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Nah, I simply have a different opinion on the matter. Diversity of thought is not something that is welcomed with open arms around here. Rather than discussing concrete talking points, ad hominem attacks and throwing fellow posters under the bus for cheap applause from the group seem to be more popular options.

But, as mentioned before, it's a Trump thread.
Your opinion was wrong and you are taking shit. For someone who says "do your own research" you half ass it. Right wing media is full of fecking shit.
Edit: why should anyone come back at you with anything. Right wingers are fecking idiots.
 

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Nah, I simply have a different opinion on the matter. Diversity of thought is not something that is welcomed with open arms around here. Rather than discussing concrete talking points, ad hominem attacks and throwing fellow posters under the bus for cheap applause from the group seem to be more popular options.

But, as mentioned before, it's a Trump thread.
Let me translate:

"I simply have a different opinion on the matter." You're quoting right wing propaganda and spreading false facts, either because you're stupid enough to believe this bullshit is true or because you're evil enough to manipulate naive people this way. Your arguments are hollow and easy to dismantle but by granting you the attention associated with such debates, you're gifted a platform to infect others with this disgusting drivel.

"Diversity of thought is not something that is welcomed with open arms around here." You are subtly discriminating minorities and spread lies. You're allowed to do that, nobody persecutes you for that but you don't want to accept the opinion of others who are disgusted by you, hence you're trying to position yourself in the victim role again by pointing to a constitutional right that you don't want to gift others (free speech) although yours wasn't even harmed in the first place. Double standards at it's finest.
 

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Let me translate:

"I simply have a different opinion on the matter." You're quoting right wing propaganda and spreading false facts, either because you're stupid enough to believe this bullshit is true or because you're evil enough to manipulate naive people this way. Your arguments are hollow and easy to dismantle but by granting you the attention associated with such debates, you're gifted a platform to infect others with this disgusting drivel.

"Diversity of thought is not something that is welcomed with open arms around here." You are subtly discriminating minorities and spread lies. You're allowed to do that, nobody persecutes you for that but you don't want to accept the opinion of others who are disgusted by you, hence you're trying to position yourself in the victim role again by pointing to a constitutional right that you don't want to gift others (free speech) although yours wasn't even harmed in the first place. Double standards at it's finest.
The left is so fecking authoritarian, they won’t even let us have our own facts anymore.
 

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Let me translate:

"I simply have a different opinion on the matter." You're quoting right wing propaganda and spreading false facts, either because you're stupid enough to believe this bullshit is true or because you're evil enough to manipulate naive people this way. Your arguments are hollow and easy to dismantle but by granting you the attention associated with such debates, you're gifted a platform to infect others with this disgusting drivel.

"Diversity of thought is not something that is welcomed with open arms around here." You are subtly discriminating minorities and spread lies. You're allowed to do that, nobody persecutes you for that but you don't want to accept the opinion of others who are disgusted by you, hence you're trying to position yourself in the victim role again by pointing to a constitutional right that you don't want to gift others (free speech) although yours wasn't even harmed in the first place. Double standards at it's finest.
You are confusing your own opinion with absolute truth. Find us an appropriate thread on this forum and we'll talk. I feel bad about hijacking the Trump thread for this long.
 

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You are confusing your own opinion with absolute truth. Find us an appropriate thread on this forum and we'll talk. I feel bad about hijacking the Trump thread for this long.
I'm well aware of the difference between opinion and fact, thanks, and after your posts in this thread, I don't really have any interest in debating anything with you.

By the way, I think this fits in here quite well because you're applying the same argumentation strategy Trump is applying.
 

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A fecking Reichsbürger on the CAF? How embarrassing for him.
 

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When did this become the German thread? I understand Drumpf as some connection, but keep it on topic.
 

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They only good thing about the folks who go "I'm no trumper but" is that they are very quick to show their true colors.
 

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So I took this test out of curiosity and found out I'm a left-wing libertarian

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en

What does left-right here mean again? Is it just about economic views? Cause ideally, this should have three dimensions: socialist-capitalist, anarchist-authoritarian (libertarian is just partial anarchy), closet-plains (no idea what would actually be the right words to talk about moral orientation). That last one is often missing, but if you don't have it, you can't explain very well why Evangelicals flock to the GOP en masse; or why social conservatives are willing to die (politically) on the abortion hill.
 

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Let me translate:

"I simply have a different opinion on the matter." You're quoting right wing propaganda and spreading false facts, either because you're stupid enough to believe this bullshit is true or because you're evil enough to manipulate naive people this way. Your arguments are hollow and easy to dismantle but by granting you the attention associated with such debates, you're gifted a platform to infect others with this disgusting drivel.

"Diversity of thought is not something that is welcomed with open arms around here." You are subtly discriminating minorities and spread lies. You're allowed to do that, nobody persecutes you for that but you don't want to accept the opinion of others who are disgusted by you, hence you're trying to position yourself in the victim role again by pointing to a constitutional right that you don't want to gift others (free speech) although yours wasn't even harmed in the first place. Double standards at it's finest.
The right wing buzzword you are looking for is snowflake.
 

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You are confusing your own opinion with absolute truth. Find us an appropriate thread on this forum and we'll talk. I feel bad about hijacking the Trump thread for this long.
The stink of Shapiro in your posts are nauseating.
 

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What does left-right here mean again? Is it just about economic views? Cause ideally, this should have three dimensions: socialist-capitalist, anarchist-authoritarian (libertarian is just partial anarchy), closet-plains (no idea what would actually be the right words to talk about moral orientation). That last one is often missing, but if you don't have it, you can't explain very well why Evangelicals flock to the GOP en masse; or why social conservatives are willing to die (politically) on the abortion hill.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=-6.5&soc=-5.33

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Is great to see that the left has all the answers
so much that when someone asks a question or says something different, the leftist doesn't need to reply
they just laugh and mocks the questioner
if you ask something or say something that doesnt fit perfectly you are called racist, fascist and all the "ists" the left thinks they belong to them
and that's if you are lucky
some insults are a lot more personal, like someone saying he would happily throw me down a river
so, yes
maybe you have all the answers
pitty brexit, johnson, trump, bolsonaro
 

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i agree with you
but that proves that the left has stopped explaining why and started mocking the ones who ask questions
To be fair, if someone after these four years STILL support Trump then they are beyond help and deserve to be mocked. If someone is still in Trump’s corner they are NEVER going to change their minds no matter how you discuss or what sort of facts you present them with.
 

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To be fair, if someone after these four years STILL support Trump then they are beyond help and deserve to be mocked. If someone is still in Trump’s corner they are NEVER going to change their minds no matter how you discuss or what sort of facts you present them with.
Trump should have never won in the first place
but he clearly reached people that didnt see answers in the democratic party
i dont think that half of america is racist, against abortion and pro gun wackos

but at some point the left has lost contact with many people
 

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Trump should have never won in the first place
but he clearly reached people that didnt see answers in the democratic party
i dont think that half of america is racist, against abortion and pro gun wackos

but at some point the left has lost contact with many people
No, but closer to 40% probably are ;)

You’re talking about 2016 though - as you say, it was insane that he even won back then but you could *sorta* put that down to a reaction against the establishment etc. To support him still to this day, however, requires some serious intellectual and/or moral defect.
 

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No, but closer to 40% probably are ;)

You’re talking about 2016 though - as you say, it was insane that he even won back then but you could *sorta* put that down to a reaction against the establishment etc. To support him still to this day, however, requires some serious intellectual and/or moral defect.
that should be the case
i seriously doubt that trump will win again
 

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nope, but is left to lose against those, when that should have never have happened had the left not alienated so many people
Both the "left" and the "right" lose. It's the wealthiest population and rent-seekers who benefit under scum like Bolsonaro.

Also, alimentation swings in roundabouts, something Trump and Bolsonaro probably realize as they seek to manipulate election results and undermine democratic process.
 

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You are of course entitled to your own opinion on Merkel, if you are happy with the job she's doing, more power to you. I think she's an extremely talented politician who knows how to sit out a war, impose her will and get rid of opposition without getting her hands dirty. Her career path is paved with the corpses of ambitious politicians trying challenge her authority (Koch, Merz, Seehofer etc. etc.). She is very good at what she does, a silent assassin.

Merkel has an 88% approval rating according to state television surveys. Those are Honecker / Lukashenko numbers, not anything based in reality. Mainstream media are generally toeing the government line. Critical, independent journalism is scarce. This reminds me of the late 80's in East Germany. Opposing views are simply positioned as 'right wing' or 'anti-semitic' conspiracies, playing perfectly into the perpetual German post WW2 guilt, the stick to squash any notion of national pride and identity forever.

Merkel stands for less German autonomy, more EU, unsustainable immigration creating rising social, ethnic and religious tension as well as a massive burden on the country's social system - especially in the big cities. Taxes have been rising continuously for many years, bureaucracy and regulatory pressure is becoming a real problem for small business owners - you need permits for the most ridiculous things. The pension system is under water and living on borrowed time.

Then there's the unanswered question of German sovereignty. The country is still an occupied area and has been since WW1 - there never was a peace treaty, a prerequisite to regaining sovereignty. Germans don't even have a proper constitution, just a much weaker law book ("Grundgesetz"). That's another issue that will never be resolved under Merkel. It might not be important to you, to me it is. I believe more in sovereign nations than in handing over power to a bureaucratic, undemocratic and corporate-friendly power structure like the EU.

In short, Merkel's vision is one of a weak Germany and a strong EU. I don't share that vision at all.

Life is great in Germany if you're a government employee. Guaranteed income in good times and bad times and zero skin in the game. Higher-up's are treated and behaving like royalty, especially within politics or the German tax collection agency.
That's a horrible post and then some. Would not read again.
 

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Both the "left" and the "right" lose. It's the wealthiest population and rent-seekers who benefit under scum like Bolsonaro.

Also, alimentation swings in roundabouts, something Trump and Bolsonaro probably realize as they seek to manipulate election results and undermine democratic process.
i see the "rights" pretty happy with both Trump and Bolsonaro

Brazil had a very fine president with Lula Da Silva and then Dilma Rousseff

why did the brazilians finaly leaned towards a "homophobic, facist and evil piece of shit"? of course there must be a lot of answers to that but i bet that the left has a great responsibility
my POV is that the left started thinking that the answers were there and were unquestionable, so they got disonected with part of the population that swings it's vote
 

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i agree with you
but that proves that the left has stopped explaining why and started mocking the ones who ask questions
After a while it stops making sense. Do you think a leftist should debate a trump or bolsonaro fanatic? Why waste time? Why not mock what's clearly ridiculous.

Some debates make sense, other don't and mocking is apt.
 

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i see the "rights" pretty happy with both Trump and Bolsonaro

Brazil had a very fine president with Lula Da Silva and then Dilma Rousseff

why did the brazilians finaly leaned towards a "homophobic, facist and evil piece of shit"? of course there must be a lot of answers to that but i bet that the left has a great responsibility
my POV is that the left started thinking that the answers were there and were unquestionable, so they got disonected with part of the population that swings it's vote
Did you miss the part where corrupt judges supported by right wing extremists and corporations managed to exclude Lula from the elections when all the polls said he would win by a landslide had he run? How does the left have to answer for this?
 

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After a while it stops making sense. Do you think a leftist should debate a trump or bolsonaro fanatic? Why waste time? Why not mock what's clearly ridiculous.

Some debates make sense, other don't and mocking is apt.
You usually cannot debate any fantatics by nature since you can not agree on axioms for a start.
 

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After a while it stops making sense. Do you think a leftist should debate a trump or bolsonaro fanatic? Why waste time? Why not mock what's clearly ridiculous.

Some debates make sense, other don't and mocking is apt.
debating against a fanatic is pointless
but it's wrong to think that everyone that voted for them is a fanatic
 

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Did you miss the part where corrupt judges supported by right wing extremists and corporations managed to exclude Lula from the elections when all the polls said he would win by a landslide had he run? How does the left have to answer for this?
i did see that
that's why i would have not voted for bolsonaro, had i been brazilian
but that's not the case to everyone that voted for him
and i really don't know how the left should have answer for that
 

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nope, but is left to lose against those, when that should have never have happened had the left not alienated so many people
Time for this again, I suppose (not saying it's about you, to be clear).

 
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