Not surprised he was sacked this season given his attitude in the preseason. I even predicted he would be in the season prediction thread. Just surprised that it was this soon as he has barely had a couple of matches with the ton of new players they have now.
Thomas Tuchel | Gone to & from Bayern (In Summer)
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Surprising but he seems to be tactical guy with extremely poor men management skills.
You have to be a complete package to be a great coach and he is missing very important piece. Can it be learned? Perhaps as he seems like intelligent dude but he also seems like an asshole on occasions. People don't wanna play for assholes.
You have to be a complete package to be a great coach and he is missing very important piece. Can it be learned? Perhaps as he seems like intelligent dude but he also seems like an asshole on occasions. People don't wanna play for assholes.
I think it isn’t just the results. I think it was the problems he was creating behind the scenes mid window, and the fact that he simply didn’t fit some players.
Mount is getting his new contract done RIGHT now. So, I would imagine that the formations Tuchel keeps trying to shove down our throats not having a place for Mount’s position certainly doesn’t help.
Playing Mount as one of two 6’s yesterday felt like a giant middle finger, like “you want him to play? There you go.”
This was always going to happen. I thought it would be closer to the WC break, but there we are.
Mount is getting his new contract done RIGHT now. So, I would imagine that the formations Tuchel keeps trying to shove down our throats not having a place for Mount’s position certainly doesn’t help.
Playing Mount as one of two 6’s yesterday felt like a giant middle finger, like “you want him to play? There you go.”
This was always going to happen. I thought it would be closer to the WC break, but there we are.
Feck...
You're very naive to think that Tuchel had nothing to do with Aubamayang going to Chelsea
Global radio stations saying Brighton have given them permission to talk to Potter - sounds like preparations must have been under way for a while so it's odd they let him splurge all that money just a few days ago... mind you one of those was Cucurella so I hope he didn't upset Potter on the way out otherwise he's going to be playing with the reserves for a while ha ha
Please take him Chelsea and solve all our problems.
Don't think he will ever leave unless if he's sacked. He said it before that he would die for Leicester.
Thankfully no.
That was reported quite a while ago now.
Wouldn't say its knee jerk.
New owner wants his own man in the role. Understandable.
Don't do it Potter - stay with Griffindor
Five weeks into the season having spent over £250m together. Baffling.
I honestly got the feeling that most of those signings were boehly calling the shots.
The man has been racking up the airmiles this summer. Probably bumped into Murtough a few times
If Potter says no (I think he'll say "yes"), I wonder if they'll think of Thomas Frank
I doubt it - Murtough blocked booked his double room in barcelona for a month and never seemed to leave! (joke)
Would he really have spent ~£160M on defenders that would let them play a back 3 though? That feels like a Tuchel call to be honest.
Tuchel going on that rant about how 1-0 should “be good enough!”… was enough to do it for me.
Our entire team looks so afraid of making a mistake, they enter every transition and possession looking negative.
If we had a 2 on 2 break you would see our players sheepishly playing the ball backward so everyone could catch up.
Rather than coming up with ideas to allow good players to flourish, he’s been putting them in positions to fail: RLC as a lone 6? Mount playing as one of a double 6?
It’s like he thought if you made a enough 3 foot passes sideways that you could eventually move the ball into net for that “one necessary goal” by sheer inertia of players stacked behind players.
We were playing with zero joy, and zero ideas. That, in addition to causing issues behind the scenes… he had to go.
Our entire team looks so afraid of making a mistake, they enter every transition and possession looking negative.
If we had a 2 on 2 break you would see our players sheepishly playing the ball backward so everyone could catch up.
Rather than coming up with ideas to allow good players to flourish, he’s been putting them in positions to fail: RLC as a lone 6? Mount playing as one of a double 6?
It’s like he thought if you made a enough 3 foot passes sideways that you could eventually move the ball into net for that “one necessary goal” by sheer inertia of players stacked behind players.
We were playing with zero joy, and zero ideas. That, in addition to causing issues behind the scenes… he had to go.
Right on schedule, he's at two and a half really so bit early, but typically the third season is when he's on the outs. I guess it's not just the circus at PSG that can get the great Thomas Tuchel sacked.
I heared Tuchels prefered players did not get signed and the club got players in he didn´t want.
Especially with Tuchels Character this can only go wrong. There are others who will deal with this situation just fine, Tuchel will never be able to work in an environment were he doesn´t have a big say in the signings.
My personla opinion is, that as soon it becomes clear that players are coming in he doesn´t want, he starts sulking and is not willing to bring the same lvl as before.
The club should know this from his past clubs, if they did, they chose to do this anyway and therefor were prepared to let him go super fast.
Especially with Tuchels Character this can only go wrong. There are others who will deal with this situation just fine, Tuchel will never be able to work in an environment were he doesn´t have a big say in the signings.
My personla opinion is, that as soon it becomes clear that players are coming in he doesn´t want, he starts sulking and is not willing to bring the same lvl as before.
The club should know this from his past clubs, if they did, they chose to do this anyway and therefor were prepared to let him go super fast.
Just heard the news as I've been working under a rock all day.
WTF !
WTF !
If ever a club deserved for a decision to backfire it is Chelsea. But sadly, they'll somehow end up winning something this season with a new manager - then sack him partway into next season - rinse - repeat
Boehly tried to give Tuchel power in the window m. He kept saying he would help, then he would complain he didn’t want to do it, then he would be only marginal help: focusing his mind in on an extra defender and signing Aubamayang.
I think the breaking point really came when Tuchel told him we were fine in midfield, then demanded Gilmour be sold against Boehly’s objections, then outside parties telling Boehly we were in real trouble in midfield, and the team left scrambling.
I think the breaking point really came when Tuchel told him we were fine in midfield, then demanded Gilmour be sold against Boehly’s objections, then outside parties telling Boehly we were in real trouble in midfield, and the team left scrambling.
The modern manager is a player's bitch - he has to manage the dressing room and cater to their egos, if not they will stop playing for him and that's that. There has been a lot of volatility and too much politics going on at Chelsea, but that doesn't mean Tuchel is a bad coach all of a sudden.
They will get someone else who will cater to the players' egos and keep plodding along.
They will get someone else who will cater to the players' egos and keep plodding along.
Unbelievable
Tuchel is a terrific coach and he'll continue to show that at another club. I'm gutted that he's gone, if I'm honest. I hope he lands on his feet at another top club, preferably outside out of England and I can continue to root for his success.
Wow
We’ll that’s not fair. New Owners generally get to pick the people that lead their team. They could have gone a different direction right away. But instead they tried to give him nearly unlimited power in the window. He complained about it, and then he threw tantrums.
They are rebuilding the entire organization, from the scouting department on up. And I dont think their DoF candidates would want Tuchel either. They went out of their way to extend a hand and he kept biting it.
Forget results, if you watched us play: the negativity, the disorganization, the seeming lack of a coherent plan, the manic behavior … would YOU want him?
Tuchel has worn out his welcome nearly everywhere he’s been for similar reasons. Clearlake has a track record of extreme patience with their managers. But Tuchel isn’t THEIR manager. And the fact they still backed him SO much … they practically begged him to win them over. But Tuchel couldn’t help himself. He reverted to form and pouted over every tiny detail and wire down everyone around him mentally.
Maybe Chelsea under Roman, with Marina Granovskaia as the Director who oversaw transfers signed players based on a philosophy. But since Roman left. Boehly’s as owner is pretty much a dictator who wants to be in the limelight and make all the decisions regarding transfer and he reminds me of Woodward in that he just wants to sign the big names regardless of how it affects the team.
I think he’s the type of owner who wants subservient manager that doesn’t question or complain. No doubt after a season or two he’ll adapt and start to let football people handle football issues and take a step back.
But in Boehly there is a warning to United fans, the last thing we want is an owner like him. Because if someone like him comes with money and pays of the debt etc it will blind many to negative effects owners like him have. Excesses and interference in the football side will be forgiven as “well it’s his club”
What changed that made the team go from peak form to atrocious?
Strange after all that spend. Not sure about the players brought in either. Potter surely cannot leave during the season right?
He probably has his private jet
Players didn't like him. Management never likes him.
Tactical genius not street wise enough to properly navigate the hierarchy.
Tactical genius not street wise enough to properly navigate the hierarchy.
Funny how quickly things change. A year ago he was a big favourite on here.
You definitely weren't as good as City, or Liverpool tbh. Lower XG than both, higher XGA than both. Can't see how the table was lying.
A good read about what went wrong.
https://www.londonworld.com/sport/f...-lukaku-thomas-tuchel-chelsea-sacking-3834620
https://www.londonworld.com/sport/f...-lukaku-thomas-tuchel-chelsea-sacking-3834620
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This sacking is great news for us. As Chelsea will not find a better manager to replace him. And I can't see them being a threat for the foreseeable future now. The recent transfer window just gone, they picked players that specifically fit into Tuchel's system. Even Aubameyang said he was only going there for Tuchel.
They will bring in a new guy with a different system and these players will be square pegs in round holes. Surely, it would have been easier for the new owners to sort out their differences with Tuchel, instead of pressing the self destruct button.
If I was Ten Hag, Klopp or Conte, I would be delighted because Touchel is a top coach.
They will bring in a new guy with a different system and these players will be square pegs in round holes. Surely, it would have been easier for the new owners to sort out their differences with Tuchel, instead of pressing the self destruct button.
If I was Ten Hag, Klopp or Conte, I would be delighted because Touchel is a top coach.
Really surprised.
What those higher up is doing, nobody knows. This is just wierd, unless there was big argument behind doors.
What those higher up is doing, nobody knows. This is just wierd, unless there was big argument behind doors.
I still find it incredible that they wanted Ronaldo and Boehly fell out with the coach over it, when the guy was rejected by just about every major club in Europe this summer and started the season behind Elanga at United. Anyone who knew a dime about football knew that would be a terrible buy, cept the guy currently rebuilding Chelsea apparently.