Thomas Tuchel confirmed as PSG's new manager

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The first comment is not surprising given the second bolded comment. A lot of German posters rate him highly because he did very well with that Dortmund squad after Klopp left and the way they have declined after he left is a testament to how well he did the previous season (3rd, DFB Cup win and an unlucky UCL quarterfinal exit after having 3 of his best players sold, without his approval).
Yep, I started rating Tuchel myself only after seeing Bosz and Stoeger in action. To win a German cup and make Dortmund play that well, I'd rate him. But the way his side lost so naively to Klopp's Liverpool in the EL rankles for me.

Still, this is another interesting appointment. PSG as a project are sure fascinating if not successful on their terms yet.
 

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Hmm, yeah that's why I had to explain why I'm not sure about the hype. The things that he achieved that you mentioned are impressive, but I have a feeling PSG will require more than that. PSG is gunning for a manager to win the UCL. He already has an impressive PSG squad and not in decline and a huge budget. So if you reckon that Tuchel is the man to handle the big egos in the squad and handle the pressure of bringing UCL glory to PSG, then good on him and the board.
That is the only concern I have with Tuchel, his authoritative approach was actually a problem with the Dortmund hierarchy and ultimately lead to his sacking (along with him falling out with some senior, underperforming, players). I said in another thread that it would be better for PSG to sell Neymar since he seems a bad influence in the dressing room with his 'bigger than the club' mentality, they can use that money to improve the squad and can also help build a better team ethic.

As a tactician, he's done really well at Mainz and Dortmund so I don't think he lags in that regard, it's handling the egos in the dressing room where I think he may struggle.
 

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That is the only concern I have with Tuchel, his authoritative approach was actually a problem with the Dortmund hierarchy and ultimately lead to his sacking (along with him falling out with some senior, underperforming, players). I said in another thread that it would be better for PSG to sell Neymar since he seems a bad influence in the dressing room with his 'bigger than the club' mentality, they can use that money to improve the squad and can also help build a better team ethic.

As a tactician, he's done really well at Mainz and Dortmund so I don't think he lags in that regard, it's handling the egos in the dressing room where I think he may struggle.
I'd actually think Ancellotti would be a better fit, seeing that he has experience handling huge stars in his career at Milan, Chelsea and Madrid. And the fact that he is a cup specialist helps too. I'm sure PSG will have no problems winning the league again, so his track record in cup competitions would be handy in the UCL.
 

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I'd actually think Ancellotti would be a better fit, seeing that he has experience handling huge stars in his career at Milan, Chelsea and Madrid. And the fact that he is a cup specialist helps too. I'm sure PSG will have no problems winning the league again, so his track record in cup competitions would be handy in the UCL.
They already had Ancelotti. He also failed to win the league during one season and they didn’t do anything of note in the champions league.
 

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I'd actually think Ancellotti would be a better fit, seeing that he has experience handling huge stars in his career at Milan, Chelsea and Madrid. And the fact that he is a cup specialist helps too. I'm sure PSG will have no problems winning the league again, so his track record in cup competitions would be handy in the UCL.
If I remember correctly he already managed them and couldn't take them far in the UCL then as well, plus his reputation may have taken a hit after his disastrous season with Bayern.
 

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They already had Ancelotti. He also failed to win the league during one season and they didn’t do anything of note in the champions league.
If I remember correctly he already managed them and couldn't take them far in the UCL then as well, plus his reputation may have taken a hit after his disastrous season with Bayern.
:lol::lol:

What a brain fart. Completely forgotten about his stint in PSG. :lol: Must have been one hell of an un-memorable spell.
 

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Tuchel is a solid coach, PSG will play good football. But will they beat the likes of Bayern or Real in a CL semifina with him at the helm? I don't think so
Well in his first season under Dortmund he lost the domestic cup final to Bayern on penalties and in his second and last he knocked them out on the way to winning it, so its not like he hasn't beaten them before
 

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Dont get the hate on here. Managers change and improve, just like players. If Tuchel takes the next step, it could get exciting. He has worked well with Dembele, so i am curious to see what he can do with Mbappe. I am also excited for Verratti, i think he has finally a manager to fullfil his true potential if he is ambitious enough.

And for the notion of better managers available, only Allegri. Allegri is a winner and tactician, but not that exciting in terms of style. Klopp, Pep and Mou are not on the market. Jardim is not better and unavailable too. Capello is past it and Ancelotti was there already.
 

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I thought Emery came out recently and spoke about he couldn’t lead the dressing room as there was minimal respect for him as he’s not won anything “major” in his career yet?

Of course it could also just be that his personality wasn’t strong enough - and Neymar and the likes are way too powerful in that setup to take anyone seriously. But I don’t see how TT will command any more respect from that dressing room?

At least it will be fun to watch - either way.
 

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Emery is closer on the pragmatic end of the spectrum of managers and he isn't one that gets tough with players. In Sevilla he relied a lot of the leaders in the dressing room to manage the team hierarchy for themselves. Despite all his passion on the sideline he is not a person that is particularly assertive.
Tuchel is the complete opposite. He is obsessed with tactics, detail and how the team plays. He also commands, that every player follows his ideas.
Its always hard to say how a team responds to different types of managers. Yet PSG already tried the likes of Emery or Ancelotti, who allow the players alot more freedom. A team that is so dominant in their league, might benefit from a manager, who pushes them to the limit even when they are not pressured by the competition.
Imo PSG made a sensible decision, but we'll have to wait and see if those players buy into Tuchel's approach. If not, things could turn bad fast.
 

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:lol::lol:

What a brain fart. Completely forgotten about his stint in PSG. :lol: Must have been one hell of an un-memorable spell.
It was memorable, he kind of built the team and was doing fairly well at the exception of the first 6 months where Kombouaré was sacked at the end of December while sitting first, the team subsequently lost the title to Montpellier.
 

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Well in his first season under Dortmund he lost the domestic cup final to Bayern on penalties and in his second and last he knocked them out on the way to winning it, so its not like he hasn't beaten them before
Irrelevant. Domestic cup and CL are 2 completely different competitions.

PSG dominates Ligue 1 as it is now. Tuchel was brought in to win the Champions League. I'm not sure he's got the right profile to help them achieve that. I would have gone for a more "cynical" manager that perhaps didn't produce as good football over the course of a season, but could put together a plan to scrape a winning result over 180 minutes with the European heavyweights.
 

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Irrelevant. Domestic cup and CL are 2 completely different competitions.

PSG dominates Ligue 1 as it is now. Tuchel was brought in to win the Champions League. I'm not sure he's got the right profile to help them achieve that. I would have gone for a more "cynical" manager that perhaps didn't produce as good football over the course of a season, but could put together a plan to scrape a winning result over 180 minutes with the European heavyweights.
And that's where you are mistaken. It's very important for the owners that the team play good football, it's also very important for the fans. IIRC, under Ancelotti there was a rumour that the owner was upset because people said that the team was boring.
 

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Never thought this will come true, as I didn't think PSG owners would give this team too a manager which is not a big name. Apparently, even PSG sporting director Antero Henrique wasn't for this appointment (from some reports that I've read), so I'm even more surprised. It might not work, but it is a bold, progressive move with the clear vision what they want in terms of playing style.
As for players responding to him, it doesn't matter if he won much or not (like Ancelotti in Bayern), it will mostly depend whether the players feel the manager improves them and takes them to right direction as always.
I like him a lot, so I'm happy he didn't go Chelsea/Arsenal route.

Rather than splurging hefty cash for player transfer, they should use it to approach a better proven managers.

Lots of there better than Tuchel. Pep, Mou, Klopp, Jardim, Allegri, Ancelotti, Capello, and so on.

And why dont they aporoach Wenger. He is one of the best France manager and you will get him for free.
Arrigo Sacchi is also available.
 

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And that's where you are mistaken. It's very important for the owners that the team play good football, it's also very important for the fans. IIRC, under Ancelotti there was a rumour that the owner was upset because people said that the team was boring.
PSG's squad is sooo much better and deeper than any other French teams, that even the most cynical catenaccio exponent would have them winning games comfortably. Qatar wants to win a CL before the Emirati's in Manchester do. It's all PR on a geopolitical scale.
 

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PSG's squad is sooo much better and deeper than any other French teams, that even the most cynical catenaccio exponent would have them winning games comfortably. Qatar wants to win a CL before the Emirati's in Manchester do. It's all PR on a geopolitical scale.
I don't understand what you fail to understand. The PR is supposed to sell excitement and shed a positive light on Qatar, they don't want to win for the sake of winning, they don't give a damn about that. They want to win with style, the style component is crucial in that publicity, they are not like the other big clubs who wants to be associated with success in order to bring money, they want to be associated with excitement. If you play cattenaccio you will be sacked within days.
 

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He’s not that highly rated in Germany anyway.. well to be fair my source of information is coming from mainly Dortmund fans.
 

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This is a doomed appointment if I ever did see one. I'd be surprised if he lasted the season. He'll be at Bayern for the start of the 2019/2020 season.
What makes you say that? I reckon Tuchel will allow some players (like Neymar) some privileges as long as they perform (like he did with Aubameyang) and win the rest of the squad over when they see that his football and his instructions work out well for them.

It's only over time that the problems might creep in, when players and management might get tired by his personality.

He’s not that highly rated in Germany anyway.. well to be fair my source of information is coming from mainly Dortmund fans.
That's not true at all. I think few if any doubt his ability, it's his personality that caused problerms at Mainz and Dortmund.
 

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What makes you say that? I reckon Tuchel will allow some players (like Neymar) some privileges as long as they perform (like he did with Aubameyang) and win the rest of the squad over when they see that his football and his instructions work out well for them.

It's only over time that the problems might creep in, when players and management might get tired by his personality.



That's not true at all. I think few if any doubt his ability, it's his personality that caused problerms at Mainz and Dortmund.
And that's why he'll be out of a job before the end of the season.

Neymar already does what he wants anyway, you start giving him and other 'special' talents free reign then the lunatics run the asylum. How is that fair to the rest of the squad who come to training on time and work their arse off to get into the team?

He's going to create a divide between his perceived favourites and the rest of the squad that will cause bitterness and resentment. I think he's taken this job because he see's it as a way to get some quick and easy silverware and move on to another club in a couple of seasons, I just can't see it happening though.
 

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And that's why he'll be out of a job before the end of the season.

Neymar already does what he wants anyway, you start giving him and other 'special' talents free reign then the lunatics run the asylum. How is that fair to the rest of the squad who come to training on time and work their arse off to get into the team?

He's going to create a divide between his perceived favourites and the rest of the squad that will cause bitterness and resentment. I think he's taken this job because he see's it as a way to get some quick and easy silverware and move on to another club in a couple of seasons, I just can't see it happening though.
Not really, the divide is a fact and it comes El Khelaifi who has his favorites. On that point, Ancelotti, Blanc, Tuchel and Emery are in the exact same boat. Also it's Henrique's job to fix these things and control the locker room.
 

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I don't understand what you fail to understand. The PR is supposed to sell excitement and shed a positive light on Qatar, they don't want to win for the sake of winning, they don't give a damn about that. They want to win with style, the style component is crucial in that publicity, they are not like the other big clubs who wants to be associated with success in order to bring money, they want to be associated with excitement. If you play cattenaccio you will be sacked within days.
It's not that hard.But I feel that no matter how much I explain to you you won't get it (or accept it) so let's just leave itat that.
 

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Irrelevant. Domestic cup and CL are 2 completely different competitions.

PSG dominates Ligue 1 as it is now. Tuchel was brought in to win the Champions League. I'm not sure he's got the right profile to help them achieve that. I would have gone for a more "cynical" manager that perhaps didn't produce as good football over the course of a season, but could put together a plan to scrape a winning result over 180 minutes with the European heavyweights.
PSG are building a brand. The image is as important to them as anything and they want to be considered in the bracket of the Spanish giants. The way they play and more importantly, the way they are perceived is as important to them as winning. Whether you think that's daft or not is another question but that's how a lot of these big clubs think nowadays.
 

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It's not that hard.But I feel that no matter how much I explain to you you won't get it (or accept it) so let's just leave itat that.
You are explaining nothing. You just decided to ignore a crucial part of the owner's wishes, for a reason that you really couldn't explain even if you tried. The situation is simple, they want to win with style and they won't compromise.
 

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That is the only concern I have with Tuchel, his authoritative approach was actually a problem with the Dortmund hierarchy and ultimately lead to his sacking (along with him falling out with some senior, underperforming, players). I said in another thread that it would be better for PSG to sell Neymar since he seems a bad influence in the dressing room with his 'bigger than the club' mentality, they can use that money to improve the squad and can also help build a better team ethic.

As a tactician, he's done really well at Mainz and Dortmund so I don't think he lags in that regard, it's handling the egos in the dressing room where I think he may struggle.
Funny enough you could argue the guys he had no problems with were the (super)stars and difficult/extravagant characters like Reus, Dembele, Aubameyang or Mkhitaryan. His downfall was that he identified the CEO´s favourite pets as being washed up rats (Schmelzer/Sahin). 12 months later everything Tuchel thought about their footballing quality and character was proven correct. Probably like most coaches he plays nice with the best players and the best talents, and he can´t spend 24/7 cuddling fringe players he thinks cannot help advance the team and should be sold.

The season Dortmund had vindicated Tuchel at many levels. Look at how difficult it is for United to right their ship after SAF. Klopp was in Dortmund for a very long time, too. Tuchel made the transition look seemless despite switching from allout pressing to a multi-varied system and a roster overhaul. Now you see a real shitshow in Dortmund with no Klopp and no Tuchel. And it´s not like Dortmund face stiff competition in the Bundesliga either. They should walk into 2nd place given their financial superiority to the other clubs.
 

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First CL campaign with PSG - crashing out in R16 and not even knowing the rules of the game. Not the best start if anyone asks me.
 

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Ole should have ran up to him at fulltime and did this in the Twats face.