He's getting rid of the sub par players! Problems he inherited a squad full of sub par players and no club can replace everyone over night - this will take a few years. No manager will suddenly turn this squad into contenders
The “Ole In” Brigade
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Think about these two things and apply them to Ole. It's actually weird that you accept these things for Atkinson but not for Ole who has been managing for 10 years and has shown nothing to be optimistic about.
So you would have kept Moyes on despite proving himself inadequate in every sense of the word? No offense intended mate, but that's just silly talk. A football manager is only as good as his ability will allow him to be and no amount of time will alter that fact. He may have improved in certain areas, but never to the point of being a manager worthy of our club.
Ole, I'm afraid, is of a similar standard to Moyes. It's only a matter of time before he gets the chop as he simply isn't good enough. We all know it deep down.
Isn't Ole now statistically worse than Moyes ?
Are you being serious or just trolling?
They were fecking 2nd 2 years ago. Dont try to make them look like a Sunday league football team.
That's so wrong that it's barely believable.The first thing that a good manager is supposed to do is make the most of what he has, most clubs do not have a significant amount of money to spend and they don't have 5 years either because by that time the best players are out of contract and probably leave you to be coached by a better manager in a better team, big clubs also gain a substantial amount of their wealth through prize money, so they can't actually let someone underperform while spending big. Furthermore the managers employed by top clubs are supposed to be at the top of their profession, they command big wages and are expected to perform at the highest level from day one and are judged from day one.
5th isn't an achievement. This is embarrassing, that we currently think 5th should be enough to protect manager from criticism.
I like your post usually mate, but for me, what Ole was able to do with a s*** Molde team, especially in European games, while changing the style twice and losing key players in between, is far more impressive than a cheque book manager. We play the way we play because we can’t play expansive football as of now. Things will take time, injuries need to be controlled, but we have tried different things, including, when it was obvious our injuries wouldn’t allow to play creative through the middle, using full backs just like Liverpool does currently and use the midfield in a functional way only.
The adaptability is for me a sign of a good manager. Being able to use a s*** team and still play well in Europe? That’s talent.
Why can’t we see more of that right now, I think that’s because we decided to get rid of some players who don’t want to be in the club or were asking too much pay wise. And we are struggling. But it’s a time we use to teach the players how to play for each other’s.
We do have attacking moments though. Only when we have enough of them, the team will develop a mentality to win. And I think Ole has a superb mental strength. He has played that game.
Shaw just said that players know they have underperformed but are impressed Ole is taking it on him instead of blaming the players openly. These guys can do better, and now know Ole got their back. Even if that means he’s getting all the abuse. He shares his opinion and says what didn’t work but doesn’t share the dirty laundry outside.
You cannot say that’s not going to create something mentality wise. The team will get through this. When they do, they will fight for Ole even more. That unity for me is a sign of leadership. Only weak leaders throw their minions under the bus. But that’s not how you motivate high performers.
Oh they’ll defend him, don’t worry about that.
He could spend £500 million and relegate us and some on here would still defend him to the hilt.
Delusion of the highest order.
None of what you wrote is relevant to my post which is probably the biggest issue that I have with people who are self proclaimed "Ole in". You went on series of tangents and used a few straw man arguments and that's about it.
The short post that you quoted is fairly simple so let me ask you this, in his career as Ole demonstrated that he was better than Rudi Garcia or David Moyes? Yes or No, I don't want any other word.
Love how 5th is now the achievement that is a success for manager of man utd. Forget players and squad bla bla. He dumped players and weren't replaced. His head is on the block due to that, Ed is untouchable unfortunately . All the years of laughing at arsene and arsenal with their 4th places. We are currently worse and a bigger laughing stock.
Garcia, maybe not, but Moyes, yes.
I don’t think anything Luke Shaw has said reflects well on Ole or suggests a winning mentality is being established.
I would imagine quite considerably, yes.
I read that Ole has only won 11 PL matches since he took charge. That’s like a 30% win rate, which is relegation form.
Id still say Moyes did a (slightly) worse job though given that he took over the Champions of England and left them in 6th place. He had De Gea, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Nani, Rooney, Van Persie.
Solskjaer doesn’t have close to those luxuries. But should still be doing so much better.
You prefer that players see the boss will do anything to deflect responsibility?
They’re not saying he doesn’t show authority, they are saying he doesn’t share outside the dressing room.
Man up man. We’ve finished lower than fifth with ‘better managers’ and better squads.
Why is it that people can’t see about our current position and the fact that it’s the culmination of 6 years of awful mismanagement and recruitment.
We were never going to be setting the league alight this season.
I love how Ole, or any manager at this club (but particularly Ole this time around) is the be all and end all of how we are in the current mess.
It’s like a group of guys smashing shite of a car and then blaming the mechanic who’s trying to fix it for you with one hand tied behind his back.
Read what you just wrote one more time. You are genuinely stating that what Garcia did with Le Mans, Lille or Roma is inferior to what Ole has done during his career. Do you actually realize that for some reason, your bias in favor of Ole made you lose sense.
And this come down to the point of my post. There isn't a chance that I trust or feel optimistic about a manager that currently has a bad record with United and has been unequivocally worse than the likes of Garcia and Moyes during his career. You want to give him more time and maybe develop skills that he never demonstrated fair enough maybe he will do that but let's not pretend that its remotely rational.
Well, Wenger had his time to put his mark on the team. Wenger couldn't complain after 15 years about him not getting his players.
I'm in the same boat as I've been all season. We need CL, and if Ole can't get that for us, he's got to go. If we get CL, I'm most likely in the Ole-in boat for another season as long as the players still stand behind him, but we'll have to see some improvement in our play style in the final 3rd of this season.
So far the only player (or agent of a player) that has come out criticising Ole is Chong's agent, and I haven't seen anything from Chong to suggest Ole has given him too little playtime. Chong had two bad games against Astana. He played in the cup against Wolves and made me miss Pereira, a player I don't believe any other team in the PL would have as a regular starter.
They definitely chose the wrong mechanic as his job has been so shite that the car state is getting worse every day he puts his tools into it.Man up man. We’ve finished lower than fifth with ‘better managers’ and better squads.
Why is it that people can’t see about our current position and the fact that it’s the culmination of 6 years of awful mismanagement and recruitment.
We were never going to be setting the league alight this season.
I love how Ole, or any manager at this club (but particularly Ole this time around) is the be all and end all of how we are in the current mess.
It’s like a group of guys smashing shite of a car and then blaming the mechanic who’s trying to fix it for you with one hand tied behind his back.
I said Garcia could be above Ole, hence maybe not. You said yes or no only, so that’s in line with what you asked.
I like Rudy Garcia. He has a way of playing that’s focused a lot on the triangles and it’s cool. But for me, he’s a bit like Bielsa.
Smart manager, but you don’t know how this will end up.
Ole, I’m telling you has shown skills with lower teams, which is why I want to see it through. So we differ on if he demonstrated anything or not. I think he did. That’s all.
How many times have you seen Molde or watched the Norwegian league. And surely Moyes has shown more as a PL manager than Ole has ever done?
And I'm sorry but Ole has shown nothing that would make you think that he is potentially an elite manager which is the context of the debate. We are not arguing about whether he has or doesn't have skills as a manager, every manager from the top of the PL to League Two will show something from time to time.
Edit: Also it's worth mentioning that I said "nothing to be optimistic" not nothing, you have misrepresented my words on a couple of occasions in the last posts.
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He didn't show many skills with Cardiff.
Why would I be trolling when it's literally the PL table?
I think people are overestimating what THIS Man Utd side can achieve and mixing it with what their thoughts of where a MAN UTD SIDE should be in the league.
But at the same time, putting a side the dire state of the squad and placing an unrealistic expectation on what the current side can achieve.
People complain about how bad we've been all season, b*tch and moan about how crap most of the squad is, but at the same time wishing for the return of yester-year and complaing until their blue in the fact at how our league position should be higher because we're man utd.
Entitlement.
You cannot have both. You literally cannot complain about how crap the squad is, rip players to shreds on match days and then at the same time complain how low in the league we are.
Our league position reflects how good we currently are.
That currently is 9th.
BUT.
As i stated earlier the difference between 4th - 11th is 7 points.
You need to understand that THE CURRENT SQUAD IS SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Go back 12-18months and if someone told you that going into mid February, we'd be playing Chelsea and if we win, we'd be 3points of 4th with plenty of games to go. You'd have bit their hand off.
If anything Ole's been incredibly unlucky, change the Villa, Sheffield games to a win instead of dissapointing draws, score those penalties that we missed at the start of the season and we'd be higher up in the league.
As a result, this place wouldn't be so split. We'd comfortably be 3rd.
Just want to re-iterate one thing:
You simply cannot complain and bitch and moan about how crap the majority of the players are ridicule them on match days, wish they were out the club, complain about how poor you think we are and then wish we were higher up in the league because we're manchester united and the name simply carries more weight and we should be challenging for the title because of it. get over it. we're crap now. we're not as good as we used to be. once you realise that and take the patience that it needs, you'll soon understand that things take time.
You're the one who's massively dropping the standards to make Ole doing a decent job. 5th is a shite position to be in whatever way we look into it, and the current squad is far more than capable of finishing higher than it considering that our opponents on finishing top 4 are Leicester and Chelsea who had several problems before the season started.
The squad is poor but we're not asking to challenge Liverpool and City for the league ffs. All we're asking is a solid top 4 ahead of teams who aren't that stronger than us and play regularly good football. The fact that Chelsea have been losing points left, right and center for more than 2 months and we're still 6 points behind than them is simply unacceptable. We're competing with a mediocre team on 4th spot and we can't even cut the gab with them.
Regarding that unlucky part, that's a job right ? You know each team in the league can say exactly the same sentence about each negative result they got ?
If the squad is that crap after 150m spent in full summer + the last 50m spent in Jan, it's Ole's responsibility, as simple as that. The squad he got showed during his initial 3 months that they were more than capable of putting pretty good performance and finishing at least 4th, now full summer and an entire year with Ole getting full freedom in selling and buying whoever we want and now everyone says the squad is crap and 5th is acceptable position than us, which responsibility is that exactly ?
Even though that is admittedly incredibly hilarious and for a while I was concerned that I might actually physically injure myself from laughing so much. It's actually nothing like that at all.It’s like a group of guys smashing shite of a car and then blaming the mechanic who’s trying to fix it for you with one hand tied behind his back.
In your example, the 'group of guys' would be the fans and the smashed 'shite of a car' (whatever that means) I'm assuming is the Man Utd team. Well the fans certainly didn't damage the team as they obviously had no control over it. Secondly, your smashed 'shite of a car' is the team that finished second in the league just the season before. The only part of your analogy that's somewhat correct I think is the 'mechanic with one hand tied behind his back' who is Ole. Except the analogy would be more accurate if he had both hands available, but he had never trained as a mechanic or acquired the experience to deal with this kind of car, has been trying to fix it for over a year and now it's well and truly fecked.
Hes the type who lie on their CV and then a bit later the employer decides to do a surprise verification check.
5 Years
Don’t you think after 7 years of interviews and sweet talks nobody actually gives a feck what overpaid shits like our underachieving players are saying?
  Shite car and one of the richest clubs in the world and went to a second rate mechanic
Sure, and how are we going to replace 25 players or so? Money? It's not unlimited for us. Academy? What?
Conclusion: we have to play with those guys, and try to improve them. It's what we do.
I’m glad you laughed
However you have misunderstood, why would I blame the fans for the state of the squad?
The ‘guys smashing shite out of a car’ we’re clearly the last three managers.
Leaving us with a completely unbalanced, miserable, dejected shell of a team.
Its like fans here have selective memory.
I feel sorry for the mechanic lads.
But we’re not 5th, because every time there was a chance to move up the table the team didn’t even turn up.
And that’s the point. We are United we can’t have be pleased with 4th or 5th. The squad ole has had is not a strong band as the points tally. Fact is we have a much better squad and more money than then 8-9 teams round us but we’re playing worst than them, which is why we are where they are.
When was 3rd or 4th ever good enough from 1990onwards? Why is there a defence for ole the manager? No one should be defending this with anything. We have a squad much better than this,points tally. Ole isn’t gonna be the one..... let’s move on
When was 3rd or 4th ever good enough from 1990onwards? Why is there a defence for ole the manager? No one should be defending this with anything. We have a squad much better than this,points tally. Ole isn’t gonna be the one..... let’s move on
I don't mind Ole having an In brigade.
It's when the Ole In brigade is placing Ole above Manchester United, that it really becomes scary.
I feel like there's this immense will for us to be some special club, because of our history (i.e. Munich, Ferguson). That Liverpool and other clubs had their moment of glory as blind luck whereas MUFC is destiny manifest. That our youngsters will always come good. That a legend departs and another comes -- and of course it has to Ole, the chosen one.
This arrogance from our fanbase, which we somehow think is a good quality in players because the great Cantona had it, is funny. Nevermind the fact that these are world class players and most of these fans are just everyday plebians. It's Eric that was arrogant because he was that good. Not you. You're just sitting watching the telly or waving from the stands.
It's when the Ole In brigade is placing Ole above Manchester United, that it really becomes scary.
I feel like there's this immense will for us to be some special club, because of our history (i.e. Munich, Ferguson). That Liverpool and other clubs had their moment of glory as blind luck whereas MUFC is destiny manifest. That our youngsters will always come good. That a legend departs and another comes -- and of course it has to Ole, the chosen one.
This arrogance from our fanbase, which we somehow think is a good quality in players because the great Cantona had it, is funny. Nevermind the fact that these are world class players and most of these fans are just everyday plebians. It's Eric that was arrogant because he was that good. Not you. You're just sitting watching the telly or waving from the stands.
Let me buy this man a pint!
The Ole Out propaganda is in full flow.
Glad to see some have the character to form their own opinion and not simply just parrot the negative rhetoric.
So, Sheffield United have a better squad then?
Everton have a better squad then?
He'd still be failing even if we were 5th. So of course we'd be using it as a "stick to hit him with" because results and peformances on the football pitch are actually the things that matter as opposed to the emotional nonesense people make up to convince themselves that he's capable of managing us when the facts clearly say otherwise.
The league is tight this year? Sure. But this is relevant mostly because we're in a pile of wank football teams due to under performing and being poorly managed and as a consequence lumped with the Evertons and Watford's of this world.
Yeah, the league table is such propaganda! Why give points on the basis of what you do on the pitch when Ole can be given more than others for just being Ole?
love it!
My favourite bit of this one ‘if we’d won the matches that we drew or lost we’d be higher up in the league table’. Revelatory,. A real penny drop moment!