The Reality Draft: Main Thread (Finals)
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Bloody hell, you greedy feckers... Poor Viva, could have gotten his ideal striker at the death!
I did think that actuallyI bloody hate you, I swear. Worst guy ever
I'm fecking clueless. Stupid love to VDS what an horrific decision
Sorry. ...was at work. I'll be home in about 15 minutes
Damn was looking forward to the draw today 
Yeah, been an incredibly slow end to a pretty fast draft(I think, felt like it at least)
Dis is not mobinng fast enough. Get tracking!
You heard the boss.For my pick I decide I'll link up the last piece of this quartet
Looking good, seems like a really cohesive side.
Come on. Well deaw tomortowish
I pick Gaizka Mendieta
I'm out, possibly drinking so here comes another pick I won't remember.
Neville Southall.
Neville Southall.
Oh yeah @Aldo, possibly.
Possibly?
That's how you know you're wasted. You don't even know if you've had anything to drink or not, but you have a slight hunch.Possibly?
01. Annahnomoss - (3. Tardelli) 1. Cocu 2. Gentile 4. Amoros 5. Rossi 6. Gascoigne 7. Scirea 8. Bossis 9. Littbarski 10. Sterling 11. D. Alves 12. Preud'homme 13. Simeone
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville 10. J. Rodriguez 11. Augenthaler 12. Rocheteau 13. Van Breukelen
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi 10. Juan Bernat 11. Sanchís, 12. Zenga 13. Rafael Gordillo
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry, 10. Pogba, 11. D. Villa 12. Belodedici, 13. Casillas
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze 11. Vieri 12. Abidal 13. Chilavert
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke 11. A. Cole 12. Donadoni 13. Cech
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal 11. Evra 12. Schumacher 13. Paulo Sousa
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos 11. Michel 12. Fillol 13. Butragueño
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez 11. Peter Schmeichel 12. Elkjaer 13. Crespo
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard 11. Gianluigi Buffon 12. Boban 13. Mendieta
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman 11. Mauro Silva 12. Bezsonov 13. Southall
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar 11. Montero 12. Pfaff
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva 11. Kahn 12. Sagnol
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba 11. Reuter 12. Van der Sar
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane 11. Kaltz 12. Krankl
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos 11. J. L. Ferreira 12. Dasaev
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville 10. J. Rodriguez 11. Augenthaler 12. Rocheteau 13. Van Breukelen
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi 10. Juan Bernat 11. Sanchís, 12. Zenga 13. Rafael Gordillo
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry, 10. Pogba, 11. D. Villa 12. Belodedici, 13. Casillas
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze 11. Vieri 12. Abidal 13. Chilavert
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke 11. A. Cole 12. Donadoni 13. Cech
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal 11. Evra 12. Schumacher 13. Paulo Sousa
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos 11. Michel 12. Fillol 13. Butragueño
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez 11. Peter Schmeichel 12. Elkjaer 13. Crespo
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard 11. Gianluigi Buffon 12. Boban 13. Mendieta
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman 11. Mauro Silva 12. Bezsonov 13. Southall
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar 11. Montero 12. Pfaff
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva 11. Kahn 12. Sagnol
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba 11. Reuter 12. Van der Sar
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane 11. Kaltz 12. Krankl
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos 11. J. L. Ferreira 12. Dasaev
No, that part came to me when I typed Neville Southall.
Has Chester screwed up my team yet?
I've concluded that it is possible to sport a WM with these boys. Possible, I says - not necessarily desirable. Depends on the opponent.
The best WM variation does not include Beckham, though - and that's sort of a deal breaker. I reckon the wisest and safest option here is to use the tried, tested and easily marketable right side combo of Becks n' Gaz.
On a general note, I think a WM must look something like this in terms of modern roles/functions:
Beckham could play as the right sided CM/AM but that's about it. I suspect he'll be hard-sell in a more central role anyway. If I do go for the WM I'll probably use Neeskens in said role, Nedved alongside him - and a DM combo of Junior and Mascherano. Three man line at the back: Buchwald, Augenthaler and Neville. Three man line up front: The kid, Henry, Rocheteau.
No man is positively out of position in that set-up.
The best WM variation does not include Beckham, though - and that's sort of a deal breaker. I reckon the wisest and safest option here is to use the tried, tested and easily marketable right side combo of Becks n' Gaz.
On a general note, I think a WM must look something like this in terms of modern roles/functions:
Beckham could play as the right sided CM/AM but that's about it. I suspect he'll be hard-sell in a more central role anyway. If I do go for the WM I'll probably use Neeskens in said role, Nedved alongside him - and a DM combo of Junior and Mascherano. Three man line at the back: Buchwald, Augenthaler and Neville. Three man line up front: The kid, Henry, Rocheteau.
No man is positively out of position in that set-up.
In fairness Viva, you left yourself completely exposed there and I doubt a single manager out there wouldn't have guessed your intentions to sneakily get Crespo at 13th. Serves you right for taking Edwin, I've wanted to get him in goal for some time now. Can't have your cake and eat it and all that
I have no idea who I need as a sub so might as well go for The King.
01. Annahnomoss - (3. Tardelli) 1. Cocu 2. Gentile 4. Amoros 5. Rossi 6. Gascoigne 7. Scirea 8. Bossis 9. Littbarski 10. Sterling 11. D. Alves 12. Preud'homme 13. Simeone
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville 10. J. Rodriguez 11. Augenthaler 12. Rocheteau 13. Van Breukelen
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi 10. Juan Bernat 11. Sanchís, 12. Zenga 13. Rafael Gordillo
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry, 10. Pogba, 11. D. Villa 12. Belodedici, 13. Casillas
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze 11. Vieri 12. Abidal 13. Chilavert
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke 11. A. Cole 12. Donadoni 13. Cech
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal 11. Evra 12. Schumacher 13. Paulo Sousa
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos 11. Michel 12. Fillol 13. Butragueño
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez 11. Peter Schmeichel 12. Elkjaer 13. Crespo
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard 11. Gianluigi Buffon 12. Boban 13. Mendieta
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman 11. Mauro Silva 12. Bezsonov 13. Southall
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar 11. Montero 12. Pfaff 13. Cantona
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva 11. Kahn 12. Sagnol
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba 11. Reuter 12. Van der Sar
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane 11. Kaltz 12. Krankl
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos 11. J. L. Ferreira 12. Dasaev
@The Red Viper
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville 10. J. Rodriguez 11. Augenthaler 12. Rocheteau 13. Van Breukelen
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi 10. Juan Bernat 11. Sanchís, 12. Zenga 13. Rafael Gordillo
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry, 10. Pogba, 11. D. Villa 12. Belodedici, 13. Casillas
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze 11. Vieri 12. Abidal 13. Chilavert
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke 11. A. Cole 12. Donadoni 13. Cech
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal 11. Evra 12. Schumacher 13. Paulo Sousa
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos 11. Michel 12. Fillol 13. Butragueño
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez 11. Peter Schmeichel 12. Elkjaer 13. Crespo
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard 11. Gianluigi Buffon 12. Boban 13. Mendieta
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman 11. Mauro Silva 12. Bezsonov 13. Southall
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar 11. Montero 12. Pfaff 13. Cantona
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva 11. Kahn 12. Sagnol
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba 11. Reuter 12. Van der Sar
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane 11. Kaltz 12. Krankl
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos 11. J. L. Ferreira 12. Dasaev
@The Red Viper
Nah, if he were wasted he wouldn't have got a goalie. That would have been funny actually.
It was indeed a horrendous decision. Theon was yet to pick a striker in the last round. You had first dibs and gave him a chance to get the top two remaining instead. Shocker.
I just wonder, after all the talk of goalies making no difference, what would have been the reaction to Mauro Silva in nets.
At least he wouldn't be unfamiliar with dreadful kits.
I doubt it'd matter if he was just labeled "Silva" and was said to be a goalkeeper. He really makes that outfit his own by pulling the shorts up to his belly button too.
He really makes that outfit his own by pulling the shorts up to his belly button too.Think Anto is cheating. He picked an already picked player from someone else as his 14th pick when it wasn't even his turn.
I shust deletedd my post.
Crespo was a steal at this late stage. Not a personal favourite of mine, but he wouldn't have been too out of place in the DoF forward section.
I really like how even the picks of this draft has been. Even in the last two rounds we've seen the likes of Cantona, Crespo, Abidal, Donadoni and Sagnol. I can see a 12th-13th pick go straight in to the starting eleven and displacing an earlier pick in many cases here, just depends on the desired system.
I'm bored so I'll latch on to Pat's post to start a "let's all laugh at Viva" sub-thread.
Exhibit 1) A historic poster published by El Gráfico which still trades on ebay-style sites. It announces the arrival of the Prince heir to Enzo Francescoli: Hernán Crespo, the latest River youth product.
Exhibit 2) This is the actual goal that led to Enzo picking up the new Prince. Francescoli had scored a similar goal for River ten years earlier and the way Crespo went about it was so similar, so reminiscent of Enzo, that the commentator on the video himself says "Enzo" when he is making contact, assuming it HAD to be him.
Long story short (not really as it turned out)
Enzo was Crespo's childhood idol. He had won league and South American titles for them when he was about ten and, still aged 20 (when this happened), he still had the poster of that Enzo bicycle kick stuck on his wall. He actually keeps it to this day (in fact, as far as Crespo is concerned Francescoli > Maradona, and he is Argentinian!).
Imagine what it must have been like to come through at River, join the first team, and suddenly find Francescoli coming back to play for a couple of seasons before retiring. He was a massive influence to a very young side that provided Argentina's backbone for an entire generation (look them up, can't name names). The really curious thing was that was the same season that Hansen infamously said "you can't win anything with kids". Well, Enzo lifted their level and inspired a bunch of 20 year-olds to win the Copa Libertadores in 1996.
This goal is in the first knockout round. Away leg River had played poorly and were lucky to be 2-0 down when Crespo came on with a few minutes to go and shortened the distance, off an Enzo assist. Back in the changing room Enzo tells them: "Lads, we got lucky out there, but it's all in our hands now and if we overcome this, I think we will go on to win the whole thing". Home leg was the trial of fire for them, their first big test of character. First goal Crespo assisted by Enzo, second goal Enzo, this was the third and as Crespo picks himself up he thinks how it was that goal of his dreams, and it's Enzo lifting him up...
That was the point of no return, 5-2 scoreline, 6-4 on aggregate and they never lost again until the Final first leg (1-0 also away) but by then they were never not going to turn that around. Crespo scored both goals.
Wonderful understanding they had, so compatible, so likeable, such a great story... yet Viva gets giddy and throws it all away to get VDS.
Exhibit 1) A historic poster published by El Gráfico which still trades on ebay-style sites. It announces the arrival of the Prince heir to Enzo Francescoli: Hernán Crespo, the latest River youth product.
Exhibit 2) This is the actual goal that led to Enzo picking up the new Prince. Francescoli had scored a similar goal for River ten years earlier and the way Crespo went about it was so similar, so reminiscent of Enzo, that the commentator on the video himself says "Enzo" when he is making contact, assuming it HAD to be him.
Long story short (not really as it turned out)
Enzo was Crespo's childhood idol. He had won league and South American titles for them when he was about ten and, still aged 20 (when this happened), he still had the poster of that Enzo bicycle kick stuck on his wall. He actually keeps it to this day (in fact, as far as Crespo is concerned Francescoli > Maradona, and he is Argentinian!).
Imagine what it must have been like to come through at River, join the first team, and suddenly find Francescoli coming back to play for a couple of seasons before retiring. He was a massive influence to a very young side that provided Argentina's backbone for an entire generation (look them up, can't name names). The really curious thing was that was the same season that Hansen infamously said "you can't win anything with kids". Well, Enzo lifted their level and inspired a bunch of 20 year-olds to win the Copa Libertadores in 1996.
This goal is in the first knockout round. Away leg River had played poorly and were lucky to be 2-0 down when Crespo came on with a few minutes to go and shortened the distance, off an Enzo assist. Back in the changing room Enzo tells them: "Lads, we got lucky out there, but it's all in our hands now and if we overcome this, I think we will go on to win the whole thing". Home leg was the trial of fire for them, their first big test of character. First goal Crespo assisted by Enzo, second goal Enzo, this was the third and as Crespo picks himself up he thinks how it was that goal of his dreams, and it's Enzo lifting him up...
That was the point of no return, 5-2 scoreline, 6-4 on aggregate and they never lost again until the Final first leg (1-0 also away) but by then they were never not going to turn that around. Crespo scored both goals.
Wonderful understanding they had, so compatible, so likeable, such a great story... yet Viva gets giddy and throws it all away to get VDS.
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That's an incredible way to rub it in.
Great story as always! Always great to read them.
Nothing will make up for him getting Enzo Francescoli in the legacy round. It was supposed to be a forcible dead wood round FFS.That's an incredible way to rub it in.