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The online civil war in our fanbase
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Hahaha of the all the posters to start this thread. The thing is he does have a point, I don’t full agree with it but he has a point.
Main reason for the “civil war” is we tell everyone we are a big club. We spent a lot. We don’t win anything. Deliver a league or a CL and most the idiots will shut up about player x or y or Ole. People just need convenient scapegoats for their frustration in the meantime.
I like and always stand up for all our players who work hardest on the pitch. I can take or leave Martial Pogba and the Rashford of last season for that reason. That’s it.
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As a fan of Pogba, I’ll give some feedback of my own in regards to your OP.
I’m a massive fan of Rashford, albeit he had a poor season performance wise in my opinion….hasn’t changed my overall feeling of just being a massive fan of his as a footballer, as a man, and of his potential. I’m a fan of Bruno, I think he’s our most important player currently but that could change with Sancho coming in who is more of a team player, I also see massive contradictions with the way he is critiqued to others.
I rate Maguire massively Based on our end of last season it could be argued he is actually our most important player, I think Shaw has been our best player for 2 of the last three seasons and was a revelation at the euros. Massive fan of his.
McT is bang bang average, he gets away with criticism for letting players run off him constantly, for being the reason other teams walk through our midfield because he’s so very limited that expectation is low.
From the players you’ve listed I should love…..Martial is an exceptional talent who was our best player the season before last, could link brilliantly with Sancho but equally could piss his career down the drain. Fred….see McT although he’s better than McT in many regards he isn’t a great player. VDB hard to say, hasn’t impressed me though yet. Bailly I’ve given up on. Had high hopes but the way we fell to pieces with Maguire injured last season has finished the debate for me.
I think they are interesting observations you make but it’s really more personal opinion than lumping everyone together….which of course is where Pogba HATERS
really tend to go wrong since they can’t see past their own agenda.Im Pogba FC for sure but thats just because of the huge gap in technique. Only way we get back to the Top is through quality players and as you can tell from the list Pogba Fc is so far ahead of Bruno Fc. Then again football is much more than quality, you also need determination and great mentality. Also substitute VDB for Shaw so. Banter at the end of the day
Shaw transcends the two sides, remove him and add Dan James
Dan James definitely in the Ole in camp. Then again I feel like both camps will end the war just to keep James away.
Captain Maguire: Civil War
Yup. I called it that Telles would be nowhere near Shaws level.
People were saying we would see the benefit of having an ‘actual attacking’ FB
They are also pushing the story that Erikson's heart attack was the result of his covid vaccination. In fact they have a weird anti vax and anti lockdown vibe.
Nonsense. People have preferences to certain players but it's definitely not a 'one or the other' sort of situation.
Shit thread and an even worse "debate".
If you love twitter so much, stay on it.
If you love twitter so much, stay on it.
They’re just total shit heads. They were tweeting player room number during the protests too.
So which side is Captain America on?
Bruno Captain America
Pogba Iron Man
You are a bit too cryptic.
It appears you are trying to unite the entire forum against you. That's something I suppose.
I rate Pogba & have fond memories of Martial when he first came but you’re taking the piss with them groups of players.
It’s capable for people to like players in both groups you’ve listed & more outside of it.
‘United fans wishing the worst for Bruno & Maguire with a Pogba profile pic’
It’s capable for people to like players in both groups you’ve listed & more outside of it.
‘United fans wishing the worst for Bruno & Maguire with a Pogba profile pic’
I'm not sure the players on the teams are quite correct, but there's definitely factions of
Ole in / Out
Pogba in / Out
Bruno is bad and Pogba is good
Maguire is a rubbish fridge slabhead + we over paid
Mourinho lovers.
Fred haters
Haven't seen much hate for Shaw lately.
Ole in / Out
Pogba in / Out
Bruno is bad and Pogba is good
Maguire is a rubbish fridge slabhead + we over paid
Mourinho lovers.
Fred haters
Haven't seen much hate for Shaw lately.
Don't care. I hate all football fans equally. Yeah you heard that right, you are all scum to me.
How do I delete someone elses thread?
This is like when Tony Blair became the peace envoy for the Middle East.
I mean, there probably is some truth in the notion of ‘camps’, so to speak, although it isn’t perhaps as rigid as described. I, personally, have representation in both of these groups, for example (and of course, ‘hate’ none of them).
Regarding the players, I think there is some disparity in terms of a perceived appreciation of ‘talent’ and ‘effort’, which always tends to draw certain players into two extremes of groups. But that tends to be in terms of who people rate. I’ve heard not rating Bruno or Maguire as highly as others. I think the other group is where genuine ‘dislike’ seems to live - Pogba and Martial are the only players I get the impression that a number of fans genuinely don’t like. Perhaps that is due to their perception on ‘effort’, and their interpretation that these players don’t show enough of it for their liking.
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Regarding the players, I think there is some disparity in terms of a perceived appreciation of ‘talent’ and ‘effort’, which always tends to draw certain players into two extremes of groups. But that tends to be in terms of who people rate. I’ve heard not rating Bruno or Maguire as highly as others. I think the other group is where genuine ‘dislike’ seems to live - Pogba and Martial are the only players I get the impression that a number of fans genuinely don’t like. Perhaps that is due to their perception on ‘effort’, and their interpretation that these players don’t show enough of it for their liking.
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Interesting. . .
Cornetto.
I think the club will be better off in the long run without Martial and Pogba. Maguire Shaw and Bruno are the most important players in the squad. And we're going to need a better manager if we ever want to win anything.
Surely these are all the majority opinions.
Surely these are all the majority opinions.
I like both Fernandes, Pogba, Rashford and Martial. I rate Maguire too but maybe not as highly as some others. Shaw is brillaint. VDB is wank. Mctominay and squad should be squad players. And Bailey is unreliable. Finally, I don't think Ole is the man to take us to our goals.
I have no idea where I fall based on the above.
I am firmly in the Ole Meh camp. He’s doing a job while here, and is a club legend, but can be improved on.
What I noticed as I never go to Twitter is a lot of the English and Irish fans here hate Pogba. A big section of them also supports Ole which is weird considering Ole himself seems to be a big Pogba fan. You also have the residual Mourinho fanboys from his era who hate Pogba, Martial, and Shaw but can't show their hate for Shaw lately so they focus all their negativity on Pogba and Martial.
@Skills is right btw about Shaw, he was disliked by most people here till last year, the Telles thread was a hilarious read last summer.
@Skills is right btw about Shaw, he was disliked by most people here till last year, the Telles thread was a hilarious read last summer.
Like the vast majority of fans, you are not in a box or a camp, you just have opinions and feelings. I mainly share your views outside of maybe swapping Maguire and Martial and also I don't think that VDB is wank.
I have a feeling my name will come up at some point here regarding Mr Pogba. However I will always stand by what I say about him. He's definitely a real natural talent and anyone who says he isn't is wrong....However I just want to see him perform consistently in a red shirt which I don't believe he has done or ever will do no matter what we do. I also want all the off the field circus and flirting with other clubs to go away too.
I don't dislike the bloke. I don't dislike any player who puts our shirt on. I want Manchester United to be successful whoever is the coach and whoever is in the team and will always cheer them on and I'm sure everyone else does too.
I don't dislike the bloke. I don't dislike any player who puts our shirt on. I want Manchester United to be successful whoever is the coach and whoever is in the team and will always cheer them on and I'm sure everyone else does too.
Ever since SAF retired some kind of civil war emerged and became almost tradition. Woodward and the board appointing controversial managers like Louie and Jose helped the divide in opinions even more. To be honest Ole at least trying to unite big portion of supporters.
I reckon next season will put David de Gea on the spotlight of infighting even more than previous campaign. Also we're still not sure if Ole's good enough to push United higher in the CL, even despite a promising summer so far.
War is inevitable, that's for sure... or maybe, just maybe we'll have a great season after all.
I reckon next season will put David de Gea on the spotlight of infighting even more than previous campaign. Also we're still not sure if Ole's good enough to push United higher in the CL, even despite a promising summer so far.
War is inevitable, that's for sure... or maybe, just maybe we'll have a great season after all.
United has arguably the biggest fan base in the world, opinions will differ.
This just seems another stealth thread to complain about the manager and players people don't like...
That's what everyone does. This thread makes it seem like you're trying to make this conflict into a thing and push people to take sides. Wouldn't it be nice if we just accepted that some people have different opinions and didn't try to make out that the fanbase is divided into 2 groups of enemies, and that if you like pogba you have to hate bruno?
I reckon half of those who take that position aren't really United fans anyway. This type of thread is only useful for polarising the fanbase.
I fall into the category of being a Manchester United supporter.
To be fair, Nou Camp - you often come straight to the forum when Pogba is playing well to try to, I dunno, ‘balance’ any praise he receives. It doesn’t seem that you like him very much but you just don’t think he’s consistent, you have forwarded a number of ever-changing arguments for every single situation where others have found it fit to praise him. From your post, you would think that if it were all performance based, you would at least praise sometimes after one of his (five) good performances, and then criticise other times, naturally following a poor performance. It seems to be all one setting though, which makes it appear personal.
Telles is even respectable, many were saying Brandon Williams was better than him!
See, I used to be like that, too but as I'm getting older, it's changing for me. These days technical mistakes, miscontrols, poor touches, misplaced passes annoy me far more than perceived lack of effort. 'Working hard' is several levels below technical excellence in my list of priorities for a footballer. I massively prefer Pogba and Martial to McTominay and James.
I'm not sure why this has changed for me. I blame Tévez, the shift probably started with him.
Maybe you're right.
However I put that down to the constant stuff from his brother and agent about him wanting to leave etc. I'm not sure how all you lot put up with it tbh. I think it's really disrespectful. Let's not forget one of these media frenzies was pulled out on the eve of our CL showdown with Leipzig. The most ridiculous thing about that was we still had people on here defending them for it saying they don't blame him.
He's a good player with bags of ability but he has more baggage than Manchester Airport. I think if he didn't have that scumbag of an agent things might have been different.
It's a form of self-harm, in my estimation. Doesn't make sense otherwise.