It's not just the points total now but when you also factor in the upcoming fixtures. We'll no doubt drop quite a few more points over the next 5 or 6 games.
See above. 8 points today, if we lose, but how many after we get through this tough patch? If we end up 10, 12, 15 points behind then it'll just snowball because the players will know it's over.
- That is true. This is the best squad we've had since 2009.
Values as in personality traits and not their costs.
Klopp is a better manager. There is no question. But who is better today and who is better next year can change in a moment. Why are we not giving him credit for us coming 2nd infront of Klopp last year? Just a thought.
If Guardiola never played for Barcelona, would he got chance to be a manager in Barcelona? I don't compare them but just want to show it is not that easy as you write. I would have gave more time to VanGaal even if people wanted him out beacuse you need time.
Because some of our more impatient, spoilt fanbase (usually not match-goers to be fair) walk around with an entitled 'we're Manchester Utd, we should be challenging' attitude, even when the reality is our squad and the way our team has been run at Board level has been a million miles off the standard required to win major trophies. Many who initially opposed Ole getting the job couldn't then admit they were wrong when he steered us to two consecutives CL finishes and tried to shift the goalposts to 'well, top four isn't an achievement, we should be winning trophies', as if City/Liverpool/Chelsea didn't exist and the last 5/6 years hadn't happened.
Define negativity. I don't expect the worst but at the same time I don't believe he has the experience for this level, not yet anyways. Is that negativity or just an opinion, like you have one yourself?
So much nonsense in a lot of this. You can't judge any player in a short period of time. Players like Sancho could be a generational talent for years to come. It's players like these our fanbase would probably be moaning we failed to sign 10 yrs back.
"We are chasing them. Liverpool are one of the teams that we are trying to catch up on, on say the last four years. Even though last season we were ahead of them, maybe because of bad luck with injuries."
Are you seriously saying that maybe Ole will be a better manager than Klopp next year???
I'm pretty on this line of thinking too. With the exception that i'm more of a glass half full type of guy, if we win today (which I think we have a realistic chance of doing so) then we'd only be 1 point behind Liverpool. Granted we'd be behind Chelsea and City too, but Tuchels never managed during the crazy Christmas period so we'll see how he copes with that. I remember Klopp had difficulities with it initially. I also don't think they can sustain their form with their strikers fluffing chances. We're also doing better in the CL Group and we're what, 4 points away from qualifying? Again, we've been here before and it went tits up last time, but this time round you'd hope we've learnt our lesson, we're also in an easier group. It's not been a good start to the season though, I can understand the frustration. But I think Bilbo raises the point well.
You are taking things out of context. A manager can easly fall from the top. As players can. As clubs can. Just for thought. What if Klopp gets meltdown and gets Liverpool to a 12th place and we win league next season with Solskjaer. Would you still think Solskjaer is a bad manager and put Klopp as a brilliant manager?
Well said. Its not as if hes doing it as a favour. Hes probably amongst the highest paid managers in the world. Not at the top but top 20.
"We are chasing them. Liverpool are one of the teams that we are trying to catch up on, on say the last four years. Even though last season we were ahead of them, maybe because of bad luck with injuries."
I think you could be taking things out of context with the injuries issues. It's no secret Ole burnt out his players last season. It doesn't matter if Rashford says he's fit to play when he obviously wasn't. He should of been taken out of the firing line. That's the managers job. The same this season pushing Maquire back in instead of trusting the back ups which Ole has done time and time again although I do think Ole/ the club deserves credit because looking at the bigger picture we haven't had as many injuries as in previous seasons.
He would be right. They were playing midfielders in defence for almost half a season. If we had 4 of our CB's out, we would be completely fecked. We're already bad with everybody available. It's still good that we climbed the table, but finishing ahead of Liverpool is not a great achievement if you actually look at why they had a poor season.
Absolute agree on the OP.
why should they hide the truth? do you think Wednesday's first half created optimism?
I’d just rather not hear a bunch of fully grown people parrot each other with the same negativity, especially when it’s hysterical after a dramatic brilliant second half win (to use your example.)
OK, so you don't want the truth. that's your choice
The threads are a direct reflection of our football. Once we look cohesive and start winning consistently the negativity will pipe down. You can't create an artificial dreamland by shutting down the majority of opinions. Imo the football needs to do the talking not the mods. Not long to suffer now, Ole is surely about to have a breakthrough. Or something.
A persons opinion isn’t the definitive truth, it’s an opinion. One their welcome to, one I would keep to myself if I could already see the entire forum was swamped with the same after every poor performance because it adds nothing to the forum other than make it quite toxic for a fan to visit.
Not sure if serious
What point is that? That most posters are very negative? Thats pretty much fact. Majority are not satisfied with this.You just had to finish on a negative and prove my point.
Never mind.
