The Race for 4th
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I'm struggling with this narrative that we cruised it, wins at Arsenal, Southampton & Anfield were well timed to say the least. First 2 rather fortunate.
Not to say we haven't suffered from a bit of bad luck along the way - Leicester anyone?
Funny olde season, I think we are where's fair overall but form has been rather patchy.
Not to say we haven't suffered from a bit of bad luck along the way - Leicester anyone?
Funny olde season, I think we are where's fair overall but form has been rather patchy.
Have we given up on third place? Is it just widely accepted that there is no way we are catching Arsenal or City ? Or are there a few optimist still around
We'll need City to lose to both Swansea away and Southampton at home, or Arsenal to drop 9 points out of 12.
You never know!
IT'S ON
United A
Sunderland H
WBA H
Arsenal need 4 points from this as they have a +7 GD.
Its a long shot but you never know what might happen if we beat them.
Sunderland H
WBA H
Arsenal need 4 points from this as they have a +7 GD.
Its a long shot but you never know what might happen if we beat them.
Sunderland and WBA wont be push overs. We could get 3rd if we beat them next week.
What about that folks, beat Arsenal and third is in sight.
If we win our next two then that 7 goal difference can easily disappear.
That 3 game loss annoys me even more now.
True. If we beat Arsenal 2-0 then the GD is down to 3.
We've no chance. Even if we win both our games, Arsenal need just 4 points from two home games against crap teams. They'll manage that easily. Tonight was a freak result but lightening won't strike twice, never mind 3 times.
Give them a 5-0 battering for old time's sake, and take care of GD.
Then we just need them to drop points in one remaining fixture. Easy.
Then we just need them to drop points in one remaining fixture. Easy.
Unless we smash Arsenal, there's very little chance of us overtaking them on goal difference. We'd have to rely on Sunderland/WBA winning, or Arsenal drawing both.
Feck it, it's on!!
Feck it, it's on!!
This is why I love football, because you never know what could happen next.
Difficult but 3rd is still a possibility at this moment
Difficult but 3rd is still a possibility at this moment
I've dreamed bigger than 4th a few times this season. Each time the bubble has promptly been burst. I'm sure this time will be the same, but 4th is all that matters at the end of the day.
If we beat Arsenal 3-0, the GD would be + 1 in their favour. Plus, because we require them to lose/draw another and us win our game against Hull to achieve third place, the GD at the very least will be the same.
Having said that, I don't think we'll do it.
We would need to batter Arsenal then batter Hull for us to have a chance of finishing above them.
They'll most likely win both games vs Sunderland and West Brom, but even if they draw one we'll have to hope they only beat Sunderland/West Brom by a single goal.
They'll most likely win both games vs Sunderland and West Brom, but even if they draw one we'll have to hope they only beat Sunderland/West Brom by a single goal.
United 3 Arsenal 0
Hull 0 United 3
Arsenal 1 Sunderland 0
Arsenal 0 WBA 0
United 74 pts GF 67 GA 36
Arsenal 74 pts GF 67 GA 37
Pinch 3rd place by 1 goal
Hull 0 United 3
Arsenal 1 Sunderland 0
Arsenal 0 WBA 0
United 74 pts GF 67 GA 36
Arsenal 74 pts GF 67 GA 37
Pinch 3rd place by 1 goal
If we beat Arsenal anything can happen.It will then go to the last game of the season.With the F.A cup final to think about surely they won't have the likes of Sanchez playing 3 times in a week.They'll have lost 2 games on the trot at that stage and will be facing a battling Sunderland side.Let's make it uncomfortable for them at least.
Can someone explain to me what happens if...
United v Arsenal 3-0
Hull v MU 0-4
Arsenal v Sunderland 1-1
Arsenal v WBA 3-0
spacerP W D L GF GA Diff Pts
AFC W38 22 8 8 70 38 32 74
MUFC 38 22 8 8 68 36 32 74
United v Arsenal 3-0
Hull v MU 0-4
Arsenal v Sunderland 1-1
Arsenal v WBA 3-0
spacerP W D L GF GA Diff Pts
AFC W38 22 8 8 70 38 32 74
MUFC 38 22 8 8 68 36 32 74
Arsenal finish ahead because of more goals scored.
Arsenal are 3rd on more goals scored
AFC by goals scored.
Cheers @Paul the Wolf & @thegregster ... What a sickener that would be
. If we beat them on Sunday we have to go for a hatful v Hull.Not necessarily, Sunderland beating top teams away like they did last season to escape relegation and WBA parking the bus like they did against usCheers @Paul the Wolf & @thegregster ... What a sickener that would be
So if we beat Arsenal, we will need to them to either draw two of or lose to one of Sunderland, Villa or West Brom. All at the Emirates too.
United 3 Arsenal 0
Hull 0 United 3
Arsenal 1 Sunderland 0
Arsenal 0 WBA 0
United 74 pts GF 67 GA 36
Arsenal 74 pts GF 67 GA 37
Pinch 3rd place by 1 goal
No, see above
Villa is in the Cup. Different competition. Different stadium.
Sunderland is the other one who could do them over with them in a relegation battle and in form.YeahI just looked at the fixture on the BBC and didn't look at the competitions
Am not holding my breath, sadly I think 3rd is gone after our crap results
In any case, the lads still need to be up for the game on Sunday - the least they owe the fans is a win at the final home game of the season.
In any case, the lads still need to be up for the game on Sunday - the least they owe the fans is a win at the final home game of the season.
Realistically it will be a very tough match on Sunday, so better not get too carried away; for any of these dream scenarios, we have to win it. A slip up by Arsenal in either (or both) of the last two matches (two draws?) is very possible.
If we beat arsenal we will need to go full attack vs brucey maybe.
It is still unlikely. First of all, I don't see them not winning the 2 home games. Sunderland may offer resistance as they might still need points by then but don't expect West Brom to defend maniacally on last day when they are safe.
Let's say they pick 4 points from those 2 games, a 2 goal win for us vs Arse will bring GD to +3 in their favour. So we will effectively have to top Arsenal's win margin vs Sunderland/West Brom by 4(if we tie on GD they will be ahead having scored more goals). So if they draw Sunderland and beat West Brom 1-0, we will need to beat Hull by 5!
Our only hope is a big win by say 3 goals min. at our place vs them as difference will count double. Don't see that happening either(such huge win).
We will stuff them 7-0.
Tough ask, but I hope we will have two options to go 3rd on the last day of the season: For that we obviously need to beat Arsenal, but it would also be great if Swansea beat City, who then have to get a point against Southampton in their final game. Ideally Spurs self-implode again against Hull at home, so Sunderland have it all to play for when they visit the Emirates in the midweek fixture. For that we also need Leicester to at least get a point at the Stadium of Light, which is very possible considering their recent run in the last couple of months.
Anyway, lots of its and buts. To make it short, this must/should happen:
Leicester beat Sunderland
Hull beat/draw at Tottenham
Swansea beat City
United beat Arsenal
Arsenal get a point at max vs Sunderland at home
Would make a great final day. It's possible, but extremely unlikely to happen.
Anyway, lots of its and buts. To make it short, this must/should happen:
Leicester beat Sunderland
Hull beat/draw at Tottenham
Swansea beat City
United beat Arsenal
Arsenal get a point at max vs Sunderland at home
Would make a great final day. It's possible, but extremely unlikely to happen.