UpWithRivers
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There is a lot of blame going around blaming every single player and manager and the board and the owners. We keep saying we need to buy this player and that player and get another manager, change this, change that. But lets look at it from a different angle.
We have one of the most experienced managers in football with equal number of trophies to Pep. We have one of the most expensive squads with very talented players. Previous to Mourinho we had Van Gaal another very experienced and highly decorated manager and an expensive squad. Ok we can start arguing that most of our players wont get into Cities team and we play boring football etc. But that is not the point. To win the Prem you need to be consistent. We can loose to City and thats not ok but its acceptable. What we should do is beat the other 15 teams home and away. Thats 90 points. Ok. Ok thats not realistic. There will be off days. But we can make up those points from drawing and winning a few games against the top 5 even if we arnt as good as them on paper as they also will have off days against us.
This is what for me was the genius of Ferguson. He knew that he had a system and a methodology that would produce a team that would relentlessly win against most of the other teams. It was a machine. Yes we had great players but the greatness was the ability to grind out results week in week out.
So why cant we do that now? Its the players? No it isnt. Our team is better at least than 15 other teams. Its the manager? No. Better than at least 15 other teams. Its the way we play. Shouldn't matter. We should be beating Brighton, West Ham and the rest of them week in week out with the odd freak result going against us then coming up against City etc and losing or maybe grabbing a lucky win/draw.
So whats the problem you ask? No one believes in the Managers philosophy. Not Van Gaals, Not Mourinho's and not even David Moyes. How do we get anywhere when the fans, the board and even the players do not believe in the managers philosophy? This stems from the 'Utd Way' and the legacy that was Ferguson. Even this season you can see Mourinho talking about being more attacking. When you look at the team. Do you see a Mourinho team? No. Its is nothing like his teams of old. Do you see players with absolute trust and dedication to his system and his methodology? No way. Players are questioning him all the time. So are the fans and the board. We can get rid of Mourinho but whoever we get in we will never get anywhere until we (the board, the fans and the players) all believe 100 percent in the manager and support him no matter what.
And I say this as a fan that just wants the 'Utd Way' brought back. But maybe its time to let go.
We have one of the most experienced managers in football with equal number of trophies to Pep. We have one of the most expensive squads with very talented players. Previous to Mourinho we had Van Gaal another very experienced and highly decorated manager and an expensive squad. Ok we can start arguing that most of our players wont get into Cities team and we play boring football etc. But that is not the point. To win the Prem you need to be consistent. We can loose to City and thats not ok but its acceptable. What we should do is beat the other 15 teams home and away. Thats 90 points. Ok. Ok thats not realistic. There will be off days. But we can make up those points from drawing and winning a few games against the top 5 even if we arnt as good as them on paper as they also will have off days against us.
This is what for me was the genius of Ferguson. He knew that he had a system and a methodology that would produce a team that would relentlessly win against most of the other teams. It was a machine. Yes we had great players but the greatness was the ability to grind out results week in week out.
So why cant we do that now? Its the players? No it isnt. Our team is better at least than 15 other teams. Its the manager? No. Better than at least 15 other teams. Its the way we play. Shouldn't matter. We should be beating Brighton, West Ham and the rest of them week in week out with the odd freak result going against us then coming up against City etc and losing or maybe grabbing a lucky win/draw.
So whats the problem you ask? No one believes in the Managers philosophy. Not Van Gaals, Not Mourinho's and not even David Moyes. How do we get anywhere when the fans, the board and even the players do not believe in the managers philosophy? This stems from the 'Utd Way' and the legacy that was Ferguson. Even this season you can see Mourinho talking about being more attacking. When you look at the team. Do you see a Mourinho team? No. Its is nothing like his teams of old. Do you see players with absolute trust and dedication to his system and his methodology? No way. Players are questioning him all the time. So are the fans and the board. We can get rid of Mourinho but whoever we get in we will never get anywhere until we (the board, the fans and the players) all believe 100 percent in the manager and support him no matter what.
And I say this as a fan that just wants the 'Utd Way' brought back. But maybe its time to let go.