Bivol took more damage and all. He said he his own gloves caused the bruising around his eyes due to Beterbiev punching his gloves or at least partially. But yeah draw would've been a fair result. Great fight regardless.
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Bivol took more damage and all. He said he his own gloves caused the bruising around his eyes due to Beterbiev punching his gloves or at least partially. But yeah draw would've been a fair result. Great fight regardless.
You can control the fight on the back foot, Floyd made an art of it. Stay on the outside or just move around and be too quick and elusive, give them nothing, in and out whilst putting a few nice combinations together etc. I think the turning point was Beterbiev working the body, good advice if it came from his corner. As soon as he did that, Bivol slowed right down and allowed Beterbiev to get inside and start working.
How do people see Bivol and Beterbiev against Kovalev? It was the first time I've seen Beterbiev fight and I actually wasn't that impressed if I'm honest. I didn't see the power his record would suggest.
These 20 KOs, are they from wearing an opponent down or has he shown one punch KO power?
These 20 KOs, are they from wearing an opponent down or has he shown one punch KO power?
In a weird way I'm hoping for a bit of a lull in boxing, in the hope that they lose a bit of interest and move on to something else. The whole thing just feels wrong, it's like they're trying to buy culture at the expense of the fans. Just feels tacky as hell.
You could almost guarantee they have been told to say things like this. They must think the boxing fans watching are idiots. Absolutely nobody is buying it.
Out of interest, what's the script with the Saudis who turn up to these fights? They friends/ family/ associates of the royal family? Paying public? It just feels like it's probably one big flex from the royal family, as though they're putting a bit of evening entertainment on for their friends, who have no real interest in boxing.
Nicely done!
Fight felt draw-ish to me, and 116-12 instinctively feels wrong, but many of those rounds were razor-thin, both on the initial eye-test and according to the stats. I wouldn't put that as a robbery, personally. From the Ring Magazine website:
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Aye, great as these fight cards are there's quite a bitter aftertaste. The sycophancy, the shite atmospheres, fecking Kadyrov rocking up to celebrate with Beterbiev
Outside of general sportswashing, feck knows. Pick a popular western pastime and invest in it. If his excellency says you love boxing then you love boxing
Ironically, with a nod to the above, at least Kadyrov is a genuine boxing fan. Probably the most genuine fan in the whole buildingAye, great as these fight cards are there's quite a bitter aftertaste. The sycophancy, the shite atmospheres, fecking Kadyrov rocking up to celebrate with Beterbiev
Not overlooking the mass-murdering aspect of course, but still……
I think to around R9 his distancing, placement and defense mostly frustrated Beterbiev of opportunities and Bivol was often the most efficient for 2 minutes out of three in most rounds.
On a rewatch I might see things differently but in the moment I genuinely thought he was well ahead.
People frame it as a "do you value more activity or accuracy" thing but for the first half of the fight Beterbiev wasn't all that active (or more accurately did not tons of openings).
What I'll say is that I'm not sure there was a lot you could change to Bivol's game plan and I don't see a lot of ways he could improve his performance that was already very high level... So I'll think a rematch will have the same problems for him unless Beterbiev ages out of that form (and he was fresh post recovery !). Save of course for an insane flush counter perfect punch.
As an aside, the Japanese card this morning (headlined by T.Inoue vs Tsutsumi) was very good.
Another good Japanese card currently underway.
Junto Nakatani is now in action against a Thai boxer with a good record in home country.
Assuming Junto comes through he will be on a collision course with Naoya Inoue which would be a massive fight in Japan and in the trade but overlooked by casuals.
Hope Turki is paying attention
Junto Nakatani is now in action against a Thai boxer with a good record in home country.
Assuming Junto comes through he will be on a collision course with Naoya Inoue which would be a massive fight in Japan and in the trade but overlooked by casuals.
Hope Turki is paying attention
To be fair I think the knee operation will have taken something out of him as he's a front foot fighter and speaking from experience of having several knee ops over the years it seriously effects your movement.
As for both of these fighters against a prime Kovalev, I think the fights could go either way if I'm honest. Kovalev was dropped a few times times but was a powerful puncher so I think he could finish both fighters if he caught them. I'd give Bivol the better chance though, as I think he's technically better, I could imagine Beterbiev walking on to shot with his front foot style.
Good fight, happy it lived up to the billing. Had it 115-113 Bivol with him winning 1-3 and 7-10 but it was close, hopefully we get the rematch and a more conclusive winner. Felt he landed a lot of the cleaner work but often wasn't busy enough when he had managed to hold the centre of the ring, and ended up on the back foot too much being outworked in the closing stages of rounds which is always going to sway judges.
Well, Tszyu was exposed bad last night. His big American break is not coming. Need to take some time off and rebuild.
Yeah, absolutely zero head movement (or defence of any kind really).
Thought that was a terrible stoppage as well, ref should have called it after the first knockdown in the 3rd. To let him get up, ship a huge right hand and then STILL force the corner to throw in the towel for the fight to end was abhorrent.
Murtazaliev surely on Uncle Turki's radar now after that and likely to be in the mix for Crawford/Ortiz next...
Tszyu is a tough guy but the ref was way out letting that hiding continue into the 3rd.
Needs to rebuild with some domestic wins then if he can take the defensive side more seriously may be able to get back to title picture.
I love Usyk. He's funny.
Just caught up with the Manchester show from last night; Catterall has some skill but my god he’s a hard watch.
Haha that's class.
IBF orders eliminator between Bakolé and Kabayel... That's a hype fight.
Eh?
Perfectly legit as an eliminator. Both coming off good wins.
Highest rated fighters on Boxrec except those already involved in title fights for other governing bodies.
Hype fight in the sense I like it !
The winner of this would perhaps get the IBF champion next (Dubois presumably) and that's also a nice bout to make.
I hear fans groan a lot at the IBF calling mandatories and stripping belts somewhat quick (I was told it's because since they were investigated for corruption they are more zealous to stick to their actual written rules). While it is a little silly Usyk and Beterbiev are threatened to be taken their IBF belts just after achieving undisputed status (Beterbiev has been granted an exception for a potential rematch though), it does keep things moving in a way the sports needs more of.
I get what you mean, in the sense it gives these guys an opportunity to fight for a trinket and therefore incentivizes them to accept a risky fight that's good for the sport rather than wait in a queue for the undisputed champ... but it does just completely devalue the belt doesn't it? Like, nobody in there right mind considers Daniel Dubois or William Scull to be a 'world champion'.
There are much worse "champions" out there than Dubois.
That's the problem with the 4 Belt era and fragmentation of the traditional weight classes, interim champs, champs in recess etc. the true talent is spread too thinly.
That and moreso it avoids the stagnation of classes like 168 with Canelo. Undisputed is maybe a bit of an overrated notion presently : A run to undisputed is exciting, once the status is achieved you have champions sitting and belts and the mandatory turn around for each org crawling to a alt... Or guys getting "undisputed" status in a single fight (like Taylor, no slight to him).
Usyk and Beterbiev achieving it this year was great because it culminated in fights against peers and I don't think they're really devalued losing the IBF belt on paper.
Dubois is legit. Scull is pretty uninspiring but at least it keeps one belt in play for a challenger instead of waiting for Canelo to retire because it's pretty clear that at this point he won't take a dangerous fight at 168 and will put on hold his mandatory if he wants to.
In my opinion the belts and rankings only have value if they foster good fights, and I think not stalling divisions is a net good for that.
Absolutely fantastic fight between Vaughan and Essuman tonight. Could have fought it in a phone box. Great stuff!
Haven't caught it yet but sounds as though Masoud boxed brilliantly (and scores should have been wider), Davies fallen in love with his power too much of late maybe?
Tyson’s best interview to date, that I’ve seen.
I don’t think Masoud did anything amazing but he clearly won the fight. I’m amazed anyone could have scored it for Davies - that judge must have seen Masoud boxing off the back foot as ultra negative.
Davies did nothing to set his punches up and just marched forward face first - he was awful.
This whole Paul vs Tyson thing is strange. For a bloke that cares so much about 'clout' how is banging up a 58 year old man anything to be proud of? If he lays it in on Tyson then it will just look sad.
I don't think I can stay up and watch it but I hope Tyson can put something together and knock him out. He's easily capable still. I suppose the other question is what he's 'allowed' to do.
I’d be shocked if there was a stoppage; in fact, I think it’s likely scripted, if not entirely, some sort of agreement about no stoppage/ko.
People always get carried away with a 10 second pad clip of Tyson - he’ll be blowing out his arse after a couple of minutes.
It’s a complete grift so they both get paid - nothing more.
People always get carried away with a 10 second pad clip of Tyson - he’ll be blowing out his arse after a couple of minutes.
It’s a complete grift so they both get paid - nothing more.
Remember when Mayweather did this kind of thing with Conor McGregor? Mayweather had to hold him up that last few rounds to get it to points.
I hope Mike goes off script and does a real number on that gob shite!
Much as I’d like that to happen, aren’t they 2 minute rounds with 14oz gloves.
The Taylor-Serrano rematch is the main fight at the event really. That will be worth watching.
It's indicative of where boxing is right now and a shame to see. Might as well wheel George Foreman out for the next one.
Tyson looks like he's already bored of the whole thing. He's got his eyes on the pay check and little else. I don't think he hates, dislikes or even cares about Paul.
Tyson looks like he's already bored of the whole thing. He's got his eyes on the pay check and little else. I don't think he hates, dislikes or even cares about Paul.
How good is that Paul fella anyways? Is he a legit boxer who could go toe to toe with some of the best in his weight class, or is he simply a kid who's very good at boxing for being an influencer?