Lazy comparison. Completely different players
Tariq Lamptey
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Livramento isn't on loan, he was sold because his contract was running down. We have a buy-back option, though.
He isn’t on loan. He wouldn’t sign a contract extension so we sold him rather than let him leave on a free. Also supposedly includes a buyback clause.
He's not on loan.
Seems unlikely that he would be willing to return with James performing at an extremely high level though.
He left because he knew he wasn't getting past James. He's absolutely not coming back unless James gets moved to another position.
This guy had our left wing on toast. Intelligent runs, tricky and fast as feck. Had a brilliant first half.
Average positions today. 2 is Lamptey. Playing as a wide forward, not a wing back.
Yeah that’s a bizarre comparison. Sessegnon was more renowned for coming onto the end of crosses at the back post. He was never really noted for carrying the ball forward.
Lamptey is almost like a bite sized Adama. His end product is showing far more promise though. Both would make fantastic wing backs. Conte would love.
Yes - but potentially James could be moved to RCB as Azpi gets phased out, with Livramento coming in at RWB. I believe that our buyback clause only becomes active in the summer of 2023, so that timeline might make some sense.
Would you really play James as a RCB when he is performing like this at RWB? Don't really see the need to change anything in this regard other than trying to force Livramento in the team. You should just sign a new CB.
Against weaker teams he'd be a good option there - and it's worth remembering that that's where he played primarily in our academy.
He's such a good striker of the ball that it might not necessarily be a bad idea to get him into more central positions - although of late Tuchel has given our wingbacks much more freedom in that regard.
Anyway apologies for derailing the thread; I think you're right to say that it wouldn't necessarily be a priority for us, but as a way of potentially providing top-tier cover whilst adding an extra dimension to the team going forward it seems reasonable to consider (especially given the low price). This is probably why we were so keen on Hakimi this past summer all things considered.
I’d rather give Laird a chance but if we prefer to sign someone it’s Livramento from Southampton. Go in for him at the end of the season whilst James is killing it at RWB for Chelsea, in that case they’re less likely to activate his buy back.
According to someone above the clause isn't active next summer anyway.
According to The Athletic, it's active from 2023 and would cost Chelsea a total of £38m - we also get a percentage of any fee Southampton receive:
https://theathletic.com/2856551/2021/09/29/have-chelsea-become-southamptons-ideal-feeder-club/
Livramento is eligible to play for Scotland. It’s a choice he may actually make too with the right backs England and Portugal have.
Our right backs have been fantastic. Azpi, James and the two recently sold, Livramento and Lamptey. It’s a shame we have them all at the same time though.
Our right backs have been fantastic. Azpi, James and the two recently sold, Livramento and Lamptey. It’s a shame we have them all at the same time though.
If he's going to quit England, I reckon Portugal is a better bet than Scotland.
From an old interview....
"Do you remember your first football kit?
I have always been a Chelsea boy and have my uncle to thank for that as he wove it into our brains that there was no better team – from that moment on I only wore Chelsea kits. The royal blue colour was perfect and I was in love with it at first sight.
Later I wore Portugal and Real Madrid kits as I wanted to replicate my idol as well as my dad wanting me to support the country his side of my family comes from. I love the Portuguese kit and still have my first one with Luis Figo on the back.
As well as Portugal I loved the England kit. The 3 lions on the shirt carries so much passion and is a real statement in football. For me to have worn an England shirt as a young boy it’s been a dream come true to wear it as an England youth player."
There may be some but I can't find any quote about him wanting to emulate Alan Hutton.
From a very recent article.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....scotland-could-land-another-full-25173663.amp
Trying to get your son to switch from England to Scotland? I might call childline on his behalf.
Worst mothering I'vee seen since Livia Soprano.
She probably knows he has no chance behind James, Trent, Walker, Trippier etc etc.
Portugal have Cancelo, Pereira and Semedo.
Scotland have Nathan Patterson who doesn’t even get a game for his club.
When GP becomes our full time manager, he will take him with him.
He's already better than Semedo and Pereira for whatever reason doesn't get a look in - Dalot has been in the squad recently and I've have Livramento over him as well.
But maybe he fancies his chances of forcing himself into the picture?
Two years ago people were saying Trent and Wan Bissaka were going to deny James any chance of an international career and look how that panned out.
Trent and Reece James will have that position covered for years. It’s a shame for promising young right backs.
Walker and Trippier are 31 so you have a chance to become the 3rd choice soon enough I suppose. But Lamptey and Livramento will both be fighting for that place. Wan Bissaka is nowhere near Trent and Reece James.
Think Trippier is pretty much done with England. I think it will be between Lamptey and Livramento to take up the third spot in the coming years with one of them declaring for Ghana or Scotland/Portugal. Portugal is still a strong option for Livramento. Cancelo can play in both full back positions. Pereira is a bit overrated had one really good season but hasn't been involved with Portugal that much in his career and Semedo isn't that good either. Both are 10 years older than him too so there's a much clearer pathway for the future than there is with England.
Portugal also have Nuno Mendes isn't it, who is also very talented player.
hopefully Laird will in these discussions in the near future.
Raphaël Guerreiro also available for Portugal, although Dortmund have had their defensive issues he is still a player under right coach.
I haven‘t been that impressed with Mendes in the little I‘ve seen of him for PSG. Obviously it’s a small sample and he’s only 19.
There’s Max Aarons for England too. He tends to start over Lamptey and Livramento for England u21 although I think that’s because he’s very experienced for his age in senior football unlike a lot of other players. Jamaica tried to poach him but he says he focused on playing for England. Seems like an uphill task for him but you never know.
Scotland have decent full backs options, however mostly on the left with Robertson and Tierney.
Portugal and England have loads on either side. Reece v Trent will be a battle for many years unless one is moved to another position.
Portugal and England have loads on either side. Reece v Trent will be a battle for many years unless one is moved to another position.
Scotland would actually have the makings of a decent team with Livramento on the right. A proper striker and they'd be starting to have an interesting team.
I'm hoping Laird makes it.
If Tino can get to the level of those two (which he is more than capable off) it will at the very least be a battle based on form.
Furthermore, with the 3atb system it allows to fit more of these RB's in.
For what it's worth, I always thought Laird was better than Lamptey at youth level.
That’s what a reasonable person would assume but you know Gareth gets a hard on for RBs. He would rather stick Trippier at LB than Chilwell.
I agree too. Laird is so smooth in the ball, I enjoy watching him play.
Lazy comment right here. Laird has played 18 of 20 league games for Swansea this season, completing 90 minutes in all but 3 games, one when he came on as a substitute a few days after moving to Swansea on loan.
He also played in 24 games for MK Dons the season before too after moving there on loan in January 2020.
How much more of a prolonged period does he have to show that he can stay fit?
That post was about Lamptey, mate
Lot of talk about right backs in a thread about a guy who is playing right wing in a 4-2-3-1.
To be fair he does play right back regularly - before his injury he was almost exclusively RB or RWB but the emergence of Veltman as a RCB or RB has freed Pitter up to move him forward, but this is the exception not the rule.