Edgar Allan Pillow
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Wait your turn. Just alerted people to hurry up. PM me your picks....so we just post picks we dont wait our turn?
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Wait your turn. Just alerted people to hurry up. PM me your picks....so we just post picks we dont wait our turn?
Too many 50s players I thinkHugo Sanchez
Tag me when its my turn again.
Nice. Versatile too.
Would you swap Son for Mane + Cash?
No but id swap filipe luis and mane for krol and sonWould you swap Son for Mane + Cash?
Yeah too hard to keep track of everything.
Aye, I'm done mate.
He’ll be a while. He has to keep refreshing it until @Pat_Mustard and I are matched up.@Edgar Allan Pillow we're ready for the draw.
He was also much more capable in attack than we rate him. There is a certain rigidity in the draft community towards few players.I think Burgnich was way more agile than we rate him here limiting him to a static right back position. I think he would do a more than decent job as a left back or even a destroyer based on that game.
I am sure. Will checkout some of his other big game performances.Regarding Facchetti's reputation — it also depends on the draft history. Facchetti is one of antohan's favourites and he is (well, at least was) one of the most articulate posters on here. Although he definitely had better games than those two finals.
You could say that to some extent Facchetti's wing-play is overrated in terms of his crossing and maintaining width but he was a force to be reckoned with with his forward running and his goal threat cutting inwards. In the Celtic-Inter game that you watched, Facchetti man-marked Lennox, with Burgnich being tasked with handling Johnstone. Ultimately they both did their briefs brilliantly as both the danger-men were essentially nullified and the Inter defense did its job. However, they were tactically out-maneuvered by the Lisbon Lions, with them simply overloading Inter's defense and they just didn't have an answer for that. Obviously the absence of Suarez didn't help them at all either. In fact I've read in some places that Johnstone (and Lennox for that matter) willingly sacrificed themselves by being man-marked and trying to distort Inter's defense as opposed to going for glory themselves.hadn't watched too much of Facchetti from a full match perspective, so watched a couple of games this week as I wanted to watch full matches of a couple other players as well.
Facchetti is seen as an epitome of a super human left back in the draft threads here, who can man a flank by himself even in a 4 man setup.
Who could attack at the highest level (being the only source of width at times in zona mistake kind of setups) while still facing some of the best wingers and keeping them quiet.
The two games I watched were:
1970 WC final (mainly for Gerson and Facchetti) : Facchetti's attacking output was very limited in this game considering he was up against Jairzinho. Hardly saw him run up the pitch.
1967 EC final (mainly for Johnstone and Facchetti) : Jimmy Johnstone was the best Celtic attacker the Italian's had anticipated and Facchetti tried or was instructed to stay away from him. In fact, it was Burgnich who was man marking him throughout the game and did a good job to be honest. I think Burgnich was way more agile than we rate him here limiting him to a static right back position. I think he would do a more than decent job as a left back or even a destroyer based on that game.
I'd say the main issue would be the interpretation of their wing-play when it comes to the likes of C.Alberto and Facchetti. The former wasn't really a Cafu or a wing-back for that matter but one of the greatest playmakers at the FB positions and he was imo flawless defensively. I rank his WC 1970 as up there amongst the very best and I'd go so far as to rate him as a more important player for Brazil than Gerson himself (controversial I know) over the course of the tournament.I'll try to watch a few more big games of Carlos Alberto and Facchetti when I get time. Full backs decide games very often in drafts and the kind of flexibility the GOAT's offer is amazing. Maybe should be reconsidered at times, especially when the likes of Roberto Carlos/Jorginho/Marcelo/Alves etc are often called out for their defensive liabilities while attacking, but the likes of Facchetti/Cafu/Carlos Alberto are treated at the same defensive level as the greatest defensive fullbacks in Bergomi/Thuram/Krol/Burgnich/Maldini
Haha I work weekend graves, so I’m usually awake at all kinds of stupid hours, even on my nights off.
See that's the thing. I have seen Facchetti being a concern among people only when he is up against a 2 vs 1 GOAT Winger plus GOAT attacking full back combo.He's definitely had better offensive games than those 2 games were he was strictly man-marking. But overall I do buy your point in that some FBs tend to be rated as superhuman who can do just about everything.
I'll avoid the negatives till the draft ends just in case he is available for reinforcements mate@idmanager
Feel free to post all your positive findings about Carlos Alberto.
Feel free to keep any negatives to yourself.
Kthanks