Im not so sure the Scousers will buy him simply for the fact he would completely fk up their pay structure. I reckon he would want what 200? Or a lot anyway. How would Henderson on 110 or Trent on like 60 or the rest feel. 'Hey we won the friggin league + champs league and you bring this guy in on 200. what abut me!' We already screwed our wage structure up. Thats how we ended up giving Mata 150 and De Gea 350
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I mean they don't have a choice. They wanted to renew his contract but he wanted a new experience - I don't think any conclusions can be made from the fact that they've been forced to let him go?
I mean, why Man Utd doesn’t bid for him now, not Liverpool
Well DDG has certainly earnt that kind of wage more than Sanchez ever did,however will agree that it probably is still far too high.
In regards to Thiago I think he has earnt the right to be our third highest earner for what he has shown over 9 years at Barca & Bayern.
he will be the best or the second best player in our team - certainly there are grounds for him to become 3rd in wage level
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Thiago is quite obviously worth matching wages for. We can shift Lingard/Periera on and VDB himself has joined on good wages (120k a week). we shifted Sanchez on top and will likely push out more than 1 center back this window.
From a wages standpoint I think he should be within appetite.
From a wages standpoint I think he should be within appetite.
It's not really four months though. It's a year before he'll actually play a competitive game for us.
End of season, Wijnaldum looked very tame and Keita was basically our best midfielder.
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Makes sense if we haven't even approached the club.
And all our top players are a year older too by then. We need him now, next season. Not strengthening while on top will cost us in the long run, no doubt.
Yeah we have only approached his advisors which is the sensible thing to do in this situation
Pretty much, you should always strengthen from a position of strength and this is a deal far far far too good to pass up.
I wouldn't worry because there is no way you are gonna pass this deal up much as I want that to happen
Makes me wonder how people don't get the basics of defending.You can actually play Thiago, Pogba and Bruno, VDB in a midfield.
VDB, Fernandes, Rashford, Sancho and Martial all move around freely in attack with Thiago an Pogba sitting back spraying passes round.
In big big games, talking against the big teams you could play a 3-5-1-1 which seem strange but you could literally just swarm the opposition, keep the ball all game.
(If all targets were obtained, Upamecano / Sancho / Thiago)
Otherwise Shaw for Upamecano.
With that lineup, we would be slaughtered.
Think we’d win most games 9-7 tbh.
Yeah we wouldn't be playing all of them at the same time that's for sure. We would then be back to having no options off the bench again
Are you taking the piss hereYou can actually play Thiago, Pogba and Bruno, VDB in a midfield.
VDB, Fernandes, Rashford, Sancho and Martial all move around freely in attack with Thiago an Pogba sitting back spraying passes round.
In big big games, talking against the big teams you could play a 3-5-1-1 which seem strange but you could literally just swarm the opposition, keep the ball all game.
(If all targets were obtained, Upamecano / Sancho / Thiago)
Otherwise Shaw for Upamecano.
?Where is Messi?You can actually play Thiago, Pogba and Bruno, VDB in a midfield.
VDB, Fernandes, Rashford, Sancho and Martial all move around freely in attack with Thiago an Pogba sitting back spraying passes round.
In big big games, talking against the big teams you could play a 3-5-1-1 which seem strange but you could literally just swarm the opposition, keep the ball all game.
(If all targets were obtained, Upamecano / Sancho / Thiago)
Otherwise Shaw for Upamecano.
Well yeah, when the league was more or less won, many of the first teamers looked a bit tame and tired, and it wouldn’t have too difficult to look better, even though I must admit I’m struggling to remember Keita playing as well as you suggest.
Looks like his advisors have said sorry guys but he is only interested in joining Liverpool. Well at least if it all gets sorted in next couple of days we can all move on very quickly
As you can see, pretty sure lot of players can do what Rodri is doing. Have my doubts on how many can do it like Thiago there.
Couldn't agree more. VdB gives us options with Pogba and Bruno, and he will be happy to bide his time to become a starter.
As much as I would love Thiago with us, he would only be an option imo if we were to sell Pogba. Not happening.
You can sign him on a free though? Its like waiting for Keita, just with an understanding instead of signed contracts
Its the only thing that makes sense to me. It explains why you have agreed wages and Utd thinks its too high due to Liverpool having no intention of paying 30m in the first place.
It makes more sense than Liverpool needing 16m to fund a 30m signing imo.
Crazy to read "his only choice is Liverpool". 5 years ago that would be laughable. Granted they've always been a big club, but Klopp's impact is something else.
Pre contract. Due to the longer version of this window, the end of this window isnt far off the Jan window. Liverpool can drag this out then bluff it about coming back soon so just wait for us, its only 8 odd weeks. Then get him on the pre contract and tell Bayern accept this small fee or lose him for free.
The more I write about this, the more it makes financial sense.
It makes zero sense, Thiago has his heart set on leaving right now, he invited his family for a goodbye tour in the Allianz Arena, has been looking into living in NW England, wants a new challenge now, ... It's the perfect time to leave Bayern after winning the treble.
We have agreed wages because we want him now. If we weren't interested in bringing him in now, we wouldn't have bothered to negotiate with Bayern anyway. We're just haggling over the €30m because we know that Thiago wants to leave and Bayern wants to sell, but Bayern also know that so that could lead to a stand-off.
As for needing €16m to fund a €30m transfer, that's confirmed nowhere and probably also not true at all. We're not short on money, our owners are just unwilling to invest it.
I think it's more likely the case that the suits are massively overcomplicating this and think this is a game of 4D poker where they can't give anything away about anything regarding the blatantly obvious transfers of Thiago in and Gini out, lest we end up losing out on a fiver in the end.
Maybe he was a VdB alternative
You had to make him an offer to turn his head in the first place. I'm sure Klopp wants him, and I'm just as sure your board wants him, too..next year as a free agent.
'hurry up and pay the money'
Chances we are actually in for him are really really low.
Chances we are actually in for him are really really low.
Oh well
Lets hope those discussions go longer but considering how efficient at transfers they are then think that is highly unlikely to happenOh well
Maybe there is some truth in him being willing to take a lower wage offer from Liverpool than us
How often does a transfer in football happen the year after if it didn't go through the first time around? I've read it countless times that "they will be back in for him next summer" and it barely ever comes to fruition. There is too much noise and confirmation by reliable journalists that there are genuine discussions ongoing right now and that we want to bring him in right now, otherwise we'd simply be hearing that we don't wanna pay a transfer fee for him at all.
And if I'm Thiago, I'm also thinking "feck Liverpool if they don't even wanna pay this meager €30m fee for me while I'm desperate for a new challenge right now, not next year."
Liverpool will get him. Move on.
Bruno Fernandes, Ander Herrera. There are many that comes to mind.
We'll be all smarter by this weekend, when we know if Rummenigge's expected bid did come in or not.
Yeah the sooner they make that offer we can move on to realistic targets although those are looking a bit sparse right now
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