Bring on the Super League...
The Premier League is Crap
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@SER19 will be grand vizier when I seize power
I wouldn't say it's the just the PL.
Last week I rewatched an old Utd /Spurs game on MUTV, the pace of the game and the quality of the football just seemed much better. Plus it was more entertaining. Maybe I am looking at it wrong, I don't know, the football somehow just doesn't seem better now. More refined, better science, more data etc.. but that doesn't necessarily mean the football itself is any better.
I would watch a good bit of GAA, the football has become so hard to watch it's almost unbearable at times, even local club matches. 15 players behind the ball and passing over and back on the 45m line looking for an opening. Players are pretty much told not to try and score from certain areas because they only have a 10/20% chance of scoring, every score the ball is just worked to the middle 30 metres to make it easier. Basically looking for the safe shooting zones. I read somewhere a while back that
basketball was suffering from this and becoming predictable and boring, all the scoring or the majority was done from shooting straight in front of the hoop.
Anyway, old man rant over.
I tried to get into both Portuguese and Spanish leagues and neither really do it for me tbh. I go to the odd Celta Vigo match. I quite like the set up at some of the clubs in Spain, but the football is not as entertaining as the PL. That said, the connection between PL clubs/players and fans seems to be getting further apart with time. It's rapidly becoming solely a who's best at shopping competition.
I mentioned in the OP that the statement can be considered without comparison to other leagues, even just comparison to a time when it itself was better. I don't quite get the framing of your question - if there's a suggestion that I think other leagues are superior and have a fair explanation of why I think somebody should be watching them, I'd have put it in the OP, but I don't believe I'm making that suggestion.
It's like saying Cadbury's chocolate is crap. It might be fair to follow up and ask 'well what should we be eating instead, and why is it superior' - but it isn't necessary for discussing Cadbury's and it isn't something the Cadbury's-hater claims to have an answer to
Like every other top league it is just getting terribly one sides and the result is threads like this pop up. I completely understand it. The most exciting I have been during a title run in was when Leicester against all possible odds became champions. These stories are becoming too rare.
I generally don't want to whine and complain because I support Utd and they are no better than the other top clubs in terms of spending truckloads of money. Isn't it just a matter of time before utd gets into trouble due to some shady business? It wouldn't surprise me anyway.
I generally don't want to whine and complain because I support Utd and they are no better than the other top clubs in terms of spending truckloads of money. Isn't it just a matter of time before utd gets into trouble due to some shady business? It wouldn't surprise me anyway.
If all chocolate is getting simultaneously shitter and shitter, then it makes more sense to start a thread about why chocolate is all getting shit than one bemoaning the declining standards of Cadburys.
Football is ruined by state ownership and it’s evident.
The lack of competitiveness in the Prem is killing the game.
The lack of competitiveness in the Prem is killing the game.
Everything everywhere is crap all the time.
Well if you just want to go in that direction ok. In the last 18 years we had United, City, Liecster, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. In La Liga ... Atletico, Barca and Real
Since when it went globalizing, with social media at its height, constant news and infoations without proof check, the product of we know as Football has transform into a mega profit-generating marchine and plaything for the rich and powerful. And as we know throughout history, when it happens, there is pretty much nothing we can do against them (rich, powerful people, states, mega corporation couple with the interwine interests with the league leadership and government organiztion...etc). We fans have no voice whatsoever, we can only watch, listen to, and live with any of bland football that they show and throw us. Only way is to not watch or watch with minimum interest and become less and less interest in it as time passes by like i feel right now. Never in my mind that i would think like this 10 years ago but with what is going on with the football nowadays i care less and less...
Quite funny considering half of you lot wanted City to win the league over Arsenal and now you're bemoaning the lack of competitiveness in the league for the title.
It boils my piss that nobody ever talks about City having 100+ charges hovering over them. I don't think I've heard a single person in the media mention it one single time since the days that it was announced
It's kinda like nobody winning it
18 years aren’t relevant today… 5 in 6 is what we used to slander about the others…
Spain is about to have a third different champion over the last 3 years and Italy is about to have a 4th different champion over the last four years…
Why use the past tense.… We still want Arsenal to lose it. And we’d have the same (only way stronger) reaction if Pool were the one supposedly fighting Abu Dhabi for the title.
I for one am loving our development under ETH. This is the most enjoyment since 2006-07 (1) and 12-13 (2) for me, following united.
I've also enjoyed watching Arsenal and their style of football.
I am loving this PL. I think the quality of managers is at one of its highest. My 2 cents.
I've also enjoyed watching Arsenal and their style of football.
I am loving this PL. I think the quality of managers is at one of its highest. My 2 cents.
We do?
Well I believe I speak at least for some of us… Those who understand how meaningless City’s trophies are.
They're not though, are they? History won't remember them like that.
Your calculation must be wrong because Valencia and Arsenal both won their last league titles in the same season (2003-2004).
So that would be 4 champions versus 6. The 6 includes one of the biggest flukes in the history of the sport.
Still enjoy it way more than any other League. Have enjoyed it even more since I don't have to listen to the biased British commentators and pundits on Sky etc. United dominated the PL for the first 20 years of its existence. Was it boring with us winning it all the time? No. Now looking forward to our resurgence. Away from the top teams, can still enjoy good matches of quality and excitement which in other leagues drop significantly below the top few clubs.
Crap, but enjoyable crap 
. The top 4 race and relegation battle is always fun. I know not everyone agrees with this but on the one hand it's disgraceful that a club like Everton could be relegated given their status and history, on the other it shows that you need to be smart if you're not in the modern 'big six' and want to survive in this league. That they could spend so much money and be utterly useless is the premier league in a nutshell.
On a side note, Italian football looks to becoming competitive again. That top 4 race looks really exciting and Napoli winning the league is a great story.
. The top 4 race and relegation battle is always fun. I know not everyone agrees with this but on the one hand it's disgraceful that a club like Everton could be relegated given their status and history, on the other it shows that you need to be smart if you're not in the modern 'big six' and want to survive in this league. That they could spend so much money and be utterly useless is the premier league in a nutshell. On a side note, Italian football looks to becoming competitive again. That top 4 race looks really exciting and Napoli winning the league is a great story.
I think it's fair to say that top PL clubs are struggling with having strong, consistent "projects."
Liverpool have been mediocre 2 of the last 3 seasons, Spurs haven't really clicked since Poch's last season, Chelsea have been slowly coming undone since Conte's departure (which Tuchel's half-a-great season + CL title obscured), and United under Ole never really went anywhere.
I think there's been an assumption that the money would fix everything, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Liverpool have been mediocre 2 of the last 3 seasons, Spurs haven't really clicked since Poch's last season, Chelsea have been slowly coming undone since Conte's departure (which Tuchel's half-a-great season + CL title obscured), and United under Ole never really went anywhere.
I think there's been an assumption that the money would fix everything, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
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Agree, it's never spoken about, was shown on sky , MOTD etc the day the FA announced it, and that's it. Talkshite talked about all of a few mins , no examination into the charges no phone in about it etc , its as if as soon ad pep says we got good lawyers everyone shut up about it?
If this was UTD it would be mentioned every game since charges were given.
Sorry mate Italy isnt even relevant. Their league ia very weak and its gonna show against Real or City. Its gonna be a blood bath
Managers aren't petty enough in 2023. Too professional. Mourinho called Wenger a specialist in failure ffs. Now Thomas Tuchel and Antonio Conte hold their handshake a bit too long without giving enough eye contact, and that's considered drama. Klopp and Guardiola are more likely to hug it out than go hell for leather. It used to be everyone thought they had the prettiest wife at home, now they're all swingers.
Football in general is sterile, at least at the top level.
I don't think it's all City and those types of clubs fault either. In fact, the blame primarily lies with the broadcasters and the football authorities.
Not that I would be against 90 English league clubs coming together and banishing certain clubs from any involvement in the game in this country. Obviously it won't happen but if I could make one decision to save the game, well, let's just say a certain club wouldn't exist in this country any longer. The first time a club deserved to disappear.
I don't think it's all City and those types of clubs fault either. In fact, the blame primarily lies with the broadcasters and the football authorities.
Not that I would be against 90 English league clubs coming together and banishing certain clubs from any involvement in the game in this country. Obviously it won't happen but if I could make one decision to save the game, well, let's just say a certain club wouldn't exist in this country any longer. The first time a club deserved to disappear.
I am not sure what that blood bath would show exactly?
We were talking about entertainment and unpredictability. In that matter Italian league is at its best for a long time, even though they don’t have a “City” winning 5 of 6 and spending billions.
No doubt Premier League is the top league nowadays. Beside the usual suspects that pull away from the rest each season, teams often closely competitive. The average players are better than the average from other leagues. However, it's not the as entertaining, or Serie A of the old age exciting. Reason? Not enough special, a level above other player. Those who are top dog stood out even when his teammates are world class.
KDB, Haaland maybe that, but KDB is not sexy enough character wise, nor Haaland as a freak as he is enjoyable footballer. But both looks like every bit efficient pieces for a robotic team. VVD few years ago in his prime got that huge reputation because he stood out not only in his job, but his character. PL and world football used to have players who have both character, flair and of course end product to back for their ability.
Perhaps it's the generational issue of academy manufactured footballers? Players got pushed to be efficient from young age but the trade off lack of imaginativeness in skillset, flair?
KDB, Haaland maybe that, but KDB is not sexy enough character wise, nor Haaland as a freak as he is enjoyable footballer. But both looks like every bit efficient pieces for a robotic team. VVD few years ago in his prime got that huge reputation because he stood out not only in his job, but his character. PL and world football used to have players who have both character, flair and of course end product to back for their ability.
Perhaps it's the generational issue of academy manufactured footballers? Players got pushed to be efficient from young age but the trade off lack of imaginativeness in skillset, flair?
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it's the whole football, not just EPL. I feel there are very few things to actually admire. smaller clubs do the hard work and develop players, richest clubs then come with cash and then you wait until april for them to play each other. that's it.
it's very easy to get tired watching the same thing most of the time, which is why I loved the recent WC so much.
it's very easy to get tired watching the same thing most of the time, which is why I loved the recent WC so much.
That Isak dribble was super exciting though
What a bizarrely pedantic couple of tweets. What you're saying isn't neccesarily true either- it absolutely depends on what point a person is trying to make. You can make the analogy work using cadburys, but change it to a person complaining about how poor their relationship has become. In that case you absolutely don't have to start comparing to other relationships. I really don't know what you're getting at tbh, and your first message to be was sort of dealt with by the language of the OP
Surely what your actually saying is all football is crap then? If you think the PL is crap and you are saying the other leagues aren't better, perhaps you just don't like football anymore?
Isn't that only because Barcelona screwed themselves financially, though? They aren't even good this season and are running away with the title.
Not sure that deserves credit, to be honest.
Reads like a negative Nancy/Table-watcher that doesn't actually watch a lot of football, let alone different leagues with any regularity.
That's what the Glazers bet the shop on. If there was a remote possibility of it happening, the leeches would be hanging on for dear life.
It is good as it accumulates more and more elite players, every year it buys the best from the other leagues, however, I at least, always had the feeling that Arsenal would not be able to keep up.
City also seem to be the only ones able to focus comfortably on domestic league and Europe, unlike Barcelona, Napoli or Madrid in the past years.
In short, whatever happens in the summer 2023 market and regardless of the success of coaches and players, it seems that the objective is to be second or third.
City also seem to be the only ones able to focus comfortably on domestic league and Europe, unlike Barcelona, Napoli or Madrid in the past years.
In short, whatever happens in the summer 2023 market and regardless of the success of coaches and players, it seems that the objective is to be second or third.
12-13 - United were the only team to pass 80 points. United were hard carried by RVP and the rest were mediocre. A truly forgettable season all round.
15-16 - Leicester won the title with a mere 81 points. If this was City and not an underdog nobody would have anything remotely positive to say about it.
There’s 2 examples in 10 years of a worse quality PL season.
This is complete pedantry, and no, it simply doesnt mean that. From amateur football to recent international tournaments to some aspects of 'football' there is plenty that isnt crap. This is specifically about the Premier League and if you applied this weird qualifying to normal conversation you could never have a normal conversation. It means what it says.