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Sword?She clearly has her own motives and I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't have a new job as a spy for another agency.
Sword?She clearly has her own motives and I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't have a new job as a spy for another agency.
6 months after Endgame, so it’s before the events in Spider-Man (8 months after Endgame) but after the events in WandaVision (which was 2/3 weeks after Endgame).Question, where does this sit in the timeline? Obviously post endgame, but pre Spiderman? Concurrent with wandavision?
Yeah, but Emily is pretty hot. So that's make it an even for meEmily VanCamp and Anthony Mackie are both pretty terrible actors so that somewhat offsets it unfortunately.
Yeah, feel pretty much the same. Zemo somehow seems less of a real character despite all the new stuff we know about him. Almost a retcon.I honestly love all things Marvel and lap everything up, including the first two episodes of this but honestly I didn’t like this one!
for me, they basically destroyed all the good work they did with Zemo in Civil war and now, instead of being a completely cerebral villain with a good backstory, they’ve suddenly made him a Baron (like the comics) and he can kick ass, all the while in his villain coat and mask.......
I also didn’t like the intro of Sharon, which seemed forced in, and her motives and actions also seem quite out of character so far.
I don’t like how every Joe with a test tube seems to be able to make a super soldier in this universe - it kind of diminishes what’s special about Captain America every time there’s a new one.
to me this was the weakest of the lot and the first that felt a bit like an Agents of Shield TV show rather than an extension of the movies.
Didnt they kinda make the point that what you said isnt true. I mean hes the first one to make the serum since the original, and everybody else has failed. And he only did it due to the resources and backing provided by CIA and a lot of bad bad testing.I don’t like how every Joe with a test tube seems to be able to make a super soldier in this universe - it kind of diminishes what’s special about Captain America every time there’s a new one.
We’ve also had General Ross with the serum for Abomination in Hulk and of course we’ve had the winter soldier program.Didnt they kinda make the point that what you said isnt true. I mean hes the first one to make the serum since the original, and everybody else has failed. And he only did it due to the resources and backing provided by CIA and a lot of bad bad testing.
Agreed on Sharon, not sure what she really added aside from showing the consequences of stealing the shield the 1st time. Disagree on Zemo, while he was cerebral, that's because he was up against the avengers, he could obviously kick ass given his capture of the hydra agent in civil war. Love what they are doing with him here, just hope Buckys plan isn't to hand him to Ayo when they get the remaining serum and that's the last we see of him.I honestly love all things Marvel and lap everything up, including the first two episodes of this but honestly I didn’t like this one!
for me, they basically destroyed all the good work they did with Zemo in Civil war and now, instead of being a completely cerebral villain with a good backstory, they’ve suddenly made him a Baron (like the comics) and he can kick ass, all the while in his villain coat and mask.......
I also didn’t like the intro of Sharon, which seemed forced in, and her motives and actions also seem quite out of character so far.
I don’t like how every Joe with a test tube seems to be able to make a super soldier in this universe - it kind of diminishes what’s special about Captain America every time there’s a new one.
to me this was the weakest of the lot and the first that felt a bit like an Agents of Shield TV show rather than an extension of the movies.
Yeah hopefully they have some bigger plans for him. I liked that in Civil War he was a different type of villain - always two steps ahead and capable of doing some really despicable things. A lot of other Villains always plan to take over the world etc but he wanted to turn the avengers against each other and had a really compelling story that made you believe those motivations.Agreed on Sharon, not sure what she really added aside from showing the consequences of stealing the shield the 1st time. Disagree on Zemo, while he was cerebral, that's because he was up against the avengers, he could obviously kick ass given his capture of the hydra agent in civil war. Love what they are doing with him here, just hope Buckys plan isn't to hand him to Ayo when they get the remaining serum and that's the last we see of him.
Hes just anti super hero, as soon as they meet a guy who can make more, he pops a cap in him. Like you though, I'm surprised he got out so quick.Yeah hopefully they have some bigger plans for him. I liked that in Civil War he was a different type of villain - always two steps ahead and capable of doing some really despicable things. A lot of other Villains always plan to take over the world etc but he wanted to turn the avengers against each other and had a really compelling story that made you believe those motivations.
Now I just think they’ve presented him as another bad guy with a suit who’s good at fighting. When we first saw him in that prison I thought he was gonna kind of be like a Hannibal Lecter type and Bucky and Sam we’re gonna consult him and he’d talk in riddles, giving them info and then somehow in a later episode he’d escape.
I’m along for the ride though, just thought a lot of this episode made some big leaps with characters that dismissed some of the good groundwork that had already been made
I think the decision to break him out as a montage is one of those can't please everyone type things. At what 25 million an episode could they have done a whole episode on the planning and escape of course. But I didnt mind it though getting right into the Zemo, Sam, Bucky dynamic which worked extremely well.Hes just anti super hero, as soon as they meet a guy who can make more, he pops a cap in him. Like you though, I'm surprised he got out so quick.
I think montage was a great decision as we wanted to see more of him with the two heroes rather than him executing the stuff in real timeI think the decision to break him out as a montage is one of those can't please everyone type things. At what 25 million an episode could they have done a whole episode on the planning and escape of course. But I didnt mind it though getting right into the Zemo, Sam, Bucky dynamic which worked extremely well.
I'll have to check to remind myself but ho doe those serums come about.We’ve also had General Ross with the serum for Abomination in Hulk and of course we’ve had the winter soldier program.
Just seems a bit cheap that whenever they want someone to have super powers, someone else is suddenly developing this Serum. So far in this series we’ve got another 4-5 of them plus Isaiah Bradley.
Yes, would love to see him get a sword out. Easily to justify too, fencing lessons as a young baron.I think the decision to break him out as a montage is one of those can't please everyone type things. At what 25 million an episode could they have done a whole episode on the planning and escape of course. But I didnt mind it though getting right into the Zemo, Sam, Bucky dynamic which worked extremely well.
I don't think it takes away from Civil War Zemo at all fleshing him out here and making him more like comic Zemo. He still wants the same things, he still accomplished everything he did in Civil War breaking up the Avengers. And we see they are all still even now dealing with those ramifications. All they did was give us more. We know hes a Baron like hes supposed to be. He has underworld connections, and safehouses. He is also trained himself and no slouch in combat. Hell I hope they give him a sword fight too in the final battle.
Iron man isn't made of ironWhy exactly is he called Winter Soldier then? It's not like he only fights when it's snowing.
You're missing Sam aren't you?Official Marvel youtube account released a 1 hour version of that.
Finally something happened that makes this more interesting. Something about this show still feels off for me though, can't quite put into words what exactly. Maybe it is that it is trying to be a buddy comedy at times and on the other hand provide some serious social commentary. Either way, it feels uneven.
Because he’s cold blooded?Why exactly is he called Winter Soldier then? It's not like he only fights when it's snowing.
I think this is sort of the point though.I would be interested on how Falcon is going to go forward without the super soldier serum. It'll be ridiculous he become the new Captain America without the serum
that's interesting take.I think this is sort of the point though.Walker can’t cope with the pressure of being an ordinary man, living up to an idea of Captain America the super solider, hence the power corrupt angle. From these actions in episode 4 he is now no longer your everyday man to give hope to the normal man. He has cracked under the expectation of what he has to deal with.
Where as the Falcon has acted for years without the shield, without the special abilities and been in the fight. So he is the only one to carry the burden of what that shield represents.
I also enjoyed the fact that when they pointed out Steve was still a good guy to Zemo and wasn't corrupted by the serum, he didn't try and argue that fact, just said fair enough.Fantastic episode!! The different motivations of each of the factions came together really well in this episode.
The action sequences, particularly the end scenes & the Dora Milaje absolutely handing it out to fake Cap & Bucky were cool. But the scenes between Karli and Sam & Zemo explaining to Sam & Bucky how everyone (except Steve) who takes the super-serum is a corrupted supremacist were fascinating. I’ve enjoyed how the series has focused on social/real world issues in between all the action scenes.
The ending was really well executed & the shot of him with the shield covered in blood as he’s finished murdering someone in public - it destroys everything the shield stands for & goes back to Zemo’s point that the serum corrupts its users.
Also, Bucky’s sarcastic humour is hilarious. Him cheering on Walker whilst he’s getting beaten up
Let's go with that.You're missing Sam aren't you?