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Baghdad Bob
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Yes. And yes.Wait a minute, isn't OP the guy who really hates Mourinho? Something doesn't add up here.
Yes. And yes.Wait a minute, isn't OP the guy who really hates Mourinho? Something doesn't add up here.
He won 2 trophies for us in his first season. In the history of MUFC, no manager has ever won 2 trophies in his first season.I don't know. I think a more proactive manager would have us doing better. I just worry the game has passed Jose by.
Let's be honest, I haven't seen anything from the likes of Mikhi, Mata and Herrera this season that suggests they're doing well and lacks an attacking manager to make them better. If the only player is in the manager we would have seem glimpse of great plays from these players, which isn't happening, so let's be honest. Only Rashford and Martial will be improved by an offensively-minded manager but that's it.I don't know. I think a more proactive manager would have us doing better. I just worry the game has passed Jose by. And when you read last season about how Conte coaches attacking patterns(from Hazard himself) and Jose doesn't. It doesn't fill me with confidence.
But no I wouldn't say Emery is the best either. PSG are by far the best team in Ligue 1(though they've looked good in CL), and we'll see how they fare in the CL.
He won the Europa League and league cup. While trophies, they're not major ones.He won 2 trophies for us in his first season. In the history of MUFC, no manager has ever won 2 trophies in his first season.
Given the above, you concluded that Jose's a has been?
Don't disagree. Those 3 players are not good enough for a title winning team. But again this lies on the manager. He knew the squad he had. He had a season to evaluate.Let's be honest, I haven't seen anything from the likes of Mikhi, Mata and Herrera this season that suggests they're doing well and lacks an attacking manager to make them better. If the only player is in the manager we would have seem glimpse of great plays from these players, which isn't happening, so let's be honest. Only Rashford and Martial will be improved by an offensively-minded manager but that's it.
Don't disagree much with this. That's what Mourinho should be blamed for as I said in his assessment thread. He should have invested more in the squad this summer.Don't disagree. Those 3 players are not good enough for a title winning team. But again this lies on the manager. He knew the squad he had. He had a season to evaluate.
Most of us said our attack was a problem last season and we needed 2 strong additions. We just bought an Ibra replacement and thought it'd be alright.
Would other managers have been satisfied with Young/Darmian/Blind at LB too as well?
3 seasons to create a squad of players with some quality, and get the deadwood out. While getting us qualified for CL. Then most likely a new coach. Interesting to see how what the status is after the end of this season should we continue to play like this. Still think most fans wouldn't mind some Pochettino.Most people aren't calling for his head from what I've seen. I'm far from that. But there are MANY reasons to be upset with him or criticize him. He's useless at creating attacking play, which most people knew. He buys players who are effective up top and then organizes a defence and gets results. But what happens when you don't get that success that you seemingly sacrificed the play for? Upset fans is one.
I think Poch could take us to another level after Jose installed winning mentally and counter-attacking in United system. He won't improve Mihki, Mata or Herrea but he'll get rid of them and replace with academy graduate coming from youth and new player. If he has a vision for the team he wants to rebuild and make them play the way he wants then give him an unlimited chequebook, why not?? He could get Kane, Alii and Eriksen to play for him again at Manchester United cos we can offer them a wage.Which players will Poch be supposed to improve ? Mikhi, Mata and Herrera who are near 30 or Young, Valencia and Smalling ? We only have Rashford and Martial that he can develop let's be honest.
I'm looking forward for Poch to come here and realize Mikhi and Mata aren't Alli and Eriksen.
Not all players are great on their first season in the PL though. Di Maria was garbage for United. A lot of players need more than one season in the PL to come good. He is 23 so still time. I have my doubts about him but we will have to be patient unfortunately.Another way to look at it would be what players would another manager have signed? I.e spending £30m on a complete flop in Lindelof, that money could be spent elsewhere.
Whoever the manager our main problem is spending in the transfer market, we’ve spent so much fecking money and still have a shite squad.
You aren’t winning anything with the likes of Young, Lingard and Fellaini (admittedly been a bit better this year but still) starting most weeks.
Strawmans. Each document is insular.Once again who here has actually called for him to be sacked? Y"all love debating strawmens here.
I don't disagree much with wanting Poch here after Mourinho reign. Was just wanting we only have 2 or 3 attacking players that Poch can develop, the rest aren't performing because they're average/poor and you seem to agree with me saying he'll replace them. I'll blame Mourinho heavily if he doesn't get a new number 10 and RW next summer to fill these spaces.I think Poch could take us to another level after Jose installed winning mentally and counter-attacking in United system. He won't improve Mihki, Mata or Herrea but he'll get rid of them and replace with academy graduate coming from youth and new player. If he has a vision for the team he wants to rebuild and make them play the way he wants then give him an unlimited chequebook, why not?? He could get Kane, Alii and Eriksen to play for him again at Manchester United cos we can offer them a wage.
Martial, Pogba and Rashford have potential to be world class, its shame that they won't shive under Jose. They will shive if they were coached by a manager with attacking style
I'm looking at City and PSG then realized our squad is completely shit after spending the amount of money equal to City and PSG in 4 years, they are club exactly what we are supposed to be. We are the only club that can compete with them financially
Now I actually remembered that United is in transition at the moment, I don't want it to be fecked again after LVG and Moye. if he didn't build our squad to be really strong that are capable of beating top side away, then he got to go.
I am starting to dislike Mourinho because he keeps Mikhi as a starter every game when we can get a better player than him in that position. There is no competition in that position. Lingard is championship level and Mata is finished, it's not surprising there is no better player than Mihki cos they're all shit. So can we give Adian Barlow (attacking midfielder) a chance to replace Mihki? He's been impressing in UEFA Youth and under 18 EPL, he's playing in the same formation (4-3-2-1) as Jose's usual formation, he has 6 goals and 2 assist in just 10 games
T H I S. Couldn't have said it better myself. For the past couple of years I see individuals with little or no clue on the pitch. It's as if they are meeting just before the game, have a short chat and then are supposed to play a football match. And this begs the question: What is being done during the training sessions? Do they practice set pieces? I'd say no, because our corners are still atrocious, maybe they are practicing some linkup play? Don't think so. To be honest I am seriously baffled how these footballers are preparing themselves prior to the game(s).The one thing that is my big worry - and that is a BIG worry. I still don't see any real improvment in the way we play football. Yes, our results have been better - but that is mainly because we have better players than we had last season - we still don't look like a team. We have 11 individuals who often win football games because player by player - they usually are better than the opposition. But Mourinho still is nowhere near making a team that is better than the parts. And we are miles away from Manchester City.
Not me, I'm calmy either. I knew from the first, we are not challanging for a title and we went from 6th last season to 2nd currently, that's a massive achievement for us and know that Jose is not going to stay here for longer but I trust him with a chequebook to sign any player he wants than any mangers and rebuild our fecked up squad that LVG and Moye left them in mess.JM is one of the best managers in the world right now. Zidane for his exploits last season and Pep for his proven track record! Other than them 2 Jose is the only other world class manager who could handle a giant club and reputation like ours. Some would argue Pottechino but lets see him win some trophys before putting him in the leagues with above mentioned. Some may even argue Klopp but he isnt exactly setting Liverpool alight is he.
All in all Jose is the best possible manager we could of got and one who im sure the board trusts to take this club through this transition.
2nd in the league, in the knock out stages of the champions league I dont see what the problem is. People moan about out style of football but thats because Pogba is missing pr we would be playing the free flowinh attacking football we did at the start of the season.
I call for calm! Some of you are becoming very RAWKish!
That might work against the very best teams, and I mean the very best, but did we have a single counter attack today?Our style is to first and foremost nullify the opposition attacking threat, frustrate them and hit on a counter. With a striker who could actually hold the ball up, and a LW and RW who could get in behind instead of cutting inside, it would be a remarkably effective method.
Because we can’t do It doesn’t mean it’s not the style.That might work against the very best teams, and I mean the very best, but did we have a single counter attack today?
Poetically and beautifully put. We were spoilt under SAF. Time to move on. I think we're heading in the right direction under Mourinho, for what it's worth. We finished 6th last year so this season was never going to be without hiccups.Strawmans. Each document is insular.
Its not calling for his head its the general apathy towards a great manager because people can't get passed the issue. We had the greatest manager of all time. We all enjoyed it. Enjoyed him, loved him. We'll tell our kids about him. But the one true rival was the manager we have now. Let's meet him half way. He knows he's never gonna be SAF. Just like Zlatan will never be Cantona.
Let this team and manager grow into what they can be and you might see us become a Milan that batters the dream team 4-0.
Ok so we now have one person calling for him to be sacked.Mourinho out. Was a supporter of him initially but his constant negative vibe and barbs with other managers that constantly backfire are getting tedious. Can't help but feel that he's starting to stink out the place as well as throwing the players under the bus whenever we lose. Its never about him
His football while better than what Moyes and LVG is still negative when compared to the likes of pep. And dont give me the rubbish that the squad is unbalanced. He's had several windows and money on par wirh City to replenish the squad.
It proves that it's not the players but the way he has set it up and instructs them. It proves that he is not thinking of winning any of those games and confirms the observation of caftards that we don't even look like we want to score because of Mourinho's zero risk policy.11 games against the top 6 away from home without a win, and one goal in the last 10 games away from home against the top 6. Simply shocking and not good enough
Yes agree. We were discussing this in @Pogue thread on Friday. I think there was a poll "would you be happy with a draw" My take on it, I would be happy with a draw but only if we attempt to win the game. We dont do that. This was all predicatable before the match started. Shocking managementIt proves that it's not the players but the way he has set it up and instructs them. It proves that he is not thinking of winning any of those games and confirms the observation of caftards that we don't even look like we want to score because of Mourinho's zero risk policy.
That is fundamentally different to "oh but Fergie's teams also played ugly in those fixtures...".
Wouldnt mind seeing the back of him. He's persistantly negative for several matches now and trading barbs that backfire spectacularly. Add in throwing the players under the bus for every loss or draw, its never his fault. It's getting pretty tiresome and looking like his pre collapse at Chelsea before his sacking. The only reason why we're still in second is that our rivals have failed to kick on except for city and that we had a relatively easy start and oh, some luck.Ok so we now have one person calling for him to be sacked.
It proves that it's not the players but the way he has set it up and instructs them. It proves that he is not thinking of winning any of those games and confirms the observation of caftards that we don't even look like we want to score because of Mourinho's zero risk policy.
That is fundamentally different to "oh but Fergie's teams also played ugly in those fixtures...".
We didn’t play free flowing attacking football at the start of the season. We just scored quite a few goals. There’s a bit of difference there.JM is one of the best managers in the world right now. Zidane for his exploits last season and Pep for his proven track record! Other than them 2 Jose is the only other world class manager who could handle a giant club and reputation like ours. Some would argue Pottechino but lets see him win some trophys before putting him in the leagues with above mentioned. Some may even argue Klopp but he isnt exactly setting Liverpool alight is he.
All in all Jose is the best possible manager we could of got and one who im sure the board trusts to take this club through this transition.
2nd in the league, in the knock out stages of the champions league I dont see what the problem is. People moan about out style of football but thats because Pogba is missing pr we would be playing the free flowinh attacking football we did at the start of the season.
I call for calm! Some of you are becoming very RAWKish!