Synth Draft: R1 - Skizzo vs Physiocrat

With players at their career peak, who would win?


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TEAM SKIZZO


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TEAM SKIZZO FORMATION AND TACTICS

Formation: 4-2-3-1

In goal we have Neville Southall. The Welsh keeper was one of the best around in his pomp, and he'd man the sticks here. In front of him is Marius Tresor and Claudio Gentile. The complementary pairing boasts athleticism, pace, ability on the ball, and a sound defensive game. The pair would look to nullify Careca and isolate him where possible. The two full back spots are taken by Sandy Jardine and Zygmunt Anczok. Maybe not the most familiar names to those outside the drafts, but both have appeared and showcased their abilities before, and more will be posted in the thread. Both have a good all round game and offer enough going forward to complement their defensive abilities as well.

The midfield, and team in general, is run by Captain Marvel Bryan Robson. Given a role here to let him burst forward when necessary as his partner Olaf Thon will be slightly more reserved. Robson will play his all action game, and would grab this game by the scruff of the neck in a midfield battle that he'd look to swing our way. Enzo Francescoli plays ahead of them and will look to play in overlaps from midfield, as well as take advantage of the movement ahead of him with two pacy, skillful wingers, and a clinical striker.

Allen Simonsen takes up his spot on the right, with Oleh Blokhin looking to wreak havoc on the left. Both are capable of turning their defensive counterpart inside-out, and offer a significant goal threat. Quini makes his first appearance in a draft, and the Spanish hitman will look to do what he does best...and thats score goal. A Clinical striker in his day, with the movement around him, and the ability to find his feet with passing from Enzo and Robson, he'd look to take advantage of some space in the box.

Good luck Physio! more player info/discussion points to come during the thread.

TEAM PHYSIOCRAT FORMATION AND TACTICS

Tactics

Asymmetric 433 with a libero

Defensive Line Moderate/High
Moderate/High risk possession team (possession with a purpose) stretching the play both laterally and vertically.

Player Name - Player Position - Player Role/Info

Walter Zenga - Goalkeeper - IFFHS Goalkeeper of the year '88, '89 and '90. Inter keeper for over 10 years and has 58 caps for Italy.

Elias Figueroa - Libero- bring the ball out from the back utilising his passing range and to join the midfield in attack. FIFA voted him best player in the world in '75 and '76.

Oscar Ruggeri- Centre Back - Classic stopper. La Liga Foreign player of the year '89 and SA Footballer of the year '91. 97 caps for Argentina. In 86' won the World Cup with Argentina and the Libertadores with River Plate.

Anatoliy Demyanenko - Attacking Right Back – Bomb forward and overlap Littbarski. Dynamo Kiev legend with 333 appearances and 80 caps for the USSR. Voted third greatest Ukranian player of all-time behind Blokhin and Shevchenko.

Emlyn Hughes - Defensive Left-back/ CB - Began his career at left back and ended up as a CB so is the perfect play to move to CB when Figueroa moves into midfield. Captain of the great Liverpool side of the 70s (four leagues and two European Cups) and also captained England. Footballer of the year in '77.


Franky van der Elst – DM – Destroyer however he also had great timing and positional sense. Perfect for shielding the back four and for playing accurate simple, passes. Won the Belgian Golden Shoe twice which is pretty impressive for a defensive midfielder. 466 appearances for Club Bruges and 86 caps for Belgium and played in four consecutive world cups.

Victor Munoz – Box-to-box CM– He had a great engine and good technique. With over 200 appearances for Barca including a La Liga title and 60 for Spain his energy will provide a great complement to the midfield.

Carlos Valderrama – Attacking CM Playmaker – the great Colombian playmaker with excellent passing and dribbling ability. He will start off deepish but move forward to a more classic 10 position in possession. His through balls to the front three will be a nightmare for Sizz's defence. South American footballer of the year '87 and '93.

Pierre Littbarski - Right Wing Forward – Wide forward role to cut in with his excellent dribbling and provide a goal threat as well as playing in Careca - Littbarski most assists in the 1982 World Cup. At Koln between '81-85 he averaged nearly a goal every two games which easily equal in this side.

John Barnes - Playmaking Left Winger - Great dribbler and crosser but with far greater intelligence than a typical winger who will be a dream for Careca. Player of the Year in '88 and '90. Also a member of the PFA's team of the century (players between 1977-1996).

Careca - Striker - If he would have been fit Brazil could well have won the '82 World Cup. An almost 1 in 2 record for Napoli in Serie A's ultra-defensive heyday. Excellent movement and intelligence he will be a hand-full on the ground and in the air.
 

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@Damien @Raoul can some of you guys can help out with a poll?

With players at their career peak, who would win?
- Team Skizzo
- Team Physiocrat

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Yeah. Typo. Still point stands.
Barnes was not your typical left winger, he later on played as a centre mid and was a goalscoring wing-forward who could playmake in equal measure.. a very all-round left flank threat.

There is nothing wrong with the way he is being used here IMO.
 

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Barnes was not your typical left winger, he later on played as a centre mid and was a goalscoring wing-forward who could playmake in equal measure.. a very all-round left flank threat.

There is nothing wrong with the way he is being used here IMO.
I had him similar to Giggs using his pace and ability to make runs beating fullbacks as his strengths. Very different from Stoichkov/Messi type Inside Forwards who play 4-3-3.
 

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I had him similar to Giggs using his pace and ability to make runs beating fullbacks as his strengths. Very different from Stoichkov/Messi type Inside Forwards who play 4-3-3.
Yup that would be a misunderstanding of who Barnes was as a player. He was more of a Figo type wideman who was a playmaker out wide but with more pace/power and goalthreat (but I wouldn't rate him as high as Figo but talent wise Barnes was ridiculously gifted).

Whereas Giggs was always a support act even at his peak, Barnes could be the main man in a side, his decision making on the ball was better and he was more head up, proper threat in the box whereas Giggs was more reliant on his pace and more chaotic in terms of style..
 

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Enrique Castro Gonzalez - "Quini"

In 12 seasons with Sporting Gijon, Quini scored in double figures in all but one season. He won the Pichichi Trophy 7 times, 5 in La Liga, and 2 in the Segunda Division, and the Don Balon Award in 1978-79.

Modern football has become so sanitised in this day and age that it’s hard to recall if there was ever a time that top European football players were always so readily approachable. Teams of security personnel, management consultants and the like pore over just about every detail and facet of a player’s life that it’s hard to reconcile their mode of living as being in the real world.

Back in the late 1970s and early 1980s, even the superstars of Real Madrid and Barcelona would stop and chat with supporters after a game, happily signing autographs and posing for photos. The working-class element of the game that wove a thread through every club was just as prevalent at Spain’s big two as it was anywhere else. The sense of being at one with those who paid their hard-earned peseta was palpable.

Enrique Castro ‘Quini’ González was the serial Pichichi of his day and a player so revered by team-mates and opponents alike that he attained an almost God-like status in Spain. Yet he would never let his achievements or popularity get in the way of spending time with his adoring public.

He was born in Oviedo, the capital city of the Asturian region of Spain, on 23 September 1949, to María Elena González García and Enrique Castro. Though the family were well settled, and Quini would spend the early part of his formative years there, his father’s relocation to the Ensidesa steel manufacturing company meant a move some 35 kilometres north to Llaranes.

The area, known as El Poblado, was built to house some 8,000 new inhabitants, almost all of whom would work for the company. Indeed, the land that was primarily built upon was directly in front of their place of work – a stark behemoth of a factory which oozed toxic smoke day in and day out, casting a dark shadow across town. Excavations at the time unearthed many Roman coins and several axes from the Neolithic period, and these can still be found at museums in the locale.

Quini took the new start in his stride, despite his young age and having had to leave childhood friends behind. It was perhaps the earliest example of the incredible mental strength that he possessed and which would stand him in good stead for one of the most unsavoury situations of his adult life – an incident which would’ve broken lesser mortals.

Both María and Enrique Snr. took care to ensure their son’s transition to a new school and environment was the least painful it could be, and the ease with which he settled suggested to Quini’s parents that they’d made the right choices.

A love for football had already been passed down from father to son and it wasn’t uncommon to find Quini out with a ball and looking to play until the sun began to set. Initially, there was a need for the youngster to evidence to his neighbours, friends and classmates that he could handle the rough stuff too. Llaranes wasn’t an area where one showed weakness and, being the new boy in town, he had to ride out that particular storm too.

As he began to mature, becoming a stocky adolescent with a rifle-like shot, he would often enjoy a kick-about with boys quite a bit older than himself. The occasional battering was welcomed because it helped Quini learn the rudiments of that side of the game and toughened him up in the process. Shirt pulling, raking of studs down the back of his calves, it was all in a day’s work, whether it was at school, playing for his modest junior team, Don Bosco, or just on the streets with friends.

Quini’s love of all aspects of the game was infectious and by the time he made it as a professional, all of the tricks of the defensive trade and how to combat them were known.

He continued to learn his craft whilst playing for the youth teams of Club Deportivo Ensidesa. Formerly Club Deportivo Llarenes, it was taken over by his father’s company two years prior to Quini’s debut season in the first team as an 18-year-old in 1967. By then it had essentially become the works team and though consistently in the Tercera División (third tier) at the time, it was nevertheless a well-run amateur club.

Ensidesa were a big employer in Avilés, an industrial town a couple of miles from the suburb of Llanares. Real Avilés were another local team and one who would begin to falter as Ensidesa worked their way up to the Segunda División for the first time in their history. Eventually it made sense to pool resources and the new Real Avilés still survives today.

By that time, Quini had left. He was a revelation; 17 goals in 22 games brought him huge local attention. His father had understood that his son was special, but it was only during the 1967-68 season that the penny had truly dropped. Sporting Gijon had been alerted to this wunderkind and his incredible striking prowess, and negotiations between the two teams were swift and cordial as might’ve been expected.

Far from showing any nervousness in his debut campaign, Quini hit the ground running, surprising even the most experienced of defenders in the Segunda with his strength and eye for goal. With 15 goals to his name by the end of the season, he had surpassed all expectations and went on to prove that he was no one-season wonder either. There was no stopping him or Sporting as they ended the following season on top of the pile and were promoted to the Primera División.

A mixture of quick feet, strength, aerial and finishing ability was a nightmare for any opposition to contend with and defences were continuously annihilated in the Spanish top flight. In 11 seasons at Sporting, only once did Quinigol, as he became known, fail to hit double figures.

Barcelona had tried, and failed, on several occasions to prise him from the Asturians but, after scoring 215 goals in 380 appearances, the time was right to consider a change.

By the time that the Catalans finally got their man in 1980, he was 31, but still cost the Blaugrana 82 million pesetas of their budget. The Spanish papers were awash with critique that suggested Barça had been sucked into paying over the odds but after top scoring in his opening two seasons at Camp Nou, it was Barça who laughed last.





However, during that period came Barcelona’s darkest hour and unquestionably one of the worst episodes in football history. Sunday, 1 March 1981, was a day that changed Quini’s life forever. Having scored twice to help Barça destroy Hércules 6-0 at Camp Nou, he left the stadium and was on his way to the airport to collect his wife, Maria Nieves, and their children.

Kidnapped at gunpoint by a group known as the Batallon Catalano-Espanyol, he was destined never to complete that particular journey. Filing a missing person’s report later in the day, Maria was out of her mind, but far from getting better, the situation got much worse just a day later.

Without sleep, the family were at their wits end and then came the news that La Vanguardia had received a call from one of Quini’s captors. On 8 March, Barça were due to play Atlético Madrid and for all intents and purposes, Quini had been taken to ensure that he didn’t play any part. “The team cannot win the ‘separatists’ league,” his captors would remark.

Barcelona were in second place at the time, two points behind Atleti, but were the form team heading into that fixture. Quini’s absence would have a significant impact on their ability to win the match – not that anyone wished to play it once the details of what had happened filtered out into the public domain.

Bernd Schuster was one of the first players to stick his head above the parapet and tell anyone who wished to listen that he wasn’t in the right frame of mind for football. Team-mates quickly followed suit. Football could take a back seat for now. Spanish football remained in shock because this sort of thing just didn’t happen. Sadly, it had happened, and now the conspiracy theories came thick and fast.

A tense political atmosphere at the time hardly helped in calming the noise surrounding the incident and it was three days before Quini’s wife Maria received a call detailing the captors’ ransom demands. It came at 11.30pm local time and she was in no mood to dance to their tune.

Local police, unsure at first if the call was genuine, took their time in assessing its validity. Subsequent similar calls continued on a daily basis and news coverage was carefully coordinated between police and newspaper editors in order that they, rather than the captors, remained in some form of control. A carrot and stick approach over the demands if you will.

Club president, Josep Lluís Núñez, and Quini’s team-mates, José Ramón Alexanko and Segura, looked after Maria and her children, fearing for their safety, It was as far removed from the preparation required for Barça’s biggest match of the season as it’s possible to be.

Without any sign whatsoever of Quini being released, his colleagues were coerced against their will to take part in the game at the Vicente Calderón. A 1-0 defeat was hardly a surprise given the circumstances and Schuster was incandescent when talking to the press afterwards.




Both club coach, Helenio Herrera, and President Núñez were squarely blamed for the loss and the club captain even went as far as questioning their abilities for their respective positions. The atmosphere had turned poisonous and it wasn’t going to recover anytime soon. Any petty in-fighting would have to wait until Quini’s release had been secured.

On the pitch, things went from bad to, well, horrific. Genuine title contenders before Quini’s capture, Barcelona took just a single point from their next five games. All the while the club were still trying to go about their business as best they could, leaving the police to keep a close eye on everything else. Each day, Maria would receive a call from the kidnappers but they were never on the phone long enough for a trace to be effective. We are talking well before the digital age of course.

With genuine fears that Quini might never be seen again, a breakthrough was made after the kidnappers spoke to Alexanko – by this point it had been three weeks since the striker had disappeared. An amount of 100 million pesetas – to be paid into a Swiss bank – would secure Quini’s release, unharmed.

With the weight of the Spanish footballing public behind them, chief of police, Francisco Álvarez Sánchez and his Swiss counterpart decided it was the right time to act. Amidst complete secrecy, save for Barcelona and Swiss authorities being kept in the loop, Victor Manuel Díaz Esteban was the recipient of a cool 100 million.

Greed would get the better of him in Geneva on 25 March as he withdrew just one million pesetas. It had taken almost two days of patience, of sleepless nights and of what if’s, but the tireless work of Álvarez Sánchez and his team had paid off. The lead took them to a garage in Zaragoza and three unemployed Spaniard’s were apprehended. Quini, despite his significantly traumatic ordeal, looked in remarkable health but was clearly exhausted – perhaps mentally more so than physically.

Stockholm Syndrome appeared to be setting in, which was of most concern. Quini refused to press charges against his captors suggesting he’d been well treated and even after they were sent to jail and ordered to pay him five million pesetas some six months later, the player didn’t – and still hasn’t – claimed his damages.

It’s incredible that to think just a few weeks after his release, the striker was back in the groove again, afforded rousing standing ovations at every ground. He was as popular then as ever, but the question marks over his career were many. His answer was emphatic. Scoring two goals against his old employers, Sporting, helped to win Barcelona the Copa del Rey and he’d go on to be top scorer at the end of the season – despite missing almost a month of it.

On 15 January of the following year, the case against his kidnappers was eventually heard and they were sentenced. As if to bookend the incident, just five days after that Barcelona’s 3,000th goal would be scored – by Quini, of course.

It drew a line under the entire episode but not his career. After another campaign, he would head back to Sporting at age 35 before retiring a genuine Spanish football legend three seasons later

and the obligatory highlight videos of his goals from YouTube...some of those finishes :eek:



243 goals in 421 appearances for Sporting Gijon
77 goals in 142 appearances for Barcelona
 

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I don't see an issue with Barnes playing there. Great little player, and @Pat_Mustard and I had many a discussion about him in previous drafts (Usually at Pat's suggestion :lol:) and he's a cracking winger.

The issue I do see, is that he's being used as an attacking winger on that left side, and the fullback on that side is being asked to tuck into center defense, and the LCM is being asked to push into the central area...so thats a lot of work required for him on the flank, especially if you expect him to have an impact offensively.
 

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Also, more just out of curiosity because i haven't seen him played there before, so please fill me in :)

but I've always seen Demyanenko as a left back/left sided player.

Wiki -
Playing position Left Back, Left Winger

Hey guys, few points about Demianenko - he was definitely right-footed, but I've never seen him playing on right side. I have over 30 games of USSR and Dinamo Kiev of the 80's, and I've never seen him playing WF either. Lobanovsky coaching style could be described as total-football, so obviously players did not stick strictly to their positions, but he was primarily used as left back/left wing.[/spoiler]

He was a tireless runner, and I know he was right footed, but is there footage of him on the right (and being effective at that?) because if so, I'd love to know (partly so I could use that information if i ever needed a right back in future drafts and hes available :D )
 

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Our best advantage here against Physio, is the goal scoring threat we offer.

Quini, I posted about above, and his goal scoring record speaks for itself, and is comparable to Careca.

The differences I see is the secondary goal threats available for each team. Littbarski and Barnes, while great wingers, don't offer the same threat as Blokhin and Simonsen.

Not only that, but with Demyanenko set up as an attacking right back, Blokhin has extra space in behind to attack that defense. Similar issues on the other side with Hughes looking to play both left back and cover centrally, means Simonsen can float around out there to find space to exploit.

That's not a slight on Physio's defense, because Don Elias is the best defender on the pitch, but the rest are all on a somewhat similar level, but the instructions of that defense is what could cause problems and allow Blokhin and Simonsen to have some success.

I also think Robson would enjoy this game as I don't see anyone providing too stern a test for him in that opposition midfield. Everyone is already acutely aware of how he can grab a game by the scruff of the neck and drive his team forward, and I don't see who would stop him doing that here.

 

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The three players behind the striker would be an absolute nightmare for defenses anyway, and I see it causing even more issues with the instructions of the opposition with Demyanenko attacking on the right, and Hughes both tucking in and playing defensive left back.

These three would be attacking space, exploiting the openings, and able to switch flanks/positions as they saw fit.

Oleh Blokhin - 225 goals in 495 games


Allan Simonsen - 202 goals in 500 games


and Enzo Francescoli - 198 goals in 510 games (some as a striker)

 

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That arrow from the fullback to the centre back to tuck in is so very tempting as a manager sometimes, but I feel it does more harm than good when it comes to votes.
 

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That arrow from the fullback to the centre back to tuck in is so very tempting as a manager sometimes, but I feel it does more harm than good when it comes to votes.
I can see what you're saying. The arrows do sometimes imply what you expect a player to do during the game. Obviously Figueroa isn't going walkabout all game meaning Hughes has to constantly be there...but I usually take the arrows as implying general movement due to a game plan, which may or may not be received well from voters.
 

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Here we go -

First John Barnes- his described role was just to recognise his style of play- he wasn't say a Giggs type left winger @Edgar Allan Pillow. I am not using him as an inside forward, more like Finney who was a proper winger but drifted in more than Matthews.

Also he has less defensive responsibility than he had at Liverpool so I see nothing other than him thriving. He will have little support from Hughes but he had little support back then in 442s. Further, I'd rather have Valderama as support on the inside than an attacking full back overlapping.

In regards the defense structure, it is some what attacking but it is primarily there to get the best out of Figueroa. Too often in drafts he's just used as a complete defender but he really got stuck into the attack similar to Beckenbauer.


The above video shows him marauding forward which is what I want to liberate him for. Also why do I need to keep three defenders back when attacking when I have two CBs protected by a proper DM, an advanced Libero and a Box-to-box CM. It is hardly more attacking, and possibly less so than the current Real side who get both full backs far further forward than Figueroa will on average. If the ball goes to the wings Hughes or Ruggeri can go outwide and van der Elst can drop into CB and Figueroa to DM until the basic structure is retained when Demyanenko returns.

With regards Demyanenko playing right back cue some old vids from @Joga Bonito

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-uefa-euro-fantasy-draft.403052/page-57#post-17441184

Also when it comes to right footed left backs is that they play there because they're technically better than others so they are moved to left back and have a lesser player at right-back. Maldini and Tassotti come to mind. He will fit in excellently in an attacking right-back position overlapping Littbarski.
 

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That's a fine gig for Barnes. I'd love to see him in a modern 4231, he'd plunder 15-20 goals and assists a year no bother.
 

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Now onto the attack.

Quini looks a handy player but his goal record in La Liga has to take account of the average goals per game. At his peak the average goals per game was around 2.71 whereas in Serie A at Careca's peak it was just over 2.1. Also Quini is up against Figueroa and Ruggeri which is a monstrous task at the best of times and I think the intelligence and movement of Careca will fair better against Tresor and Gentile. Also for how good Southall was, which he genuinely was, Zenga won world goalkeeper of the year three years in a row.

Also whilst it is the case that looking at records alone Skizz's forwards have more goals in them as a unit I don't see them gelling that well. Neither Simonsen nor Blokhin are genuine wingers and nor they have support from an attacking full back. This will naturally bring much of the play inside where my spine can certainly keep them at bay.

This is entirely different to my front three in which Littbarski is entirely liberated to do his thing (he scored 1 in 2 at his peak) as is Barnes all with some deep orchestration from Valderama. Not forgetting Demyanenko on the overlap. Could you please tell me more about Anczok? He is going to have a very hard time against Littbarski and Demyanenko.

Now for some vids- this is a truly great performance from Valderrama against Argentina away.


Some great goals for Barnes-


And a reminder of the brilliant dribbling from Littbarski-

 

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Thanks for the bit on Demyanenko @Physiocrat it wasn't a dig, I was genuinely curious
No problem :) Just wanted to show the vid and why I think the, oh but he mainly played left-back, is largely a redundant argument and ignores how he actually plays. (I'm not saying you were arguing that, just wanted to preempt it)
 

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No problem :) Just wanted to show the vid and why I think the, oh but he mainly played left-back, is largely a redundant argument and ignores how he actually plays. (I'm not saying you were arguing that, just wanted to preempt it)
Yeah I think it becomes a bit of a lazy argument sometimes...whereas other times it's a genuine concern (Camacho for example :p )
 

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Love the Figueroa tactic, Hughes is perfect for the job. Btw who is Victor Munoz?
 

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Yeah I think it becomes a bit of a lazy argument sometimes...whereas other times it's a genuine concern (Camacho for example :p )
Camacho was a genuine problem because he was a left footed left back. He wasn't normally going to be a right back and was shifted over to left back because he had superior technique.
 

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You also have to take into account Quini was playing for Sporting Gijon...they weren't exactly setting the world alight, yet Quini still managed to consistently score goals, and eventually earned a move to Barcelona, where he continued to do so.

Also whilst it is the case that looking at records alone Skizz's forwards have more goals in them as a unit I don't see them gelling that well. Neither Simonsen nor Blokhin are genuine wingers and nor they have support from an attacking full back. This will naturally bring much of the play inside where my spine can certainly keep them at bay.

This is entirely different to my front three in which Littbarski is entirely liberated to do his thing (he scored 1 in 2 at his peak) as is Barnes all with some deep orchestration from Valderama. Not forgetting Demyanenko on the overlap. Could you please tell me more about Anczok? He is going to have a very hard time against Littbarski and Demyanenko.
Simonsen and Blokhin weren't hug the line wingers, but they're both intelligent players who will look to exploit space they're afforded. You can't expect Demyanenko to continually blast upfield and overlap, and expect it not to cause problems when Blokhin is there waiting. If you want to instruct something, there's going to be a pay off somewhere else. Same thing with Hughes tucking in with Figueroa pushing through the middle...Simonsen wouldn't look to take advantage of more space out wide with Barnes not tracking back? Of course he would. Its a bit of a disingenuous argument to suggest my wingers will just follow your defenders infield and all of a sudden be confused about how to attack space.

Also Francescoli would drift to find space, and with Blokhin cutting inside, he'd have channels on the left to look at. None of them are static, one dimensional players who would be confused and try to charge forward into the same space all game.

Zygmunt Anczok

Born March 14, 1946 in Lubliniec (Katowice province), son of John and Mary Ulfig, a graduate of the Technical Energy (1967) and coaching courses at the Katowice Academy of Physical Education (1981), coach class II. Player (177 cm, 79 kg) - left back, a local graduate of Sparta (1959-1963), the player Polonia Bytom (1963-1971, league), Gornik Zabrze (1971-1974), U.S. clubs in Chicago - the Vistula (1975), Katz Chicago 1975-1976) and the Norwegian Skeid Oslo (1977-1979, and league), as the first Polish player in the country. The Polonia Bytom enjoyed phenomenal success of American Football Cup Interligi (1965) and the Cup Rapp (1965), while playing in Górnik (three league seasons, 38 games) was in one year (1972) Polish champion and winner of the Polish Cup. He was 19 years old when he made his debut in the Polish National Team (1965 in a match against Scotland). He played a total of 48 A + 5 games ending his career in red and white team in the away match against Wales (1973). He was a great defender, playing "a thoroughly modern," ie, that it clung to his position, but moving the entire length of the pitch, often including the action offensive team. Fast, strength marathoner. All these demonstrated advantages, among others. the South American tour, when the famous Maracana in Rio de Janeiro had the attackers rivals such as Pele, Garrincha and Tostao. He confirmed it during the Olympic tournament.

Unfortunately, all too frequent injuries (four metatarsal fractures between the Olympics and World Championships in Munich in the FRG and the two operations meniscus in Oslo) made it did not comment further, the expected success. After retiring Competitive (1979) was a coach in his hometown Lubliniec, and after another illness (this time the pain in the hip, surgery and artificial hip), not being already pełnosprawnym, tried his luck in other professions (business, taxi, shop) until eventually had to retire. Awarded the Distinguished Master of Sports, among others. Gold and Silver Medal for Distinguished Achievement and Athletic Gold Cross of Merit (1972). Player of the year 1966. Together with W. Lubańskim occurred in the FIFA All Star Team (1971), who played for Łużnikach to celebrate the parting of the Soviet football goalkeeper Lev Yashin.

 

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Love the Figueroa tactic, Hughes is perfect for the job. Btw who is Victor Munoz?
I couldn't dig that much for him but here is a description from PES stats which is pretty similar to the other descriptions I've found. He will fit perfectly in a box-to-box role. There's a 10 minute highlights video of an El Classico from the 80s I've found but it doesn't show that much.

Victor Munoz

An all-around midfielder, he was best known for his great physical strength that helped him tire his opponents in the early stages of the match.

After starting off with hometown's Real Zaragoza, and being relegated in his first professional season, Muñoz was snapped by top flight powerhouse FC Barcelona, being a very important element for the Catalonians during his seven-year stay.

He was also one of the first Spaniards to ever play in Serie A, with two seasons with U.C. Sampdoria. After a quick return to Zaragoza, Víctor (also known by his first name during his playing days) finished his career at 34, teaming up with former Barça teammate Steve Archibald at St. Mirren F.C..

International career

Víctor was a regular player for Spain during the vast majority of the 80's, receiving his first opportunity on March 25, 1981, in a 2-1 friendly win with England, and going on to gain a further 59 caps, with three goals.

He played for the nation at the 1986 FIFA World Cup, and at Euro 1984 (in a final runner-up position, to hosts France) and 1988, retiring from international duty immediately after that group stage exit.
 

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@Skizzo Thanks for the info on Anczok. I still think however he's going to have trouble

I don't intend to portray your front 4 as one-dimensional, far from it. My main issue was that it wouldn't get the best out them especially in regards the number of goals they could score. This is especially the case relative to my front three who have a perfect platform on which to perform. Now of course when I attack there of course will be space on the counter and you could create some opportunities that way however I still maintain that my attacking instructions are no more attacking, in regards average position in attack than the current Real side- not e also that Barnes having less defensive responsibility than at Liverpool does not mean he will just stand on the halfway line and not defend. The main issue with your attack will come when I have into the 433 shape. A lack of genuine width makes it difficult to breakdown such a defense. Narrow attacks such as Brazil in 1970 had Carlos Alberto and Spain in 2012 had Jordi Alba- you do not have such an attacking threat at full-back.

In regards Quini at Sporting Gijon but surely it's his Barca scoring record which will weigh more heavily on voters so the goals per game comparison with respect to La Liga is very important.
 

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In regards Quini at Sporting Gijon but surely it's his Barca scoring record which will weigh more heavily on voters so the goals per game comparison with respect to La Liga is very important.
Why would his time at Sporting Gijon be looked over? His goals were crucial to that team, and on his way to the Pichichi trophy outscored players like Cruyff, Kempes, etc. He also blasted Sporting Gijon to 2nd and 3rd place finishes before his move to Barcelona.
 

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Why would his time at Sporting Gijon be looked over? His goals were crucial to that team, and on his way to the Pichichi trophy outscored players like Cruyff, Kempes, etc. He also blasted Sporting Gijon to 2nd and 3rd place finishes before his move to Barcelona.
For some reason I read Sporting and assumed they must be a Portuguese side. :lol::houllier:

Of course his Gijon scoring should be taken into account however the goals per game in the mid/late 70s was still around 2.7. One season it was down to 2.5 but mainly at 2.7. Still much higher than the 2.1 of Serie A

And Anczok is (although hard to decipher from my poorly translated work :lol: )an attacking full back who would be able to offer outlets in attack.
Ah ok that makes more sense but an arrow would make it a bit more obvious. Even with a single attacking full-back I still think such systems without two attacking fullbacks/wing backs or a genuine winger and a single attacking full-back don't often use the space laterally as well as they could which is a problem against a great, organised defence. That said it depends to some extent on who will seize most of the possession - tbf I see that being pretty even. I reckon the game will have goals, I'll just score more :)