Agree but I thought some of the scenarios went too far in time (which is a bit odd for time travel, but there you are - I had a similar complaint with Time Trap).
Think that's all of them. After Midnight was the one I couldn't remember and was kind of bad
Yeah, exactly. It's not so on the nose and a lot to think about afterwards. For Get Out, reading about it afterwards, I mostly find out about how all kinds in the film foreshadow later events or otherwise reference other parts of the film. For Nope, I found out about a lot of further themes and ideas that I hadn't thought of or recognized myself.
I’ve never seen such visceral, lifelike death scenes.
Like it myself. You should see Tokyo vice and Giri Haji if you like these types of movies.
I haven’t seen it myself, but this is meant to be good -
Thanks, I'll definately watch it.
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You say this about pretty much every horror film
Nice one, I've been trying to watch Baker's early stuff but it's hard to find!
Not sure bud, I much preferred Malignant, Incantation, Nightmare Alley, Antlers and The Nighthouse, all of which were in the last few years... But as I said, maybe my expectations were too high. The same happened with Babadook when I first watched it. So much hype that it couldn't realistically meet.You say this about pretty much every horror film
The reality is most people wouldn't react rationally in a lot of situations they're put in, and if anything, characters doing the "not dumb shit" in extreme tense moments would appear completely stupid, even if it makes sense on paper.
I don't think there's anything any of the characters do in this one that takes you out of the moment or makes you roll your eyes.
It was by far one of the best horror films in a long time, both from a technical and narrative standpoint, you're being way too harsh. It's not a masterpiece, but it's an excellent film in its genre.
Dumb decisions are kind of the point. It's about being suspicious and sceptical of relatively benign people and situations, while immediately trusting terrible people and ignoring signs of trouble - long with his measuring tapeNot sure bud, I much preferred Malignant, Incantation, Nightmare Alley, Antlers and The Nighthouse, all of which were in the last few years... But as I said, maybe my expectations were too high. The same happened with Babadook when I first watched it. So much hype that it couldn't realistically meet.
As for dumb decisions... There were many... Especially:
after she gets trapped in basement and then Skarsgaard comes home, he goes there and she fecking follows him in (nearly getting locked in again ffs) and sees that it goes deeper so she goes down even deeper and then finds him and he's telling her they need to go towards the monster
I know I say this a lot but a good, maybe great horror flick doesn't have this happen. Hereditary, It Follows etc.
Nah I'm not on board with that unfortunately. There are dumb decisions and there are DUMB decisions. The bit I highlighted in the spoiler is just pure fecking stupid and there really was no coming back from that. It just didn't make sense. It wasn't even a spur of the moment decision... It was thought out and idiotic. This is coming from a character who otherwise seemed very clued up and post going through a traumatic experience. Any normal person would never end up in that position after being given a second chance. I just don't buy it.
You get that there was a purpose to people making bad decisions? I mean it could have been a relatively run of the mill monster in the walls movie and they could have had some contrivance that made it more difficult to escape and get help but it wasn't trying to do that. They could have tried harder but I dont think it would havev helped with the larger point and messsage of the film. It kind of required bad decisions to be made. I kind of get being incredulous about some of the choices but i just think they make sense in the context of the movie.
I guess that's gone over my head. I loved the fact that she was distrusting of one guy and then hell bent on trusting the other. Stuff like that was fine. But other bits I was just saying "ffs don't be so thick". And when I start thinking like that, it just takes me out of the movie.
The entire movie is about trust. The homeless guy chasing her to the door, the cops, Skarsgaard being skecptical and checking the basement himself and not trusting she knows the way out. The flashbacks where a boiler suit makes you entirely trustworthy and safe. Multiple people overlooking weird, dodgy shit that could have put the whole messy situation to bed decades before it started. Longs total inability to recognise danger or red flags.
Yeah but don't you think it was tooooo heavy handed? Like, yeah people make bad judgement calls... Sometimes. Whereas here, every decision was that.
Thats the point! The logic behind the judgements is stupid, dumb and broken. And im not talking about the logic behind how to deal with a monster in your basement. Move the context to another subject. One thats referenced in the film and is really, really hard to miss. They're pointing out how stupid these judgment calls are.
Thanks, sounds like a famous movie.
We have Saints & Strangers on Netflix over here. It's a kind of series (two parts of about 90 min each) that describes the arrival and first year of the Pilgrims. Apparently, it's fairly historically accurate and more or less does justice to the Native Americans depicted (including extensive use of their real langauges). It's interesting if you want to get a sense of what life was like for them. I think you could give it 7/10 (but certainly not more).
The stuff you're talking.. actually let me spoiler as people might not have seen it:
The stuff you're talking.. actually let me spoiler as people might not have seen it:
The stuff you're talking about in your spoiler, I'm completely on board with. It's all related to dramatic irony. Tess doesn't know Keith is a normal dude, she don't know AJ is a rapist, the woman in the past don't know the old dude is a creepy fecker... That's all ok. We all make bad judgement calls and ignore obvious red flags. I have no issue whatsoever with any of that.
My issues come with the moments of suspense (when we and the character are finding things out at the same time). It's these moments that the character decisions can not be moronic (especially if it's not a snap decision). The best horror experiences, especially in a grounded film is when we put ourselves in the characters shoes... You can't do that here.
Let's take the scene where Keith returns home as this is the moment where I, and many others I'm sure, check out of the film.
Tess is established as a smart and thoughtful person. You can see that the way she demands to see Keith's booking reference etc. And her conversation about the difference in his men and women have/are forced to behave in situations like the one her and Keith find themselves in...
So after getting locked in the basement and finding a dungeon where someone clearly was locked up in, and the fact that we the audience and her the protagonist don't fully trust Keith (by design)... He goes in there to check it out, she's waiting at the door. Ok fine. That's what we would do potentially.
Then she goes after him and nearly locks herself in. Like, after an ordeal like the one she just had, she would be more careful. But feck it, maybe she wasn't thinking straight.
Then she walks back into the dark area and Keith is nowhere to be seen. At this point, she don't know Keith, she doesn't trust him... Why the feck don't she leave? But ok, maybe she's worried about him... Sure.
Then ANOTHER door is discovered, with stairs leading down to darkness and this guy she and we don't trust is calling her to help him...
I'm sorry but even my 5 year old would know what to do in that scenario
There is absolutely no fecking way she, a smart woman who already has said that women can't be as brazen as men in these situations and was so hesitant to trust Keith at the start would walk down into that dungeon. No way at all. No one would do that. Ever.
She realistically had two choices. Either get out and drive away or get out and call someone. Maybe the cops, maybe a friend and tell them where she is etc.
NOBODY would walk down there! It's a decision that setup the rest of the film and a decision that is so idiotic that from this point, I just don't care what happens because I know there's no way 99.9% of the people on this planet would end up in this situation.
This is not a bad judgement call... It's a lazy way to get her down there and move the plot forward.
No need to apologise mate, I love watching a film and discussing it, even if we don't get any closer to shifting each others opinions. Normally my mind can be changed with the right arguement but the decisions thing is something that just takes me out of a movie and whether intentional or not, I won't ever be on board with it.
Just finished watching it. It's a good movie and as you said historically pretty accurate.
Yeah, I was stretching it a little with that 7.
