I'm told they offer protection but they don't do it anymore and when it comes to building attacks... The less said, the better.I'm really amazed you guys didn't sign a quality CM in the window. You did well in other areas but seems a bit like Fergie's last season when you had average quality in there compared to defence and final third. He was good enough still to win the league, OGS isn't.
I said it before today aswell but no way would I swop Luiz or John McGinn for the two sitters you had today even if they have good games on occasions. We had better today in that area and we'll probably finish 8th.
Short term solution to drop Pogba back into middle two for added creativity but you've seen pros and cons of that over last 5 seasons.
Exactly, it is all about coaching. Pogba and vdb along with one of Fred and Mctominay should offer as much control and protection as the like of kdb, silva, and rodri. Mcfred works when we sit deep and counter mainly against top team, but against smaller teams only one should workWe should just play one of them and either Pogba or Donny.
City just dominated Chelsea with a Mildfield of Silva, KDB and Rodri. Other teams also seem to be able to play with one defensive CM and the rest attacking.
We can’t be playing McFred against AstonVilla when they lined up with 5 defenders. If we can’t play with one CDM and we need Two against EVERY opponent then the problem isn’t the players it’s those who are coaching.
We should just play one of them and either Pogba or Donny.
City just dominated Chelsea with a Mildfield of Silva, KDB and Rodri. Other teams also seem to be able to play with one defensive CM and the rest attacking.
We can’t be playing McFred against AstonVilla when they lined up with 5 defenders. If we can’t play with one CDM and we need Two against EVERY opponent then the problem isn’t the players it’s those who are coaching.
Did Matic/VDB do enough midweek to show why they should be starting, personally I thought so, matic be deep, is big, good on the ball>McotminaySo bad we play them both. They’re both mediocre players and we suffer as a result. We will have to get to January then try and rectify the position. In the meantime I’d play one of them with Pogba and free a space up for Sancho or Rashford
It’s not good that they are both not great, but having two of them at the same time is just ridiculous.So bad we play them both. They’re both mediocre players and we suffer as a result. We will have to get to January then try and rectify the position. In the meantime I’d play one of them with Pogba and free a space up for Sancho or Rashford
I’m amazed this doesn’t get picked up on more, honestly I watch him at times and he’s never in the right place. He doesn’t sense danger at all and players run off him for fun. Rewatch West Ham’s goal last Sunday and watch McT in the build up.I tell you what, Mctominay is not very good at defending. The myth that he's great defensively is because we only can notice when he shows up to defend, that's all he can do. Running headless chicken trying to defend doesn't mean you have great defensive work. Pogba has done more for us defensively against Aston Villa than Mctominay does.
Start one next to Pogba or DVB. Period. The defence with Varane in it doesn't need two of them. The sooner the coaching staff realise something that obvious the betterAs I've had it enough with them because they offer no control nor any protection, I'm asking the caftards for suggestions to replace them.
Start Pogba and accept the risks ? (They cannot be worse than the current ones we see with them). Play DVB more regularly ?
What can be done ?
They’re a very small part of it. The biggest downfall for Ole is his own inability to coach at the highest level.The magnificent duo is gonna be Ole's downfall.
It cannot be worse than what we are seeingStart one next to Pogba or DVB. Period. The defence with Varane in it doesn't need two of them. The sooner the coaching staff realise something that obvious the better
As I've had it enough with them because they offer no control nor any protection, I'm asking the caftards for suggestions to replace them.
Start Pogba and accept the risks ? (They cannot be worse than the current ones we see with them). Play DVB more regularly ?
What can be done ?
There is no top manager in the world that wouldn't have taken one of them off at HT at the latest. Shambolic.
Ole is seemingly not bothered though.
In the same vein — have mediocre coaches, expect mediocre results?Play mediocre players expect mediocre results. Douglas Luiz showed today that hes better than Fred
It's actually crazy that we are resorting to find the least shit options in midfield. I know I just cannot take it anymore with McFredThey were poor today. The problem is they are the only duo we have that works, and it only works when both are playing well, and at the moment neither is.
I would give VDB more of a chance but that will have its own problems. We've already seen what happens if you play Pogba or Matic in there...it just makes things worse.
The solution was to prioritise signing a midfielder in the summer but instead we signed Sancho so he could sit on the bench.
This, spot on.There is no top manager in the world that wouldn't have taken one of them off at HT at the latest. Shambolic.
Ole is seemingly not bothered though.
I looked at this a little while ago:Does anyone have stats of passing between the two of them ? We have big problems progressing the ball up the pitch and that's why it makes Bruno drop back to attempt his crazy passes
It’s a fundamental flaw to this side and crazy how it wasn’t rectified this summer.Sure it’s probably been mentioned in a thread that’s 3 pages deep about stats, but McTominay’s 51 passes per 90 puts him in the 47th percentile for attempted passes!
Having a midfielder who just simply doesn’t get on the ball and pass it around near enough is just not good enough. That’s insane. 47th!
For comparisons sake: Jorginho, Kovacic, Rodri, Henderson, and Gundogan are all comfortably in the 90th percentiles (70+ passes attempted per game). Fabinho 88th, Fred 79th.
i wasnt aware he was supposed to be good defensive, box to box is when he looks his best. Just lazy cliches as he is a big unit., pretty much a West Brom playerI tell you what, Mctominay is not very good at defending. The myth that he's great defensively is because we only can notice when he shows up to defend, that's all he can do. Running headless chicken trying to defend doesn't mean you have great defensive work. Pogba has done more for us defensively against Aston Villa than Mctominay does.
