we would like to sell are the ones we still owe a shedload of money on too and so the revenues won't be great there either.
We need to start looking for bargains and we also need to be very strategic in our thinking. We are allowed a couple of loan players so let us use that and plug a couple of gaps with stopgap loan signings and hope to be better placed to make a long term investment in another year. We will need to hunt for a few bargains but they are out there, we just need to not panic and overpay for players who don't fill an obvious need or who are too wedded to a specific system.
I hate seeing this myth brought up time and time again. Accounting profits don't magically make cash appear in your bank account.
What about the hundreds of millions we spent to get Hojlund, Antony, and Sancho in the club in the first place? That doesn't just disappear off the books.
They do if your credit is good. All the actual transfers of money are mostly done through banks anywaysI hate seeing this myth brought up time and time again. Accounting profits don't magically make cash appear in your bank account.
There's also the inconvenient fact that even if we did have the cash to pay for such purchases, we'd still be on the hook for their accounting expenses for the next few years.
We're already very stretched there.They do if your credit is good. All the actual transfers of money are mostly done through banks anyways
She hasn't a clueI hate seeing this myth brought up time and time again. Accounting profits don't magically make cash appear in your bank account.
There's also the inconvenient fact that even if we did have the cash to pay for such purchases, we'd still be on the hook for their accounting expenses for the next few years.
She hasn't a clue
Yes, that's likely to become unsustainanle in the long run, unless you secure extremely favorable payment terms or your revenue goes up significantly every yearWe're already very stretched there.
The implication is that through accounting magic, we can sell £100m worth of players and sign £400-500m worth of players as a result every season. That's not realistic nor sustainable.
Yeah but she forgets just like he does that we still owe money on players from previous transfersKieran Maguire actually backs up her claim. She has more of a clue that you think.
Also cash is not the issue PSR is. United can borrow cash to pay transfer fees and also most of the deals you would do would be paid on instalments over the years of the contract.
Also the post is talking about selling quite a few players to make that happen not just Rashford and Garnacho
Thats been the budget more or less every summer for the past 5 yearsThe Times newspaper said today, the summer budget is £100m plus any funds from sales. So not that much. If we look for free transfers and players in last year of their contracts, we might be able to put together a team next season to avoid relegation.
We're already very stretched there.
The implication is that through accounting magic, we can sell £100m worth of players and sign £400-500m worth of players as a result every season. That's not realistic nor sustainable.
Yeah but she forgets just like he does that we still owe money on players from previous transfers
Yes, that's likely to become unsustainanle in the long run, unless you secure extremely favorable payment terms or your revenue goes up significantly every year
We actaully need to make about 7-8 signings this summer. Not all starters though and 2-3 can be young cheap prospects like Heaven. The 5-6 must be starting calibre players and we need to be making use of the free transfer market tooWe need to spend at least 200 - 250 million on 5-6 players. It's partly due to needing to get young, hungry, more athletic and technical proficient players but also because I think the current squads mentally is destroyed. It's going to be hard to get those players confidence back at United and I think we need a huge clear out this summer.
Exactly.
Even in PSR terms its not really sustainable because you're booking 100m PSR profit for the 25-26 accounting year and making 100m PSR commitments for not just that accounting year but also the next three or four accounting years. So hold all else equal and in 26-27 you're going to need to find another 100m in PSR profit, then again in 27-28, etc.
This is why Chelsea eventually had to start selling themselves their own hotels.
Yeah I will agree with you on thatWe actaully need to make about 7-8 signings this summer. Not all starters though and 2-3 can be young cheap prospects like Heaven
Yea but I think with a new starting GK, RWB, CM, AM and CF we would be a different team. That would be almost 50 percent of the team refreshed. Also we will need a smaller squad next season due to no Europe.We actaully need to make about 7-8 signings this summer. Not all starters though and 2-3 can be young cheap prospects like Heaven
We can also look at the loan market. Be open to good opportunities as they present themselves. We don't have to sign 7-8 players who are all perfect prospects who will be the spine of the team for the next 5 years in one window. You can stick a loan player or two in there as a placeholder til next sumer, you can sign a veteran free agent on a shorter term contract as we did with Evans. What we cannot do is run out next season with almost the same squad that finished this season. Amorim, or whoever is in charge, needs a squad that fits their style of play and then we can upgrade the placeholders over the course of a few windows.We actaully need to make about 7-8 signings this summer. Not all starters though and 2-3 can be young cheap prospects like Heaven
No Europe means we should be more aggressive in moving on rubbish like Shaw and Maguire and Casemiro. We can also sellYea but I think with a new starting GK, RWB, CM, AM and CF we would be a different team. That would be almost 50 percent of the team refreshed. Also we will need a smaller squad next season due to no Europe.
I agree. Its entirely possibe to refresh the squad. The question is does the recruitment team have the skill and do the club have the will.We can also look at the loan market. Be open to good opportunities as they present themselves. We don't have to sign 7-8 players who are all perfect prospects who will be the spine of the team for the next 5 years in one window. You can stick a loan player or two in there as a placeholder til next sumer, you can sign a veteran free agent on a shorter term contract as we did with Evans. What we cannot do is run out next season with almost the same squad that finished this season. Amorim, or whoever is in charge, needs a squad that fits their style of play and then we can upgrade the placeholders over the course of a few windows.
Maguire will stay, we activated the extra year and he's been quite good. Also has leadership qualities. Shaw has to go though if we can find a buyerNo Europe means we should be more aggressive in moving on rubbish like Shaw and Maguire
