Maroon Lucifer
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40% chance of rain during the race
Bah I had to fight to wake up when my alarm went off then!
All in time though, come on Hamilton, you can do it lad
McLaren were also celebrating and taking the piss when a Ferrari mechanic got knocked down, real classy thatI don't like to see it but the way Ferrari acted when Massa punted Hamilton around I would love to see retribution
I was tooMcLaren were also celebrating and taking the piss when a Ferrari mechanic got knocked down, real classy that
Bit different to a clear racing punt no?McLaren were also celebrating and taking the piss when a Ferrari mechanic got knocked down, real classy that
He's fecking shite. I've said it from the start and I'll keep saying it until McLaren kick him out on his shite arse. Although in this circumstance you've got to realise that part of the reason he was nowhere was because the car was so poor compared to the Ferrari and Renault. He was probably doing slightly worse than he should have been, but if the machine isn't there you can't do much more. That Hamilton took the same car and won is more a testament to his own racing genius than it is a criticism of Kovaleinen's race.I know he had tyre trouble, but Kovaleinen was nowhere even before that. It's a shame Hamilton can't rely on the same kind of support that Kimi can give to Massa right now. If he was any kind of a threat to win the race, which he should be given the car he's driving, Hamilton could come 7th and become the youngest ever F1 World Champion
You must have been delighted last year then, when Massa gave Raikkonen the lead right at the end of Brazil so the Finn could win the Driver's Championship!You can't knock Ferrari, it's fair enough at this stage. But it'd be nice to see the guy not relying on handouts win it. But then I'm bias
Well the McLaren was the superior car for a decent chunk of the season. It's only in the past few races that the Ferrari has come on so strongly, but that hasn't bothered Hamilton. He's continued to outshine Massa anyway.Hehe, what happened to all your talk of the McClaren being the dominant car all season eh Count?!
That lasted about 2 races!
Crazy thing is that his contract was running out at the end of this year until they extended it to 2009 a few weeks ago, when he'd had nearly a whole season to prove his worth and had utterly failed to do so. So Christ knows why they've extended the deal. Clearly they want someone entirely non-offensive to be paired with Hamilton so as to avoid a repeat of the unsavoury 2007 season.It was embarrasing but what else could they do?
Kovailainen is lucky he has a contract for 2009, utter shite this season, Hamilton is nearly 2 times better off in terms of points and that can't happen for a front 2 car.
Yes, but celebrating a fellow mechanic getting injured is not worth criticism whereas celebrating a rival being spun around is?Bit different to a clear racing punt no?
Alonso wants to be the number 1 driver, so him at Ferrari wont work as long as Kimi is still there. It would be nice to see if Renault can get a good car for next year so we have 3/4 different constructors going for the title.Yes, but celebrating a fellow mechanic getting injured is not worth criticism whereas celebrating a rival being spun around is?
On a sidenote if Alonso doesn't mind an equal standing with Kimi at Ferrari I would love to see him go to Ferrari. Two real racers at a team, maybe it will give Kimi a much needed kick in the arse as well. You will need someone strong as hell to manage those two though but it will be sure be entertaining as hell
And no official review and penalty for imposing team orders and effecting the result of a race. It seems Ferrari operate outside the F1 laws.Kimi and Massa both looked embarrassed when asked on Massa's move on Kimi.
Oh do feck off.And no official review and penalty for imposing team orders and effecting the result of a race. It seems Ferrari operate outside the F1 laws.
when haven't theyAnd no official review and penalty for imposing team orders and effecting the result of a race. It seems Ferrari operate outside the F1 laws.
The rule is there, and it should he adhered to or removed IMO. It was very clear Raikonnen was faster than Massa, and the "overtaking" maneuver was embarrassing.Oh do feck off.
There was no interference, no "team orders". Raikonnen just simply knows where his bread is buttered and so moved over. He wasn't expressly told to, he just thought he probably should, much like Massa did for Raikonnen at the end of the last season.
And I'll point out that on at least three seperate ocassions this season Kovaleinen has moved out of the way of Hamilton when they're on different pit strategies. Ferrari and Massa have had enough dubious calls and lucky breaks this season for you to focus on without making ones up.
It is a pretty clear and unambiguous rule:You lot have picked one of the most confusing rules to argue about.
I would love to see the wording of that particular rule as I've never understood it.
I don't see there being any issue on the team orders, Raikkonen hardly had a choice after Massa let him past last season did he?
I found it funny though that Raikkonen was slowing and Massa still couldn't catch him until he drastically dropped the pace, and then Massa couldnt pull away when Kimi was just cruising.
That rule expressly disallows teams from ordering their drivers to pull over. It does not say it will punish teams if one of their drivers decides to slow down and let his team-mate overtake -- that's the driver's decision.It is a pretty clear and unambiguous rule:
39.1 Team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited.
http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/f1regs.html click on 2008 Sporting Regulations - published on: 19.05.2008
The maneuver was so blatantly enforcement of team orders that some sort of inquiry should have been triggered. If they wanted Massa to come second then they should have brought Raikonnen into the pits for some bogus reason. Of course they didn't want to do that because he would have slipped down the field and they would have lost some constructors points.
Cheating is cheating, however you want to spin it.
Not really embarrasing. They both Raikkonen was actually faster in qualifying, and they seldom have anything more than 1-2 tenths of a second in between them anyway. With a 5 second gap in between, it would have taken 20 to 30 laps to overturn that.I don't see there being any issue on the team orders, Raikkonen hardly had a choice after Massa let him past last season did he?
I found it funny though that Raikkonen was slowing and Massa still couldn't catch him until he drastically dropped the pace, and then Massa couldnt pull away when Kimi was just cruising.
Please.Well the McLaren was the superior car for a decent chunk of the season. It's only in the past few races that the Ferrari has come on so strongly, but that hasn't bothered Hamilton. He's continued to outshine Massa anyway.