Jesus. How many times, i am not blaming awb.
When he gets involved someone else has to realise matic is 1v1 and work back.
Someone else.
Someone else.
It is not awb fault
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When he gets involved someone else has to realise matic is 1v1 and work back.
Someone else.
Someone else.
It is not awb fault
Normally it´s Bissaka or Shaw, or sometimes James when he´s playing. I´m sure Tuanzebe was supposed to be in the box.
you’re repeating yourself now.
And you still dont appear to be understanding when you had to qualify your last post with saying awb was way down the list.
I know he is, i didnt blame him. You made that up
Calm down divvyDid you even watch the match. DeGea wasn’t playing. Love how our players get so much shit by these analyst fans
1) I admitted to the mistake
2) I was merely pointing that the guy that can see the whole pitch might have spotted an issue
3) I literally mentioned everybody in the stadium that might have spotted it and maybe could have done something about it
4) Imagine this is what you have an issue with when you see this
Love how our posters can’t analyse a simple thread before being a shithead.
How can I blame poor coaching? When a mistake is constantly repeated and not corrected is due to coaching. If the player is unable to follow the simple instructions then the coach should substitute the player.
Dont get me wrong, even sunday league players should be better at positioning but there's no way Ole can be let off the hook for this.
1) Attacking the poster now too?
2) I realised you spotted it after I made my post
C) typical fans on here being tactical masters but don’t even know who’s playing.
Without being corrected, later down the line you would ‘remember’ when we conceded that goal and Dave didn’t even shout at his defence. No wonder our players get so much shit. For what it’s worth I thought lindelof was shocking for that goal too.
sorry I hurt your feelings, fecking divvy
Anyone who responds with multiple laughing smilies is allowed to be insulted. Unwritten rule.
You’re not well suited to a forum like this mate. You should find somewhere else to let off steam.
So what you're saying is... AWB should have worked back? Got it.
While simultaneously trying to cross the ball into the box for luke shaw to bury a header in the top bins
Jeez, why do you hate AWB so much?
Really? I thought the mistake and how sensitive you was about it quite funny.
its clearly got to you and for that I’m sorry.
People choosing to be a dick about the poster when there’s plenty to talk about otherwise gets to me, because it’s so prevalent all over the internet and it makes it incredibly tiring.
Come on mate you made a thread about something that happened in a game but didn’t even know who the keeper was. I found it funny, sorry I laughed at you.
It was a mistake which I owned up to and laughed at. The contents of the thread were unrelated to who the keeper was anyway.
I apologise for name calling though.
Truce
Aye x
Because he did the dirty on his side piece with a 3rd piece. If he can juggle 3 birds he can surely be last man back while crossing at the same time
The worse defensive set up I think I’ve ever seen at professional level.
1. AWB should not have got involved in it. He got involved because he hung about outside their box. He should have sprinted back to his position.
2. Even when he got involved he had options open to him. (1) pass it back to Matic. (2) pass it sideways to Bruno and (3) put in a cross. He did neither. He decided to take on their defence on the outside while everyone apart from Matic is in front of him or level with him. He then fecked his cross. This was what led to the break. It was a clearance up field.
I was talking more about the game overall, and I agree that this one moment was just a ridiculously poor moment. But again, that reflects back to the manager. As the saying goes, the team is a reflection of the man in charge.
I do think we have decent consistency when we're in our element as underdogs with a counter approach. We seem to be uncomfortable with taking the game to the opposition, which is clearly something Ole struggles to resolve. But that doesn't mean he's failed mind you.
I remember talking with you about this issue last season, about how far Ole could take us and how proactive we should be in considering his replacement., and while you always gave very good points, I was still for replacing him at the end of the season. This is why. We simply don't seem to be improving with regards to taking the game to the opponent, and despite us being very dangerous at a counter game to Ole's credit, if he's not able to improve the other side of it then we have to quickly move on and build on what he started.
Like I said, Ole hasn't failed per se. In fact, it's us who have failed to see quickly enough that he seems to have taken us as far as he can, and replace him swiftly. And as for Ole, there's no shame in that. But I don't think more time will solve anything; in fact, more time is liable to make things worse at this stage.
Yeah managers are just not responsible for anything.
If we win its Ole, if we lose its the players. Classic.
I'm not yet convinced that Ole has taken us as far as he can, and i can't agree right now that this team is a reflection of the manager. What i will say is that it is getting more and more difficult to refute the arguments of people such as yourself. I want to be clear on this - I've always respected the opinion of posters that can put together a reasoned argument, the 'toys out of the pram every week' 'want us to lose' brigade can still do one.
I'm at the point now where I'm weighing up where to lay blame for all of this. I dont buy that Ole and team are bad at coaching. There's simply too much evidence to the contrary. My issue now is regarding the culture within this squad. I thought it was moving forwards but now I think its clear that it isn't. Too many mistakes. Too much inconsistency. Something is rotten, as it was under Jose. It hasn't been solved.
So what to do? If there are rotten eggs then they should have been removed by now. If they haven't been then that's a failure of the management. Thats where my conflict lies right now. I honestly don't know what to think. We have precious little information to make an informed judgement.
The two goals we conceded against Istanbul wasn’t constantly repeated against Newcastle, PSG, RB Leipzig, Chelsea & Arsenal. Those 5 games we were solid defensively, so can’t be just lazy argument again of poor coaching. Not coincidence isn’t it, happened when we played Fred or Scott in midfield, midfield who does his the basic thing what midfield supposed to do, follow your man.
That's a fair point but still think he is going to get sacked at some point this season but won't be for ages yet
Doesn't that again just show our total reliance on individual abilities which again is hindering us?
We know Fred or Scott are always concentrating and alert in the basic -- follow your man and backtrack sensing danger.
The others not really and it showed.
And so again showcasing the poor coaching or lack of it?
It definitely question the manager's poor ability in decisions makings.
If he knows his players are like this dense as hell, and then opt to not play either one of Fred/McT to cover their shits, then we will concede this kind of shit goals easily. Surely if he knows about his players about this, then he will coach/teach the players to always be alert, and since we're seeing the shit defending, clearly it didn't work hence poor coaching. Even worse is if he doesn't know about this at all so zero coaching.
Following your man is basic thing to do for every midfielders supposed to do. This is not a specific ability that only certain individual can have. This is the basic thing that every players & including midfielders should and must do, not ball watching, wingers follow the full backs, midfielders follow the other opposition midfielder, and etc. So no, this doesn't show our total reliance on individual. Unless if the player is being instructed not to track back his man then I can understand but you are going to have a laugh if a manager will say that to defensive midfielder like Matic. He's not attackers like Ronaldo or Messi ffs.
Your logic also just doesn't make any sense, a defensive midfielder who doesn't sense a danger? Like really? Is that even acceptable to put the player in the category as defensive midfielder?
Resting McT & Fred for the Everton game is reasonable. That's not about manager's decision making to pick the wrong players. Players should not be ball watching, it's fundamental in football and they are getting paid above 100k p/w. Blaming coaching for struggling to break the team down is one thing but to actually use coaching excuses for those two goals conceded is non-sense.
It should be a coaching issue. Surely you leave at least 2 of the smallest defenders/midfielders you have around the halfway line and at least 1 more between the penalty box and halfway line to cover a short or long ball clearance. The only other thing you could envisage is that the team have stopped listening to coaching and do their own thing. One of the players was reported to have told someone in the press the coaching is very basic. Its all about stamina and fitness.
I have said this many times. When we are defencding split Martial and Rashford so one goes wide left of centre circle and the other goes right. One this would mean the opposition would leave 3-4 defenders back all the time. This would feck up the teams with attacking full backs or two we could win the ball and fire it over the top either side hoping Martial/Rashford would win it. Even better if we left all 3 attackers upfield we would virtually nullify all attacks as more opposition players would have to stop back. You would end up with 8 v 6, 8 v 5 something like that.
In light of this match actually being really important in the end, I'm left wondering how on earth we ever conceded this goal.
Surely one of the worst goals ever to concede in the CL?