Well those three links prove beyond doubt that the media has a huge campaign against Pep?
The Vertonghen and Herrera incident.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Exactly, and there were people on here wanting him to be captain, then they wonder when we bottle games.
You can’t raise your hands to another player, he grabs him by the neck
Didn't Zlatan do it to someone last season, and flung him a few yards too? It might have been the same game he was retroactively punished for that elbow, but I don't think they did anything about the grab/throw.
Zlatan also grabbed someone by the throat in the Europa League, with no further action.
Fernandinho is a perennial throat grabber, never gets done for it.
I doubt anything will come of it.
This kind of shit should not happen to a united player. We need an enforcer on the pitch.
It's funny looking at it from our side, we really don't see ourselves as media darlings, quite the opposite. Wonderful thing perspective.
And BT showed very few of them
Lift your hands it’s a red
Behave you lift your hands on a football pitch it’s violent conduct and he’s off.
We didn't get 1 replay of the incident. Even the commentators made a note of it that something had happened off the ball.
Compare that to the Ashley Young "elbow" and how many times that got replayed in the match, It's an absolute Joke.
I made a thread about TV companies using their power to dictate how things play out, and that's just another example. If he gets away with that
The tackle itself could have been a yellow, he came through the back of herrera and took him out.
Compare that to the Ashley Young "elbow" and how many times that got replayed in the match, It's an absolute Joke.
I made a thread about TV companies using their power to dictate how things play out, and that's just another example. If he gets away with that
The tackle itself could have been a yellow, he came through the back of herrera and took him out.
I dont want to jump on the 'if that was a united player' bandwagon but it is frustrating that they didnt highlight this during the game.
If Fellaini had done that i wonder what the reaction of those saying its nothing would be...
A+ hahahahahaha
But the raising of hands happens several times every game from multiple players. It has to be something excessive for it to be a red, otherwise there'd be 10 players getting sent off every game.
Yeah.. Let's get him banned for anfield
Terrible performance.
Terrible performance.
The ref was a puss that day. The moment the crowd got hostile and reacted to him giving us fouls, he chicken out on making the right calls.
The "you can't raise your hands" is not a rule, that's a phrase pundits have used for years despite being completely meaningless. It's excessive force or brutality or striking someone on the head or in the face. Excessive force or brutality is a bit vague alright but I'm not sure that incident really is an example of either.
Did I say they have a campaign against Pep? You were the one claiming that they have a campaign against us and won't ever criticise Saint Pep, I found those articles with 1 google search and suddenly you shift the goalposts.Well those three links prove beyond doubt that the media has a huge campaign against Pep?
That's because he struck him in the face (I'm not sure if the terms of violent conduct were also any different back then).
Law 12 on the FA's website.
VIOLENT CONDUCT
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
Not convinced any form of violent conduct can be used against Herrera without him rolling around on the floor making sure the ref knows about it.
Bit silly from Vertonghen considering that, but that's about it.
Bit silly from Vertonghen considering that, but that's about it.
Hmm we’ve seen Lukaku get emotional and react a bit stupidly. Vertonghen has here too but I don’t there’s enough to warrant a red card.
I particularly enjoyed at half time how Frank Lampard said that he didn’t mind that Kane being in Utd’s half at kick off was against the rules. Well as long as Frank doesn’t mind that’s alright.
I think the bigger issue is that when Young elbowed Tadic, we were forced to view that incident about 5 times. Whereas, we saw no replays of Vertonghen grabbing Herrera by the neck. Lets also not forget about the attempted murder of Bellerin by Pogba.
My question is why the feck didn't BT show this incident, at all?
Yeah, pretty much this. Why don't refs also allow players to be 1 yard offside. Once your two yards off, nah that's not allowed. Must be some leniency in the rules.
Pogba did his best WWE impression twice last season and got off scot-free on both occasions.
Drobga barely brushed Vidic's nose with his finger. Pretty sure Vidic would use more force to scratch his own nose. Yet that was a clear Red with no one arguing otherwise.
Vertonghen basically grabbed Ander by his throat and you think that is fine/not violent conduct?
Is it brutality or excessive force? Not sure it is, as I say if the ref had seen it I think he probably would/should have booked Vertonghen and told him to stop being an eejit.
It's just the narrative that every journo, ref and what not are conspiring against us for some unknown reason. I don't like it, it's rawkish looser mentality.
One thing is sure, i'm not implying more, we are a huge brand and will attract more attention than your average club. This enhances the positives and the negatives. Just my 2c
15 years ago if such conflict happened I'd laugh about thinking of any punishment. But since nothing developed out of it and Ander is not a crybaby just leave it. We won't get anything out of it, it's just Vertonghen ...
So if the incident for which Troy “cojones” Deeney was deemed as violent conduct then the FA should do the same tmwith this too. And it matters not a jot if you think it’s not cause the FA thought it was and if they want to be consistent then they should deem this as one too.
This and I'm not saying it cause it's Vertongen, it was off the ball, not malicious like a stamp, punch or headbut, just a bit of handbags. Shouldn't happen of course but we want players to show some passion and I doubt Herrera was passing a comment on how nice Verts' boots were.
There is a clear distinction in lifting hands to mark or grab a player of the ball to be fair
I personally didn't feel there was anything in that.
That is definitely red card worthy, but not in the PL if you know what I mean. In the PL they let players a 'freeby' when it comes to physical confrontation.
All this does in highlight how cnutish this Spurs side are; they get away with so much stuff and they don't even win anything to justify it. So they are just cnuts for doing it.
Remember the Alli challenge on Sanchez where he got nowhere near the ball and clearly just went for Sanchez' leg and kicked him. Utter cnut move, that he probably did because he's a former Arsenal player.
All this does in highlight how cnutish this Spurs side are; they get away with so much stuff and they don't even win anything to justify it. So they are just cnuts for doing it.
Remember the Alli challenge on Sanchez where he got nowhere near the ball and clearly just went for Sanchez' leg and kicked him. Utter cnut move, that he probably did because he's a former Arsenal player.
In the past, what Alli did was a straight red no questions asked. Remember Rooney vs West ham in 2014?
/watch?v=2tkwTu7J6jc
Ironically it wasn't because of the cynical nature of stopping an attack, but because aimlessly kicking another person without going for the ball was considered violent conduct. I vaguely remember they gave out that as an explanation at the time
/watch?v=2tkwTu7J6jc
Ironically it wasn't because of the cynical nature of stopping an attack, but because aimlessly kicking another person without going for the ball was considered violent conduct. I vaguely remember they gave out that as an explanation at the time
You can't seriously be claiming they're equivalent incidents? Deeney was booked at the time for the grabbing Allen round the neck and pushing another player over, he was banned because the referee hadn't seen that he was gouging Allen's face with his thumbs which was the red card offence.
Like Lloris possibly handling the ball outside the box. That was brushed under the carpet quietly
Oh come off it, they probably didn’t even see it or better yet they were focused on playing football. If it ended up in a brawl i think Smalling, Jones, Matic, Pogba, Lukaku etc could easily deal with them. We could always call Karate-Zlatan too for backup
