Gentleman Jim
It's absolutely amazing! Perfect even.
Essien should be there, maybe Makelele too.
It is very impressive but he never reached Henry's and Ronaldo's sensational level. Shearer is a hard one for me. Clearly his stats shows that he perhaps should be top but Ronaldo and Henry (and Suárez for a short while) were far more exciting to watch overall.People make it sound like this in and of itself isn't impressive and isn't worthy of taking to account. Giggs in his prime was an incredible footballer regardless of not being the best and his longevity was something very special. Those two things together earn him that spot. If it was based purely off a players ability then it'd be different, but there's a lot of factors to take into account.
You would really have Gary Neville above Henry?Bit of a shit list really. If we are going on people who contributed to the premier league, then I'd have:
1. Giggs
2. Scholes
3. Ronaldo
4. Keane
5. Neville
6. Rooney
7. Cantona
8. Henry
9. Schmichael
10. Ferdinand
To have so few United players high up is silly. We've been by far the best team. to exclude Evra, Vidic, De Gea, Irwin and Carrick off there is madness.
Why should Suarez be higher? Only had one great season really and won feck all.Ronaldo and Suarez really should be higher. I'd even argue Berkamp should be higher. Also like others have said, where is Aguero?
2 great seasons. On 12-13 he was great, IMO the best player in the league despite that Bale won the award (Bale was the best in the second half of the season, but during the entire course of the season, I think that both him and RVP were better).Why should Suarez be higher? Only had one great season really and won feck all.
Typical revisionism. Ronaldo is a level above Giggs. And what were these consistent 30+/ assists and goals seasons?Yes, in 03/04.
I would go with:What would La Liga be like? (only including the time span of premier league)
1-Messi
2-Ronaldo
3-Ronaldinho
4-Zidane
5-Raul
6-Xavi
7-Puyol
8-Valerón
9-Albelda
10-Iniesta
Hard to do this. I think the right way is to rank how the players impacted the league. (That's why I put Valeron ahead of Iniesta, he gave a title to A Coruña)
Actually, he is a few levels above Giggs, but in EPL he had 3 great seasons (1 out of this world), a good one and two frustrating one. Giggs had 20 good seasons, which put him higher in an EPL list IMO.Typical revisionism. Ronaldo is a level above Giggs. And what were these consistent 30+/ assists and goals seasons?
Ronaldo of 06-08 was definitely better, and Henry as well but I'd struggle to pinpoint specific years for him.The subjectivity with these lists always evolves around how much weight you give longevity vs. peak performance.
If it was simply a question of who played at the highest level in any sort reasonable time period (a few months - a season) then the answer for me would be Suarez of 13-14. I don't think anyone reached that level in the PL before, either statistically or aesthetically.
If you want the blend with longevity, which is another question, then it's Henry all day for me.
Bale, Ronaldo and Henry definitely reached those levels.The subjectivity with these lists always evolves around how much weight you give longevity vs. peak performance.
If it was simply a question of who played at the highest level in any sort reasonable time period (a few months - a season) then the answer for me would be Suarez of 13-14. I don't think anyone reached that level in the PL before, either statistically or aesthetically.
If you want the blend with longevity, which is another question, then it's Henry all day for me.
I actually agree with this 100%. But I held back and only said one level so as not to sound like I'm bashing Giggs' contributions. And yes, in terms of overall contribution to the league Giggs is probably #1 but my question was simply if Giggs was ever anywhere near Ronaldo 07/08, in fact I don't believe Giggs ever reached the level of Ronaldo of 06/07 but that's a closer call.Actually, he is a few levels above Giggs, but in EPL he had 3 great seasons (1 out of this world), a good one and two frustrating one. Giggs had 20 good seasons, which put him higher in an EPL list IMO.
I think that Henry should be in the first place cause he had 7 great seasons (arguably each of them being better than any season of Giggs).
Irwin is one of the most underrated footballers ever.Was Gary Neville a better fullback than Denis Irwin? I know that Alan Hansen has said that if he was to pick the best Premier League XI ever, he would pick Irwin at right and left back.
Irwin seemed maybe more consistent and perhaps better all around
Everything in this post is wrong. All of it.As long as Zola isn't in there I'm fine.
Irwin - better than Cole and GNev
Vidic - should be in*
*Not at the expense of Tony Adams though, Adams was a better player for far longer than Vida
Because he was bloody awesome, and still is bloody awesome, so he's a good player that didn't do a one-season wonder. I am thinking on the basis of quality though.Why should Suarez be higher? Only had one great season really and won feck all.
Accomplishments in other leagues doesn't matter otherwise Ronaldo would've been a clear winner.Because he was bloody awesome, and still is bloody awesome, so he's a good player that didn't do a one-season wonder. I am thinking on the basis of quality though.
I don't think so. Suarez got 31 goals and 12 assists in 33 PL games while his general play was also dazzling, bringing the best out of many players around him. He dragged an average team to within an inch of the PL title. None of Ronaldo or Henry's peak seasons in the PL match it IMO.Ronaldo of 06-08 was definitely better, and Henry as well but I'd struggle to pinpoint specific years for him.
Nah, just not true at all.I don't think so. Suarez got 31 goals and 12 assists in 33 PL games while his general play was also dazzling, bringing the best out of many players around him. He dragged an average team to within an inch of the PL title. None of Ronaldo or Henry's peak seasons in the PL match it IMO.
I'm actually underselling Suarez a bit.Nah, just not true at all.
I have to hand it to you, you truly have a special (and deluded) bias towards Man Utd unlike almost anything I've ever seen.Bit of a shit list really. If we are going on people who contributed to the premier league, then I'd have:
1. Giggs
2. Scholes
3. Ronaldo
4. Keane
5. Neville
6. Rooney
7. Cantona
8. Henry
9. Schmichael
10. Ferdinand
To have so few United players high up is silly. We've been by far the best team. to exclude Evra, Vidic, De Gea, Irwin and Carrick off there is madness.
So you want to take penalties out of the equation but you're happy to include 5 goals against Norwich and a lack of goals against top level opposition?I'm actually underselling Suarez a bit.
He scored 31 non penalty goals in 33 appearances for an average side. In Ronaldo and Henry's best goal scoring seasons (which still don't better Suarez's ratio), they had their goal stats padded by a handful of penalties.
I know it's hard to admit to yourself, but Suarez really was that good that season.
Everything in this post is wrong. All of it.