Klopp did come 2nd in the league and won the CL in his first 4 seasons.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Our biggest problems last year came from when teams pressed up high. Our midfielders are just not able to receive the ball under pressure. Thiago would help cure this issue.
Yes.
He hasn’t fully fulfilled his potential though, he could’ve been the next Paulo Roberto Falcão.
Do you actually read posts you reply to? Klopp finished 2nd in his 4th season, he won a CL in the same season. He never finished outside of top 10 like fergie did. No one ever is going to achieve what fergie did. But no sane person can look at what they achieved in their first 4 years incharge of the respective clubs and claim fergie had a better start.
Well, Pool is getting their money.
Indeed, indeed, indeed.
Then again, I'm 'I'll believe it when I see it' for all the big names we're supposedly in for this window.
They didn't have much choice.
This must be some sort of windup.
Klopp has just finished his fourth full season with us. He's won the CL and the league.
If you count the his half season as a season, then he won 'only' the CL, but his 97 point second place finish, 1 point of the top, was certainly more impressive than the 9 points Ferguson finished behind Liverpool in 88.
If Wijnaldum will be the reason that we won't have Thiago at Liverpool next season I'm gonna be mad at him for something he couldn't do anything about.
Difference being he doesn't want to sign a new contract that's why he is available. If there is a chance just get him in.
I don’t know why people are so sure about Wijnaldum, Sport who are very unreliable are the only source to say he’s agreed personal terms. All the other papers are saying ‘according to Spanish paper Sport...’ and secondly, Barca are skint and only offering €16 mill. Maybe Liverpool will take that.
In a funny way its worked for Bayern because they have such a strong squad that it suits them to have a player who is fine with being rested and subbed off regularly.
Could also work for Liverpool if they use him as a squad option, like they have with Oxlaide-Chamberlain. But it makes him risky as a first teamer, so I dont think it would be a good idea to sell Wijnaldum to pay for it, even if Thiago is the better player. Especially this season, which is going to be relentless and without a winter break.
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There is nothing to the reports that Wijnaldum to Barcelona is (close to) a done deal - yet, at least.
Keita has been pushing ahead of wijnaldum as it were. I think we will be moving towards more rotation either way (even though midfield is were we rotate the most) and Gini always struck me as someone who would move on the minute it looks like he is not established first choice. He wants to play.
I frankly don't believe a word from the Liverpool press these days. They will report whatever the club wants them to report. Which generally means deny deny deny, regardless of the situation.
I think Thiago is class but what I would say is they’ve been very different in how they’ve approached the Thiago situation than the Alaba one. They’re almost begging a team to pay the asking price with Thiago but with Alaba they’re trying to offer him a shed ton more money and seem desperate for him to stay.
Hmm fair enough yeah, they've been late to the party previous times in the last few seasons; it's usually a foreign well-informed source with the braking news then Joyce and Pearce lagging behind.
Why can’t we just bid now, while Wijnaldum is not yet sold? It may be too late afterwards
Because Liverpool have no intention of buying him for 30m when they can get him on a free in 4 months.
Its clear as day theyre trying to turn his head to the extent hes desperste to go, then say big bad Bayern are unreasonable and to wait for them.
The same shit they reportedly tried to pull with Werner by Klopp telling him to stay put and wait when its clear as day they cant afford him.
Liverpool arent relying on a 16m sale for a 30m purchase. Its not the case of having money to spend, its a choice of not to spend it.
No wonder his camp seems to be moving on
I suppose you'd know better than me, and its hard to judge since Keita had a few injuries in recent times, but still, he only had 9 starts last year so it doesn't feel like he's quite there yet. On the other hand Liverpool will need to take a few risks to avoid having a team that all ages at the same time so maybe that's a risk worth taking.
why is he for free in 4 month?
I guess bayern is fine with having him for another season.
Whichever club gets him will get a good 4 years out of him.
He has lost on average about 8 matches pr season over the last 5 years. That includes being ill, being left on the bench and suspensions. Hardly a concern
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Wijnaldum's move to Barcelona and thus Thiago's move to Liverpool seem inevitable now but surely we're planning on going for another midfielder if Fred is on his way? First Galatasaray and now Roma it's making me think that either we've made it clear to clubs that Fred is available or Fred's agent is pushing him for a move. I don't see a situation where we'd be happy to let Fred go (especially on Loan) unless we bring another midfielder in.
As genuinely exciting as this is, it's hard not to get reminded that Bayern don't sell players that are good enough to play for them.
I know his contract issue changes things a bit, but even so, id be cautious of any "top" payer they're willing to sell - especially when that player is moving to a stronger, faster and more gruelling league.
I know his contract issue changes things a bit, but even so, id be cautious of any "top" payer they're willing to sell - especially when that player is moving to a stronger, faster and more gruelling league.
Yeah that was my thoughts exactly
You guys happy with Thiago/Upamecano/Reguilon with out any RW/CF in this window?
Smalling(20)/Jones+Rojo(10)/Dalot(20)/Fred(30)/Romero(10)/Jesse(15)/Perrera(15)/=+120M
DVB(35)/Thiago(25)/Upamecano(40)/Reguilon(20) = -120
With zero budget we can do this.
Smalling(20)/Jones+Rojo(10)/Dalot(20)/Fred(30)/Romero(10)/Jesse(15)/Perrera(15)/=+120M
DVB(35)/Thiago(25)/Upamecano(40)/Reguilon(20) = -120
With zero budget we can do this.
Then might as well add Sancho to that
Personally think that he would end up being our third highest paid player behind Pogba & of course DDG,yes I know that sounds like too much to pay him but if we can get some more of the high wage earners off the bill
Depends if we can get a loan deal for a RW somewhere which could become a real possibility if things continue to go nowhere with Jadon
You assume we can actually sell all those players for those prices...
We'll be lucky to move Smalling to Roma for 10m at the speed we work....
This looked amazing until I found out it was fake. Don’t even think the best ever could do this (unless they did multiple takes and had incredible luck).
With all respect, that is an absurd lineup dude. That set up is risky when playing Fifa, never mind in real life.You can actually play Thiago, Pogba and Bruno, VDB in a midfield.
VDB, Fernandes, Rashford, Sancho and Martial all move around freely in attack with Thiago an Pogba sitting back spraying passes round.
In big big games, talking against the big teams you could play a 3-5-1-1 which seem strange but you could literally just swarm the opposition, keep the ball all game.
(If all targets were obtained, Upamecano / Sancho / Thiago)
Otherwise Shaw for Upamecano.
With seemingly the Upamecano & Sancho stuff dead in the water right now we should go and make this deal happen
So someone else told me. Shame #iwantobelieve
You would be crazy to play that line up against smaller teams never mind bigger teams dude. Absolutely no team in the world plays with so many attacking players like that set up.
Both of those players are available though. So let’s go and get them. It makes zero sense adding a 29 year old in their prime if we don’t have the other players needed to compete. What’s the point? We aren’t winning with him regardless and he’ll need replacing in 2/3 years. Now if Woody is going all out this summer then Thiago in addition to the others does make sense.
With respect, he looked more than ok in the CL final only a few weeks ago.
I'd disagree with that.
From what I could look up, he got 9 starts last season while Wijnaldum started 35. I'm open to moving on Wijnaldum on if it means getting Thiago as I think the midfield could do with some new blood, but Keita hasn't shown anything yet to suggest he's ready to be a regular starter.
Yeah and he has never been a guy that really relies on pace so don't see the faster league thing as an issue
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