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By that definition coal mining is real work too. I guess taking everything else aside, I don't see how you can call Hollywood "real work" but coal mining isn't?
I shouldn't have used the term "real work", what I was trying to say was that the vast majority of work is being done in the so called urban liberal places. (As a response to @Eboue 's "Its sickening to see the contempt that urban liberals have for the actual working people of this country.")
 

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I shouldn't have used the term "real work", what I was trying to say was that the vast majority of work is being done in the so called urban liberal places. (As a response to @Eboue 's "Its sickening to see the contempt that urban liberals have for the actual working people of this country.")
working people as in working class
 

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I think @Eboue has a point.

It's all well and good people talking about what's best for the environment and what's going to happen in the future, but unless you have a good way of communicating this and what you are doing for the current communities built around these things then you are on to a loser. Further to that, if you've no plan other than "they just have to deal with it" what do you expect these people to do?
Exactly.

So the best bet to be 'on to a winner' in these communities is to feed them a line of bullshit about bringing their jobs back and then completely forgetting them once they've voted for you.
 

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I think @Eboue has a point.

It's all well and good people talking about what's best for the environment and what's going to happen in the future, but unless you have a good way of communicating this and what you are doing for the current communities built around these things then you are on to a loser. Further to that, if you've no plan other than "they just have to deal with it" what do you expect these people to do?

We are talking about lives of real people built around generations. If you don't think it's at least a little bit wrong to just brush that aside for the sake of what you see as progress, well, then you don't get why the likes of Trump and Brexit is allowed to happen.

It's not all racism and evil thoughts, a lot of people just don't understand how the world needs to move on. And ridicule and blanket statements just isn't that great a way of educating them. Imo.
Yes. Hillary's comment about putting miners out of business was likely intended to refer to the big companies involved in coal mining. Instead, it's right up there with her deplorables moment at telling a whole bunch of voters I don't care about you.
 

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I'll be honest I kind of skipped over most of this. Liberals don't want healthcare for all, socialists do. I'm a socialist.
Which is where the USA struggles. Liberal is a dirty word, Socialist is an absolute no no, simply because of how distorted the definition of each has been etched in to the minds of most citizens.
 

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What's so special about coal workers, there are millions of people lose their job because of the advancement of technology.

Architects, used to be dozens of them now being replaced by one Autocad
Accountant, what used to be teams and teams is not replaced by Excel, and many other accounting programs
Shop Assistant replaced by drones and automated machine
Bank teller replaced by ATM and Net Banking
Factory workers replaced by machines
 

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What's so special about coal workers, there are millions of people lose their job because of the advancement of technology.

Architects, used to be dozens of them now being replaced by one Autocad
Accountant, what used to be teams and teams is not replaced by Excel, and many other accounting programs
Shop Assistant replaced by drones and automated machine
Bank teller replaced by ATM and Net Banking
Factory workers replaced by machines
Because the US is still stuck in the dark ages in terms of most things, banking/technology for the most part and advancements past the age of fossil fuels and it's usually the rust belt states which is very akin to living in the 50's/60's North England, they seem to blankly refuse to want to move on and so promises are made to keep it, the US would be in the best place to actually embrace Solar & Wind Energy given the vast amounts of land and the amount of sun they get but always seemingly ruled out due to the "unsightly" towers /turbines which is ironic given what comes with oil, coal and the like.
 
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The real work done in the USA is done in Silicon Valley, Manhattan, feck, even Hollywood. Coal accounts for next to nothing, it's a 19th century industry. People who get their hands dirty are always so stuck up about their "work" :lol:
Hollywood is an industry ran by pedophiles, backstabbers, and rapists. A fair few devil worshipping elitists too, who also like little boys and girls. And even with all the money in the world, those bitches couldn't tell an original story and shove rehashed movies from yesteryear down our throats. Honestly, feck Hollywood, nuke them.

i dont think gdp is a good way of measuring work done
You're sounding like Yang here ;)
 

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My gut feel is France (and possibly others) won't agree a 3 month extension unless it's for a ge
3 months is not long enough for a referendum (or a renegotiation) and unless Mays bill is passed then I think they will want to know a ge is coming which may change UK's position.

I suspect a confidence motion the day after he has to submit the letter asking for the extension (id there has not been one before)

I don't think France would act unilaterally to kick out the UK but they may add conditions (eg you have an extension to 31st march but it can't be extended any further under and circumstances)

Let's be honest though if the UK was to stay now we would likley be a proper pain to put up with especially given our meps
 

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I think America becoming a socialist state has about as much chance as America introducing Sharia law. Actually I think it's less likely.

Idealism is awesome, but without realism, you will just spend your life being angry that guys like Trump keep governing the country.
 

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Teaching them basic coding or computer skills would help them get jobs in IT, not working for Google. In rural America, those are valuable skills that don't always require huge amounts of education. Since most young people leave these areas, they're also viable careers for older workers to fill the void. As for healthcare, the training would be for jobs like nursing, elderly care, etc., not as doctors. There is a dearth of qualified people to care for aging populations in these areas (again, because the young people leave for better opportunities).

What do you propose? Let them keep mining? Lie to them and tell them their industry will get better despite knowing it won't? Pay them to sit at home rather than offering them alternative ways to earn a living?

Bernie Sanders is promising similar things to workers in coal country by diversifying their economies with renewable energy jobs, tech jobs, etc.
You have a better chance of teaching them vocational skills like plumbing, building and electrical trade than coding at this stage of their lives. A lot of tech jobs require problem solving skills developed from an early age.
 

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*Trump pouts, thumps desk, cries*
 

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He's desperate for everybody's gratitude. Reminds me of old Communist posters I saw in a book, with the slogan 'Thank You, Beloved Stalin, for our Happy Childhood':

 

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He's desperate for everybody's gratitude. Reminds me of old Communist posters I saw in a book, with the slogan 'Thank You, Beloved Stalin, for our Happy Childhood':

Probably one of the reasons he’s obsessed with Kim Jong-un. Loves a mural.
 

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The air force staying at his hotel is only the tip of the iceberg on that story.

What's more interesting is why they've increased refuelling stops at that (loss making) airport (to the tune if around £9m, and are now its biggest customer.
 

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The air force staying at his hotel is only the tip of the iceberg on that story.

What's more interesting is why they've increased refuelling stops at that (loss making) airport (to the tune if around £9m, and are now its biggest customer.
Hint: it rhymes with honey squandering
 

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Hint: it rhymes with honey squandering
Prepares self for Tucker Carlson explaining how this is not only justifiable, but good for the tax payer and that the real problem here is the irresponsible fake media trying to hurt the President.
 

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The air force staying at his hotel is only the tip of the iceberg on that story.

What's more interesting is why they've increased refuelling stops at that (loss making) airport (to the tune if around £9m, and are now its biggest customer.
I believe the suggestion is that the airport was brought by the Scottish goverent for £1 as it had been commercially unviable
Said commercial unviability continued and as such the government was considering closing it... I believe trump turnbury tried to stop this as they believed the airport was essential to its future viability
However this year it has seen millions spent by the us us military on refuling ... Which is a littl surprising as they never used to refuel there and doubly surprising when you consider they pay more for fuel there than they would at military bases...
That said the most surprising thing would be having enough evidence to take this beyond allegations and into something that could be prosecuted
 

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I believe the suggestion is that the airport was brought by the Scottish goverent for £1 as it had been commercially unviable
Said commercial unviability continued and as such the government was considering closing it... I believe trump turnbury tried to stop this as they believed the airport was essential to its future viability
However this year it has seen millions spent by the us us military on refuling ... Which is a littl surprising as they never used to refuel there and doubly surprising when you consider they pay more for fuel there than they would at military bases...
That said the most surprising thing would be having enough evidence to take this beyond allegations and into something that could be prosecuted
Trump Org. has a property nearby this airport and the organization feels the airport is crucial to their property's economic future.

Trump has previously vowed to make said airport successful. (see @langster 's post above.)

Trump is now in a position where he can influence government agencies to use certain facilities and services of his choosing, either directly or through incentives.

It's not a big logical leap at all.
 

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Trump Org. has a property nearby this airport and the organization feels the airport is crucial to their property's economic future.

Trump has previously vowed to make said airport successful. (see @langster 's post above.)

Trump is now in a position where he can influence government agencies to use certain facilities and services of his choosing, either directly or through incentives.

It's not a big logical leap at all.
On the first point.. yes trump turnbury as I mentioned

On the second point logical leaps don't turn allegations into prosecutable cases... And as I say the most surprising thing to me would be if there was an evidence trail to support said leap of logic
 

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On the first point.. yes trump turnbury as I mentioned

On the second point logical leaps don't turn allegations into prosecutable cases... And as I say the most surprising thing to me would be if there was an evidence trail to support said leap of logic
I'd wager that the incentive offers to US servicemen are pretty good evidence.
 

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On the first point.. yes trump turnbury as I mentioned

On the second point logical leaps don't turn allegations into prosecutable cases... And as I say the most surprising thing to me would be if there was an evidence trail to support said leap of logic
Why would they be using Prestwick Airport to refuel when America has Air Force bases in the UK where they could refuel with a greater level of security. They could also house their crews on their bases.
 

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Why would they be using Prestwick Airport to refuel when America has Air Force bases in the UK where they could refuel with a greater level of security. They could also house their crews on there bases.
I fully agree it is a logical leap... I still say that in order to turn that into a prosecutable case there would need to be evidence

And I'd still be shocked if there was lots of that lying around
 
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